Why Does America Try Ghetto Up Classic Artists?

[KrisHawkXXX]

I will admit Mariah Carey is not what she used to be, it now seems that she has become so ghetto to try and appeal to some of my generation and the generation after me. She was very talented back in the day. Well she somewhat still is and her latest album Is one of my faves but its missing some of her talent from back in the day. I notice that when a black artist becomes big the American music industry butchers up all the success they have ever made little by little to suck money out of their career and most of the people that do this are the record labels.

I LOVE Leona Lewis and I will bet this forum any money that once she gets an even stronger base in America, they are gonna have her doing duets with all these tacky rappers/hip hop artists and then have her come off as some ghetto street trash. They are totally gonna fuck up every bit of talent that shines from her right now. They are doing it to Mariah Carey and others. They will continue to keep doing it! The labels don't care if its talent or not, they want money. Its all about SELL SELL SELL!!! Beyonce was heading down that path but she kept some of her control, so for that I greatly admire Beyonce she will always be a prize winner in MY book.

Not only do I find it offensive towards the history of music and hardcore music fans, but offensive to the black community. I've heard so many rappers complain how they grew up in a shitty life and how someone mistreated them and god knows what. Then they get famous and rap shit that has no meaning or shit just to get attention and after they complain how evil the world is, they do NOTHING about it. They don't give money back to the ghetto they grew up in or money to causes into helping minorities or troubled youth. They go home and count their money and don't care how their lyrics and "songs" influence young teens. I have nothing against rap there is some positive rap out there, just not what is mainstream right now on billboard. The rap today is heavily degrading to the black community which portrays them in music videos as thugs. Or the music videos can be degrading to women as well. Have any of you seen these women shaking their asses half naked in music videos?


Anyway, artists that become big and famous due to talent and hard work eventually get handed off to big producers who fuck up their career in the long run and control EVERY move they make and when they collapse, their record label won't be there for them.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

I don't think you know what ghetto means, nor how the industry works.

No Child Left Behind fail.

 

[evilest]

It happens in music regardless of the genre. Apparently it's more important to get your ass out in a video to sell the song than it is to make the song a good performance.

On the flipside, most Rock videos bore me now, because more and more it's about selling the 'we don't give a fuck' attitude. All bark and little bite.

 

[DracoBlack]

Mariah was my bish until she started doing this ghetto fabulous mess. I didn't buy her last album because it just didn't seem like Mariah to me... She shouldn't even got involved with any rappers even though I do like some of the remixes she has with certain rappers. I'm starting to wonder what happened to her whistle register, because ever since she's started messing with these rappers it's disappeared....

Beyonce has always been my girl. She's only worked with 4 rappers and I'm glad that it's only been 4 - Jay-Z, Big Boi, Ghostface Killah, and P.Diddy. I'm also glad she didn't limit her voice and change her style just to work with them. Some people may think she can't sing, but if they actually buy her albums and go past the singles, they'll be surprised.

As for Leona, it's already happening. Timbalnd is working with her and I'd giving her an elctro pop/urban sound... It's a shame because shell probably have to limit her voice so it doesn't outshine his beats. I also heard that Beyonce dropped Timbaland from her I Am... Sasha Fierce album because he wanted her to tone her voice down for some of his beats.

I also don't understand how people with no voice at all - Rihanna and Cassie - get record deals.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

She shouldn't even got involved with any rappers

Even though she's a fan of rap and hip-hop music? So you'd rather she make the music YOU like than the music SHE likes?

Not-a-real-fan fail.

I'm starting to wonder what happened to her whistle register, because ever since she's started messing with these rappers it's disappeared....

Most career vocalists lose their range as they get older, and she's has nodules since she was a teenager. Rapper have nothing to do with her whistle register.

Logic fail.

It's a shame because shell probably have to limit her voice so it doesn't outshine his beats.

Wrong. Music doesn't work like that.

You've-probably-never-taken-a-music-course-in-your-life fail.

I also heard that Beyonce dropped Timbaland from her I Am... Sasha Fierce album because he wanted her to tone her voice down for some of his beats.

I also heard you can get pregnant from kissing spiders.

Gossip fail.

Damn boy, how you fit all that fail in one post?

 

[MCsNo1Fn]

OK, so Beyonce hasn't worked with Sean Paul, or Trina...

And yeah, Mariah still has her whistle register, unless you've become deaf.

And also for the OP, Leona Lewis has already worked with rappers. Do you know who MIMS is? Did a remix to Bleeding Love...

And Mariah's always incorporated hip-hop into her music since the beginning. But if you bothered to do a little research, you'd have known that already.

 

[KrisHawkXXX]

OK, so Beyonce hasn't worked with Sean Paul, or Trina...

And yeah, Mariah still has her whistle register, unless you've become deaf.

And also for the OP, Leona Lewis has already worked with rappers. Do you know who MIMS is? Did a remix to Bleeding Love...

And Mariah's always incorporated hip-hop into her music since the beginning. But if you bothered to do a little research, you'd have known that already.

I hear mostly R&B... not so much hip-hop. Listen to the UK version of Spirit. The USA version included Misses Glass And Forgive Me which was different then the rest of the album. Jive was trying to appeal to American listeners.

I don't hate hip-hop. But I don't want Leona becoming some fake hip-hop/pop diva that changes just to sell an album or allows herself to be controlled by a big record label.

Do you know the difference between R&B and hip-hop hon?

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

I don't hate hip-hop. But I don't want Leona becoming some fake hip-hop/pop diva that changes just to sell an album or allows herself to be controlled by a big record label.

Who are you to say she's faking? Maybe like Mariah and a lot of the r&b community, she's also a fan of hip-hop. Just when I think you've run out of ways to NOT know what you're talking about.

 

[VaseFace808]

OK, so Beyonce hasn't worked with Sean Paul, or Trina...

Or Missy Elliot, 50 Cent, Lil Wayne, and Eminem...

 

[DracoBlack]

OK, so Beyonce hasn't worked with Sean Paul, or Trina...

And yeah, Mariah still has her whistle register, unless you've become deaf.

And also for the OP, Leona Lewis has already worked with rappers. Do you know who MIMS is? Did a remix to Bleeding Love...

And Mariah's always incorporated hip-hop into her music since the beginning. But if you bothered to do a little research, you'd have known that already.

That Irreplaceable remix with Trina wasn't official. Trina just added her self to the song just like Lil' Kim did with Naughty Girl and Kanye with Ego.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Or Missy Elliot, 50 Cent, Lil Wayne, and Eminem...

Or Slim Thug, Amil and Wyclef Jean...and she did the Soulja Boy dance on her tour as well.

 

[treyj56]

I've heard so many rappers complain how they grew up in a shitty life and how someone mistreated them and god knows what. Then they get famous and rap shit that has no meaning or shit just to get attention and after they complain how evil the world is, they do NOTHING about it. They don't give money back to the ghetto they grew up in or money to causes into helping minorities or troubled youth. They go home and count their money and don't care how their lyrics and "songs" influence young teens.

A lot of rappers actually do give back to their communities or some less fortunate ones. Just because you do not see them in the news as much as others, does not mean they do not give back. I feel as though most people now only focus on the negativity of rap music and not as much on music like rock.

 

[KrisHawkXXX]

Madonna got "ghetto" too buddy. Heard "Hard Candy"? Problem is her version of ghetto might have been the worst I've heard. But I don't think any 50-year-old white woman could pull that shit off.

i agree Hard Candy was a major disappointment.

 

[KrisHawkXXX]

I find it funny how certain people who'll remain nameless like to sit up and talk about what's "ghetto" and what's damaging to the black community when they A. never been to the so-called ghetto longer than five minutes a day in their life; B. can really give two craps about things that are REALLY damaging to the blcak community like underfunded overpopulated schools, gang violence and lack of adequate neighorhood grocery stores but still run their fucking mouths like they know everything about everything just b/c they talk to a couple of black folks around the way and watch the evening news on a regular but in reality still don't know jackshit and miss the damn point every single time. But insist time after time to make a horse's ass out of themselves for all to see and act like they're the world's renowned niggerologist on all things urban and impoverished but won't take that same energy and get their own act together in life and fly right.

Hmm, funny.

And I asked this question before to no avail, when the hell did Beyonce become a classic artist? Someone please help me out on that.

Actually People have different definitions of "Ghetto" Some people see it as a form of a lifestyle, some see it as a neighborhood, and some see it as a racially offensive stereotype. Originally a ghetto was a neighborhood where minorities would be crammed into small apartments with poor upkeep and high crime rates due to being neglected by the state, country, or town. One example is the Jewish ghettos during the time of German nazi rule.

Actually I lived in a suburb of Chicago called Chicago Heights which technically wasn't the ghetto... but it wasn't a nice town either. I got mugged 3 times as a kid. Now I went to a private grade school with the majority of the kids being white. We had a few black students in my class who actually were better mannered then the white kids, which is why i got along better with them then the whites who thought their shit didn't stink. If a white kid called a black kid ghetto, it was seen as a racially offensive term. In history blacks were repressed by society and lived in... ghettos. The crime rate would be high with theft rates due to the need for survival and lack of education, which education was kept from them for many generations. Some blacks could read or white but it was not as common as a white man being able to read and right. The oppression from the conservative right towards the black community that rooted back to southern slavery and Jim crow laws had a major effect for many generations. Things are getting better, and will continue to get better. People have fought hard so that ALL minorities can have an equal opportunity, but it all doesn't happen over night. To this day their is lack of funding to public schools which is indeed racism, and it does link back to history. I get furious when people say well all niggers are stupid. Why can't they get a job many white immigrants came to America and became rich. It's more then looking at the outside. Its in history. Many black Americans were taught to pretty much struggle for survival. You couldn't go to the police, sometimes the people out to get you WERE the police. You feel lower then shit because of society, so you steal. Its called SURVIVAL mode. Thank god we had many hard working liberals to start positive changes. And now look, we have a black president! Many years ago people thought that would never happen.

So when I say that SOME of today's rap is offensive to blacks... I mean it because it portrays "Ghetto" as a lifestyle. I have had black friends who consider being ghetto the same as low class and strive to be successful and head to college. Some view it as "cool" to the point that they are obsessed with the idea of being ghetto that they are misinformed of its history and meaning. There is positive rap, I am not attacking the genre as a whole. I find ALOT of rock offensive as well. Have you seen some of these cradle of filth videos? Devil worshipers chasing a teenage girl who is bleeding and screaming. There are worse songs out there that aren't rap, trust me I know. Alot of Madonna songs I feel kinda offended by because I ask myself was she thinking about selling a single or getting a message across.

Moe, You say I don't give two craps. Well You don't know me... and i DO. I know what else is going on i was mentioned just ONE of them.

Believe it or not, the stereotype of "Ghetto" doesn't just apply to blacks anymore. Look at Eminem and Gwen Stefani. If someone called me ghetto because I spoke slang due to a poor education, I don't see how I could see that as "cool." I'd be offended and outraged. I've been called ghetto because alot of my favorite music artists are black. Beyonce, Mariah, Leona, Donna Summer, Whitney, Janet, Diana ross... etc.

I don't see how that makes me ghetto. They are classy and have talent so that's why I have high regards for them.

Now when Donna Summer did her new album CRAYONS last year, I bought it and said if some stupid producer has her rapping BECAUSE she's black.. I will go find him and deck him in the face. I was pleased.... nothing of that sort. I think it's racially offensive that people see a new black artist today and think ok since they are black they must do rap. I don't see rap as black people music, that's a stereotype. Anybody can like what they want, and their skin color does NOT determine that

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

^You're still showing your lack of education. For many years black oppression came from the left, from democrats. Guess who was pro-desergration and pro-civil rights.

Wasn't the dems....

 

[KrisHawkXXX]

^You're still showing your lack of education. For many years black oppression came from the left, from democrats. Guess who was pro-desergration and pro-civil rights.

Wasn't the dems....

Technically in history the democrats were RIGHTS and republicans were LEFT. I already know that. Right is seen as conservative and left is seen as liberal. The republicans were once seen as the left. Actually it was the democratic RIGHT that oppressed the black minority back in history.

 

[kayman23]

Mariah was my bish until she started doing this ghetto fabulous mess. I didn't buy her last album because it just didn't seem like Mariah to me... She shouldn't even got involved with any rappers even though I do like some of the remixes she has with certain rappers. I'm starting to wonder what happened to her whistle register, because ever since she's started messing with these rappers it's disappeared....

Beyonce has always been my girl. She's only worked with 4 rappers and I'm glad that it's only been 4 - Jay-Z, Big Boi, Ghostface Killah, and P.Diddy. I'm also glad she didn't limit her voice and change her style just to work with them. Some people may think she can't sing, but if they actually buy her albums and go past the singles, they'll be surprised.

As for Leona, it's already happening. Timbalnd is working with her and I'd giving her an elctro pop/urban sound... It's a shame because shell probably have to limit her voice so it doesn't outshine his beats. I also heard that Beyonce dropped Timbaland from her I Am... Sasha Fierce album because he wanted her to tone her voice down for some of his beats.

I also don't understand how people with no voice at all - Rihanna and Cassie - get record deals.

Actually Beyonce has worked with more than 4 rappers. She also worked with T.I., Slim Thug, and Lil Wayne among others, so your "bish" isn't any different from the trend either.

 

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[zingerz]

Originally Posted by DracoBlack
It's a shame because shell probably have to limit her voice so it doesn't outshine his beats.

Wrong. Music doesn't work like that.

You've-probably-never-taken-a-music-course-in-your-life fail.

acutally, it does in pop music. sometimes in real music, but in pop music that's a YES. producers such as, timberland will want to make their music more commercial and appeal to the club scene, and you can't have real-music in a club... that's just a given. so, yes in POP music yes. in real music, sometimes.... they will hide the melody to make the harmonic support more active and noticeable especially if it's a really quirky// unique, and the insturments on that part provide a cool/unique sound then for sure. they will give the support line a soli.

 

[Jersey Domino]

Originally Posted by DracoBlack
It's a shame because shell probably have to limit her voice so it doesn't outshine his beats.

Wrong. Music doesn't work like that.

You've-probably-never-taken-a-music-course-in-your-life fail.

acutally, it does in pop music. sometimes in real music, but in pop music that's a YES. producers such as, timberland will want to make their music more commercial and appeal to the club scene, and you can't have real-music in a club... that's just a given. so, yes in POP music yes. in real music, sometimes.... they will hide the melody to make the harmonic support more active and noticeable especially if it's a really quirky// unique, and the insturments on that part provide a cool/unique sound then for sure. they will give the support line a soli.

Um....Pop music IS real music.