Why do they think they can get away with it?

[PrivateTimm]

Either that, or they are trying to distract the country with yet another bullshit scandal.You know, because with everything the country is facing,this is what most Americans care about..Joe Sestak,what did he know,and when did he know it?..Blah,blah,blah..

Nixon didn't resign because he authorized a break in at the Watergate Hotel, he didn't, he tried to cover up for the idiots that did.

It isn't the crime that gets you in trouble, it is the cover up.

A felony, is a felony.

And both sides trump up scandals because they are good fun. No one was ever indicted for outing Valerie Plame in that case. Why not? That was over a two and half year investigation, yet no one indicted for outing Plame? I ask again, why not?

 

[PrivateTimm]

Well let's not forget that it's the Republicans who "support the constitution."

Except where they don't like it and want to have amendments to it.

Seriously... if Republicans really gave a shit about the "rule of law" there would be no Patriot act, no Guantanamo Bay, no spying on American citizens, no foot-tapping Senators...

The Patriot Act passed 98-1 in the Senate and 357-66 in the House. I believe that is what is called, bi-partisanship.

The proper way to change the Constitution is TO amend it, how stupid is that comment? What isn't proper is to change the Constitution by judicial ukase, that is the liberal way. It is much easier to find five votes in the SCOTUS than to go through the legitimate amendment process.

What Constitutional amendment HAVE the "Republicans" passed by the way?

 

[JasunStrikesBack]

The Patriot Act passed 98-1 in the Senate and 357-66 in the House. I believe that is what is called, bi-partisanship.

Yes, and it's still unconstitutional.

What Constitutional amendment HAVE the "Republicans" passed by the way?

Remember when Dubya said they only way to protect the sanctity of marriage was a constitutional amendment? Admitting that gay people deserved equal rights under the current version, he suggested changing it to punish the fags.

No, they didn't REALLY mean it and they never did anything about it.

Or well.. yet.

 

[PrivateTimm]

Well let's not forget that it's the Republicans who "support the constitution."

Except where they don't like it and want to have amendments to it.

And we all know that Sarah Palin was offered as much money as anyone could scrape together to keep her from running. She'd be a shoe-in for the nomination and she'd lose the general election and take half the party with her (which seems to be happening right now, too).

Seriously... if Republicans really gave a shit about the "rule of law" there would be no Patriot act, no Guantanamo Bay, no spying on American citizens, no foot-tapping Senators...

Yes, and it's still unconstitutional.

Remember when Dubya said they only way to protect the sanctity of marriage was a constitutional amendment? Admitting that gay people deserved equal rights under the current version, he suggested changing it to punish the fags.

No, they didn't REALLY mean it and they never did anything about it.

Or well.. yet.

It has been upheld by Supreme Court so far and that wasn't what you said, look above, you said it was Republicans who supported the Patriot Act, it wasn't, it was every Senator, but one and 85% of the House. It was Democrats and Republicans and the heavily Democrat House and Senate just renewed the Patriot Act.

And I gather that your answer to the second question was that aren't any Republican amendments to the Constitution. The last proposed amendment to actually get out of Congress was 32 years ago and it was a Democrat power grab that failed.

Need I remind you that Prop 8 went down in flames in heavily Democrat California? Or that a Democrat signed the Defense of Marriage Act?

 

[JasunStrikesBack]

IAnd I gather that your answer to the second question was that aren't any Republican amendments to the Constitution.

Because they don't actually MEAN it when they say they want one, maybe?

Need I remind you that Prop 8 went down in flames in heavily Democrat California? Or that a Democrat signed the Defense of Marriage Act?

Need I remind you that "democrat" doesn't necessarily mean "liberal?"

And it hardly went down "in flames" when the margin was 2%.

 

[Kulindahr]

Hey, at least you got to give him credit for being a Republican that actually was in the military. He and McCain and that's about it.

Rush Limbaugh, John Boehner, Roy Blunt, Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney, Fred Thompson, Dick Cheney (in his own words, "had other priorities than military service"), Karl Rove, Dennis Hastert, Dick Armey, Tom DeLay ("So many minority youths had volunteered ... that there was literally no room for patriotic folks like myself."), John Ashcroft, Phil Gramm, Dan Quayle, Pat Buchanan, Ken Starr, Gary Bauer, Ted Nugent, Jeb Bush, Newt Gingrich did not serve.

Did any of them even try?
Some of them, I can't imagine them ever passing the physical -- and not because of what nixed me, either.

Some clarification. He did inaccurately claim that he received the award as an individual, and he admits that. However, his unit DID receive the award while he was a member of it. So, the award WAS received, it just wasn't received by him alone.

So it wasn't complete fabrication... just rather a bit of disrespect for the rest of his unit, I'd say.

Its also interesting to note that, when asked about it, many voters here in Chicago care less about an exaggeration of this sort than they do about an exaggeration about serving at all. (a la Blumenthal)

Maybe they see it like a guy on a team that won a championship, and despite the fact that there were a couple dozen other people, say, "I got a medal...."

Well let's not forget that it's the Republicans who "support the constitution."

Except where they don't like it and want to have amendments to it.

Aw, gee, they're just trying to fix that little oversight where the Framers forgot to put in that this is a 'Christian Nation'.

Seriously... if Republicans really gave a shit about the "rule of law" there would be no Patriot act, no Guantanamo Bay, no spying on American citizens, no foot-tapping Senators...

== == == ==

 

[Kulindahr]

What Constitutional amendment HAVE the "Republicans" passed by the way?

XIII, XIV, XV were Republican-driven, IIRC.

And the infamous XVI and XVIII.

 

[JasunStrikesBack]

XIII, XIV, XV were Republican-driven, IIRC.

And the infamous XVI and XVIII.

OH, I love having you around.

 

[Kulindahr]

Yes, and it's still unconstitutional.

Quite.

It has been upheld by Supreme Court so far and that wasn't what you said, look above, you said it was Republicans who supported the Patriot Act, it wasn't, it was every Senator, but one and 85% of the House. It was Democrats and Republicans and the heavily Democrat House and Senate just renewed the Patriot Act.

Yes, the same SCOTUS that decided it's okay for governments to use eminent domain to force people from their homes at crap prices so their business cronies can develop it at a hefty profit.

 

[Kulindahr]

OH, I love having you around.

Why, do Roman numerals turn you on?

 

[JasunStrikesBack]

Yes, the same SCOTUS that decided it's okay for governments to use eminent domain to force people from their homes at crap prices so their business cronies can develop it at a hefty profit.

and the same one that stopped the Florida recount so their friend's brat could run the country into the ground.

 

[T-Rexx]

Some clarification. He did inaccurately claim that he received the award as an individual, and he admits that. However, his unit DID receive the award while he was a member of it. So, the award WAS received, it just wasn't received by him alone.

Only a Republican would call that "clarification."

1) Kirk did not receive the "Intelligence Officer of the Year Award" as he claimed, of course. Nor did his unit.

2) The reward his unit received was the "Vice Admiral Rufus L. Taylor Award." It went to the "Intelligence Division Electronic Attack Wing" at Aviano, Italy. Kirk was stationed at Aviano in 1998. But the award was given to the unit in 2000, long after Kirk's departure.

3) The "Vice Admiral Rufus L. Taylor Award" is granted by the "National Military Intelligence Association." Sounds like a government organization? It's not. It's a private foundation, recognizing excellence in intelligence education.


I once lived in a city that won an award as "America's Cleanest and Safest City." That does not mean I can personally claim a Congressional Medal of Honor.

I can understand the confusion, however, since "Intelligence Officer of the Year Award" sounds almost exactly like "Admiral Rufus L. Taylor Award."

 

[JB3]

Only a Republican would call that "clarification."

1) Kirk did not receive the "Intelligence Officer of the Year Award" as he claimed, of course. Nor did his unit.

2) The reward his unit received was the "Vice Admiral Rufus L. Taylor Award." It went to the "Intelligence Division Electronic Attack Wing" at Aviano, Italy. Kirk was stationed at Aviano in 1998. But the award was given to the unit in 2000, long after Kirk's departure.

3) The "Vice Admiral Rufus L. Taylor Award" is granted by the "National Military Intelligence Association." Sounds like a government organization? It's not. It's a private foundation, recognizing excellence in intelligence education.


I once lived in a city that won an award as "America's Cleanest and Safest City." That does not mean I can personally claim a Congressional Medal of Honor.

I can understand the confusion, however, since "Intelligence Officer of the Year Award" sounds almost exactly like "Admiral Rufus L. Taylor Award."

They're the same award (or do your eyes not connect to your brain?).

 

[tweetymp]

Really? Not a single mention of the Democrat running for the seat?

Alexi Giannoulias, how much money has he and his family cost the FDIC and Taxpayers? I'll take an exaggeration over out and out bank fraud any day.

Only in Illinois politics can a Republican be railroaded for this when his Democratic opponent's corruption can be ignored.

For the record, I despise all politicians no matter their party. I am in no way defending Kirk. But if I were still an Illinois voter I would cast my ballot for Kirk over his opponent any day.

 

[NickCole]

They think they can get away with it because people get away with lying "in the age of the internet."

Even though the truth is on the Internet.

One of them is President.

For instance:

When residents in Illinois voiced outrage two years ago upon learning that the Exelon Corporation had not disclosed radioactive leaks at one of its nuclear plants, the state’s freshman senator, Barack Obama, took up their cause.

Mr. Obama scolded Exelon and federal regulators for inaction and introduced a bill to require all plant owners to notify state and local authorities immediately of even small leaks. He has boasted of it on the campaign trail, telling a crowd in Iowa in December that it was “the only nuclear legislation that I’ve passed.”

“I just did that last year,” he said, to murmurs of approval.

A close look at the path his legislation took tells a very different story. While he initially fought to advance his bill, even holding up a presidential nomination to try to force a hearing on it, Mr. Obama eventually rewrote it to reflect changes sought by Senate Republicans, Exelon and nuclear regulators. The new bill removed language mandating prompt reporting and simply offered guidance to regulators, whom it charged with addressing the issue of unreported leaks.

Those revisions propelled the bill through a crucial committee. But, contrary to Mr. Obama’s comments in Iowa, it ultimately died amid parliamentary wrangling in the full Senate. ...

Since 2003, executives and employees of Exelon, which is based in Illinois, have contributed at least $227,000 to Mr. Obama’s campaigns for the United States Senate and for president. Two top Exelon officials, Frank M. Clark, executive vice president, and John W. Rogers Jr., a director, are among his largest fund-raisers.

Another Obama donor, John W. Rowe, chairman of Exelon, is also chairman of the Nuclear Energy Institute, the nuclear power industry’s lobbying group, based in Washington. Exelon’s support for Mr. Obama far exceeds its support for any other presidential candidate. ...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/03/us/politics/03exelon.html?hp

Obama fails to do what he promises, boasts about passing legislation that never passed, flat out lies, and takes hundreds of thousands in campaign contributions from Exelon. And not only gets away with it, but wins election on the strength of promising Hope and Change, bringing transparency and integrity to Washington.

That's why people think they can get away with it even in the age of the Internet.

 

[JB3]

Really? Not a single mention of the Democrat running for the seat?

Alexi Giannoulias, how much money has he and his family cost the FDIC and Taxpayers? I'll take an exaggeration over out and out bank fraud any day.

Only in Illinois politics can a Republican be railroaded for this when his Democratic opponent's corruption can be ignored.

For the record, I despise all politicians no matter their party. I am in no way defending Kirk. But if I were still an Illinois voter I would cast my ballot for Kirk over his opponent any day.

Despite Kirk's problems, Giannoulias' problems run deeper. With Illinois' recent problems, voters won't give Kirk's problems a second look come November given Giannoulias'.

 

[MercuryJones]

And then there's the governor of Arizona, Jan Brewer, who said "Knowing that my father died fighting the Nazi regime in Germany, that I lost him when I was 11 because of that . . . and then to have them call me Hitler's daughter. It hurts. It's ugliness beyond anything I've ever experienced."

She said this, despite the fact that her father died ten years after WWI, and even during the war served as a civilian supervisor at a Nevada munitions depot.

 

[JasunStrikesBack]

I guess this is just swiftboating in reverse.

John Kerry was a war hero who re-enlisted voluntarily and the Republicans at the convention were all running around with band aids with purple hearts on them laughing about how much of a wuss he was and getting a bunch of broke and desperate guys who knew him in Vietnam to do that hatchet piece commercial about him.

People believe lies. Yes, Nick.... we know... blahblahblahblah Obamacare booboohoohoo Hillary. We're bored of hearing from you.

 

[CowboyBob]

Justifying Republican misdeeds by saying "well, look at what the Democrats do...." is not a defense.

 

[JB3]

Justifying Republican misdeeds by saying "well, look at what the Democrats do...." is not a defense.

Who's justifying them?