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Why do some people think Canada didn't fight in WWI and WWII? And that the 911 hijackers came from Canada?

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StarCrasher said:
Why do some people (who just so happen to be mostly American*) think Canada didn't fight in WWI and WWII? Or any other war in the last 100 years? The only wars I can think of that Canada didn't fight alongside America was Vietnam and the second Iraq war, and we all know what clusterfucks those were, so can we really be blamed? There may have been a few other relatively minor military operations we also weren't involved in, but according to some statistics I've recently seen, Canada has participated in more UN peacekeeping missions than any other country.

Here's what somebody posted on Youtube one day ago. This is just an example, because he's certainly not the first person I've seen say this, and he certainly won't be the last...



Canada didn't fight WWI and hid during WWII, end of story, he says.

Sure, according to the CIA World Factbook, as of 2005 we have only devoted 1.1% of our GDP to our military, which is in 123rd place compared to the rest of the world, but that was in 2005. Since then the Conservatives have been in power and it's my understanding they have increases military spending substantially. According to the last statistics I've seen, we still manage to have the world's 13th most expensive military, while being only the 36th most populated. Should our military be in the top 20? Maybe it is, but even if it isn't, so what? With our population being as it is, that would require us more than pulling our own weight, would it not? And should military might even equal the amount of say a country should have? Seems like a might equals right type mentality.

I had family fight in both world wars. My uncle was murdered by German forces after being captures in Italy. My grandfather, a decorated war hero, who helped invade southern Italy, was nearly killed, and I never would have been born. My mother grew up on an army base in Germany during its post-war occupation which included Canadian forces. So any kind of assertion that Canada did fuck-all is quite offensive to me, and it seems to be a myth that just won't die.

Another commend on YouTube. It was in response to a comment on how Canada is mandated to arrest any war criminal on its soil...



Terrorists "continuously" come across our border into America? I know there has been some attempts of people with suspected terrorist ties trying to cross the border, and there was that one guy arrested who was planning an attack on New Years in Seattle, but is it continuous? A quick search on Google shows the myth that the 911 hijackers all came from Canada is still alive and well.

What's up with this ignorance and misinformation?

* That's not to say most Americans believe this. I'm just saying that out of most the people who believe this, in my personal experience, most of them happen to be American.
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speaking as someone that didn't know that until you said it, i didn't know because nobody said anything about it so i just assumed that canada wasn't into warring or whatever. i thought your country was a peaceloving, hippie friendly country but i was wrong.

i guess that it's safe to assume is that we didn't know because most of us aren't into reading about war history or whatever and the media doesn't mention it at all so we don't know.
 
Not saying that all Americans are like this but.....



(NB: I have met some wonderful Americans in JUB)
 
Op, don't believe every idiot who leaves comments on youtube. I've met many Americans who do know what the score is. Don't sweat it. There are people who just love to stir the pot. It's the internet, remember?
 
refujiunderground said:
speaking as someone that didn't know that until you said it, i didn't know because nobody said anything about it so i just assumed that canada wasn't into warring or whatever. i thought your country was a peaceloving, hippie friendly country but i was wrong.
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A few things you probably don't know:

- Canada is the only country in the world to beat the United States in a war. (War of 1812)
- The White House is white because it was painted to cover up the fire damage after Canada burned it up.
- Read about Vimy Ridge. WW1 was going badly for the Allies, mainly because of the Germans holding Vimy Ridge. The Allies failed to take Vimy and finally turned the task to Canada. Sir Arthur Currie, came up with a plan which the Germans didn't figure out until it was too late. He started with an artillery barrage well back from the ridge. The barrage stopped and then advance a hundred yards closer. Again, it stopped and started again another hundred yards closer. Why? Well, that's what the Germans were trying to figure out as well. The barrage did 2 things: It destroyed the many rows of barbed wire that littered No Man's Land, and it also hid the movements of the soldiers who were following closely behind. The Germans were taken by surprise and, after being bombarded by artillery, the survivors were faced by a vast army of foot soldiers. Vimy quickly fell and was held. This event turned the war and the German surrender followed soon after.
- A Canadian prime minister (before he became Prime Minister), Lester B. Pearson, created the United Nations Peacekeeping Force. In fact, Canada led the first Peacekeeping mission to the Suez Crisis to keep the peace after the Arabs and Israelis called a truce. The mission was very successful. Pearson won a Nobel Peace Prize for his successful efforts.
- Canada is remembered for the terrorists and for not going to war with Bush, but most people seem to forget that we opened our country and homes to stranded passengers who were forced to divert to Canada. They were fed without cost, they were given shelter free of charge, and they were helped to get back home.
- Canadian military is trained for war, but most of their efforts go to peacekeeping. After all, we invented it. That's probably why that guy thinks Canada is a "pussy nation". He'll probably never know what Canada has done for his freedoms.
 
And don't forget, when we didn't go to war with Bush, it's because he was a moron entering an illegal war. When Cretien refused, the U.S. secretly declared economic war on Canada and created SARS. What BS that was. And that whole Mad Cow fiasco? It was an American cow from Texas that was found to have it. Many "Mad Cows" have been found in the US since then but we didn't declare sanctions on the US. Go figure. And maybe we didn't partake in the Vietnam war, but we opened our doors to those conscientious objectors who fled up here. We gave them shelter and a new home.

Most of the Americans I know are all from the Washington DC area and are scared shitless of their own government. Most would give up a leg to immigrate up here.
 
both WWI and WWII Canada was at war more than 2 years before the US . Also you must consider relative size , population , there are more people in California than all of Canada and slightly fewer Texans , the US has roughly ten times the population .
 
Wow, stupid people in the world. Lots of them! Who knew?

But really, we don't learn that much about Canada or Mexico, nor any of our near neighbors, in American schools. I knew that Canada was involved in WWII simply because I read a book set in Canada during the War... one book. I couldn't tell you who the PM of Canada is right now, couldn't name a single one in history... and I'm one of the smart ones. What are the names of the provinces and territories of Canada? I know a few, BC and Quebec and Nova Scotia... and Alberta? But I couldn't tell you off the top of my head if Toronto is a city or a province, or what is up in the snowy part. I could probably name a handful of actors and musicians who come from Canada, but I couldn't even begin to guess at its historical figures.

I just never had it brought to my attention. We learn more about European history and Ancient history than anything else; up until you get to college, your American History is little more than transparent propaganda...I don't think I learned anything about the causes of our own Civil War beyond the question of slavery when I was in high school, and though we went into Roosevelt and Churchill and Hitler, we knew nothing about Hirohito or Tojo (actually, I still don't), Japan was just a sort of abstract concept of rather impersonal bombings; and I didn't hear a thing about Mussolini or Stalin except that they existed and were "bad guys" (though the latter was our ally in WWII, which was confusing since the communists were supposed to be straight-up Evil).

We're just woefully ignorant is all. We're more propagandized than the Soviets or Chinese ever were. More to be pitied than censured.
 
StarCrasher said:
Why do some people (who just so happen to be mostly American*) think Canada didn't fight in WWI and WWII? Or any other war in the last 100 years? The only wars I can think of that Canada didn't fight alongside America was Vietnam and the second Iraq war, and we all know what clusterfucks those were, so can we really be blamed? There may have been a few other relatively minor military operations we also weren't involved in, but according to some statistics I've recently seen, Canada has participated in more UN peacekeeping missions than any other country.

Here's what somebody posted on Youtube one day ago. This is just an example, because he's certainly not the first person I've seen say this, and he certainly won't be the last...



Canada didn't fight WWI and hid during WWII, end of story, he says.

Sure, according to the CIA World Factbook, as of 2005 we have only devoted 1.1% of our GDP to our military, which is in 123rd place compared to the rest of the world, but that was in 2005. Since then the Conservatives have been in power and it's my understanding they have increases military spending substantially. According to the last statistics I've seen, we still manage to have the world's 13th most expensive military, while being only the 36th most populated. Should our military be in the top 20? Maybe it is, but even if it isn't, so what? With our population being as it is, that would require us more than pulling our own weight, would it not? And should military might even equal the amount of say a country should have? Seems like a might equals right type mentality.

I had family fight in both world wars. My uncle was murdered by German forces after being captures in Italy. My grandfather, a decorated war hero, who helped invade southern Italy, was nearly killed, and I never would have been born. My mother grew up on an army base in Germany during its post-war occupation which included Canadian forces. So any kind of assertion that Canada did fuck-all is quite offensive to me, and it seems to be a myth that just won't die.

Another commend on YouTube. It was in response to a comment on how Canada is mandated to arrest any war criminal on its soil...



Terrorists "continuously" come across our border into America? I know there has been some attempts of people with suspected terrorist ties trying to cross the border, and there was that one guy arrested who was planning an attack on New Years in Seattle, but is it continuous? A quick search on Google shows the myth that the 911 hijackers all came from Canada is still alive and well.

What's up with this ignorance and misinformation?

* That's not to say most Americans believe this. I'm just saying that out of most the people who believe this, in my personal experience, most of them happen to be American.
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Relax,Francis..Youtube shouldn't be used as measure of a nations intellect.If that were the case,I'd ''KNOW'' that the only things Canadians care about are hunting,drinking,and hockey.Kinda ''rednecky'' if you ask me..

I'm sure you could find lots of younger Canadians that would be suprised to find that their armed forces have been with us,shoulder to shoulder in more fights than they hear about on Degrassi..
 
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Idiots.................
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Go do a "man on the street" interview (pick any urban spot in the U.S.) and randomly ask passers by how many provinces Canada has. Good luck! BTW, in 2008 we had a vice-presidential candidate who couldn't decide whether Africa was a continent or a country. #-o
 
^ I don't really see what the Shafia murders have to do with "lax immigration laws"... or 9/11 terrorists either. Aside from the obvious "muslim=terrorist/evil" mentality that seem to be pretty prominent these days.
 
^ I get the impression that control of the US southern border is greater than that of the north.

(My country has hopeless border control and generous welfare payments)
 
Is America the only country with "man in the street" interviews? Yeesh...

Most Americans don't know about Canada's history. Not a major surprise; we're the only people in the world expected to know everything about everyone, and if we don't we don't know anything about anyone else in the world. Sure, everyone knows about us; we're the competition. I bet if you asked the average Frenchman about Germany the majority of it will be stereotype and less about facts, and the two countries have a long history. Make it India, and it would most likely get worse, so get off your bleeding high horse and realize that Americans aren't idiots but we're not exactly walking encyclopedias like you apparently want us to be either.

That said: Canadians fought in WWI/WWII; everyone did. However, it doesn't mean that all contributions were equal. I'm not trying to trivialize ANY contributions, especially not in light of this weekend. All I'm saying is that compared to the Germany, Russia, England, America, Poland, even France, Canadians just didn't contribute as much; they showed up, did what they were told, went home. Nothing wrong with that, and the help is appreciated, but Canadians simply didn't exactly make a splash. Deal. Be a bleeding adult and realize that not everyone is going remember someone just for showing up.

Yeesh....

RG
 
^Okay, but I still have no idea how the Shafia murders are in any way relevant to this thread.

As far as US border control, I can't really speak to it, as I have yet to try and cross the US southern border. I do know however, that as a Canadian citizen, crossing the border back into Canada is a much quicker/easier process than crossing into the US.
 
RobinGoodfellow said:
Is America the only country with "man in the street" interviews? Yeesh...

Most Americans don't know about Canada's history. Not a major surprise; we're the only people in the world expected to know everything about everyone, and if we don't we don't know anything about anyone else in the world. Sure, everyone knows about us; we're the competition. I bet if you asked the average Frenchman about Germany the majority of it will be stereotype and less about facts, and the two countries have a long history. Make it India, and it would most likely get worse, so get off your bleeding high horse and realize that Americans aren't idiots but we're not exactly walking encyclopedias like you apparently want us to be either.

That said: Canadians fought in WWI/WWII; everyone did. However, it doesn't mean that all contributions were equal. I'm not trying to trivialize ANY contributions, especially not in light of this weekend. All I'm saying is that compared to the Germany, Russia, England, America, Poland, even France, Canadians just didn't contribute as much; they showed up, did what they were told, went home. Nothing wrong with that, and the help is appreciated, but Canadians simply didn't exactly make a splash. Deal. Be a bleeding adult and realize that not everyone is going remember someone just for showing up.

Yeesh....

RG
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I understand you may not be a walking Encyclopedia... but maybe look up Vimy Ridge in one. Better yet, scroll up and read the rest of this thread and learn about Vimy Ridge there. We did a lot more than just "show up" first of all, and we "showed up" long before the United States got involved... in both wars... so I'm not sure what you mean about "the help is appreciated". But you're right... not all contributions were equal... but Americans are far off if they think they made the biggest contribution.

But I wouldn't expect someone who refers to the United States as "the competition" to know anything about other countries' contributions to WWI/WWII. After all, nothing gets done without the US being there to fight the good fight, right??

Its actually amazing how much ignorance you managed to cram into that post.
 
It scary to see this amount of ignorance in a thread. Firstly canada is an amazing country, but to say the Battle of Vimy Ridge turned the tide of the world war is plain stupid. It was the entire battle on the Western front. And also I believe the person who commanded that particular battle was British.

Also how dare that person, who said Canada just showed up and did nothing, dare judge them. The USA entered both wars late and then only did so because they saw that the consequences of the allies losing the war would be have bad repucusions on the USA. The USA didn't enter the wars because they wanted to stop a tyrant and stop the mass extermination of millions. They entered to save their own asses! So don't think all high and might of yourselves Americans because you waited while millions died before stepping in and aiding the effort!
 
It's not America bashing, it's truth. It seems some, not all, Americans here feel the need to put other nations down while bigging up their own. I clarified one persons point of view in terms of how much the USA was involved in the first and second world war. People shouldn't hate on others. I don't. I like America, but some can be ignorant.
 
I'm sorry I cannot answer your question. I, for one, do know how much Canada gave during both World Wars.. I do not know why others don't know about it. I read one reply to your question... the person said 'well we did not hear about it in the media'.. holy cow.. of course not.. the media does not delve in to history.. History is what you should be taught in school or read from books.
History is a neglected subject in schools now days... Middle school, high school, even college.
Drives me crazy how that subject is not a requirement for a person to graduate from any of those institutions.
Canada has been an ally of the USA for well over one hundred years... we have a very secure border between our two countries.
I love Canada.. I wish all of the world was more like Canadians... well except for the crazy laws regarding 'printed hate speech'.
Still every country has it's bad laws.
One other thing... Canada has the most beautiful flag of all other countries (other than the USA).. I love the maple leaf symbol.
 
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