Why I won't be voting T Party or GOP for anything for a long time

[Kurn]

Besides the vast plain of wasted opportunity and shattered lives of the Bush Years which is fundamentally responsible for the present quagmire that, concerning which, I remind everyone of what Mr. Obama said on Inauguration Day, that we'd be painfully wading through this for a year or two, I need to state the reason that I will henceforth grant ZERO ballot-box co-operation to anyone who is Tea Party. It's the dark sayings I have heard about the President being assassinated if they don't get their way. The people who say things like this derive their anger from the perceptions that have been modeled and cultivated by the Tea Party ethos.

NO. You have left me behind permanently.

I have my disagreements about the fiscal soundness of the Health Care bill. I wish the Donkey Party wasn't in the pockets of the Unions and the Trial Lawyers so much. But we American progressives have better ways of dealing with these factors, ways much better than slandering the President and muttering about "coming down hard" on him.

Vote for who's smart. But don't reward the T Party movement. They have crossed the line.

A big part of this whole movement is that there are millions of Americans working too hard and not well enough informed to comprehend that a vast economy like America's is bound to be a mass of contradictory messes producing its share of absurdist gorgons. I have heard good ideas for reform from both parties. But if you talk about assassination or if you are leading people on to be that kind of hot-headed, then I have no choice but to give you the big NO.

Tea Party foolishness needs to be dealt with sympathetically and some of their suggestions definitely have merit. But it is unconscionable as an American to reward them on voting day.

 

[HornyHenry]

So true. I wouldnt vote for any of them, not even for dog-catcher.

 

[swerve]

I read Glenn Beck's novel, The Overton Window, a couple of months ago and one of the things that struck me, is that a lot of the people caught up within the movement truly believe that they are America's last hope...

I suspect that they would think it unconscionable to vote any other way than FOR the Tea Party Candidates...

Although I understand your sentiments in the OP, I don't like wrapping "patriotism" behind political parties or ideologies...

They are just as "American" as we are...

Oh -- and I always find it somewhat presumptuous when someone tells me how I SHOULD vote based on THEIR beliefs...

jmo...

 

[PrivateTimm]

Besides the vast plain of wasted opportunity and shattered lives of the Bush Years which is fundamentally responsible for the present quagmire that, concerning which, I remind everyone of what Mr. Obama said on Inauguration Day, that we'd be painfully wading through this for a year or two, I need to state the reason that I will henceforth grant ZERO ballot-box co-operation to anyone who is Tea Party. It's the dark sayings I have heard about the President being assassinated if they don't get their way. The people who say things like this derive their anger from the perceptions that have been modeled and cultivated by the Tea Party ethos.

I have my disagreements about the fiscal soundness of the Health Care bill. I wish the Donkey Party wasn't in the pockets of the Unions and the Trial Lawyers so much. But we American progressives have better ways of dealing with these factors, ways much better than slandering the President and muttering about "coming down hard" on him.

Vote for who's smart. But don't reward the T Party movement. They have crossed the line.

The country was on a decent heading until 2007 when Nancy Pelosi took over the House and Reid the Senate. Before that we had a lot of bipartisan cooperation and bipartisan bills. Once the Democrats took control they ended the cooperation and buried any bill that might have helped the country and in turn, Republicans in the 2008 elections. It was classic partisanship over the interests of the country.

And have you forgotten all the hate and slander directed at President Bush? Check this link and refresh your memory.

http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621

Here are a couple as reminders.

Were those not over the line? Did you withhold your vote from Democrats in 2008 based on these and more?

 

[KTheLibra]

I'm afraid the Tea Party and the GOP are one and the same now, good sir.

 

[chance1]

Besides the vast plain of wasted opportunity and shattered lives of the Bush Years which is fundamentally responsible for the present quagmire that, concerning which, I remind everyone of what Mr. Obama said on Inauguration Day, that we'd be painfully wading through this for a year or two, I need to state the reason that I will henceforth grant ZERO ballot-box co-operation to anyone who is Tea Party. It's the dark sayings I have heard about the President being assassinated if they don't get their way. The people who say things like this derive their anger from the perceptions that have been modeled and cultivated by the Tea Party ethos.

NO. You have left me behind permanently.

I have my disagreements about the fiscal soundness of the Health Care bill. I wish the Donkey Party wasn't in the pockets of the Unions and the Trial Lawyers so much. But we American progressives have better ways of dealing with these factors, ways much better than slandering the President and muttering about "coming down hard" on him.

Vote for who's smart. But don't reward the T Party movement. They have crossed the line.

A big part of this whole movement is that there are millions of Americans working too hard and not well enough informed to comprehend that a vast economy like America's is bound to be a mass of contradictory messes producing its share of absurdist gorgons. I have heard good ideas for reform from both parties. But if you talk about assassination or if you are leading people on to be that kind of hot-headed, then I have no choice but to give you the big NO.

Tea Party foolishness needs to be dealt with sympathetically and some of their suggestions definitely have merit. But it is unconscionable as an American to reward them on voting day.

for sure there are tea party members who are not in sync with what I believe to be the right direction for the country

in ALL political movements you have fringe elements

as for Pres. Obama being assassinated ........ that would be the fringe.

Pres. Bush went thru the same thing - and frankly MSNBC on a primetime nightly basis mocked him openly - showing no respect for the office - i don't hear anyone talking about them doing the wrong thing or disavowing them

IMO, the basic tea party movement is libertarian in nature - less govt., less taxes - which is understandable given Pres. Obama's work in health care and stimulus spending and looking to repeal the bush tax cuts - it's an honest disagreement and repudiation of the president

that's how it works

some people support you - some don't

the majority wins

carl palladino scares me for sue
christine o'donnell seems over her head - i agree

but as a "rule" ........... i don't buy it

 

[Kulindahr]

Oh -- and I always find it somewhat presumptuous when someone tells me how I SHOULD vote based on THEIR beliefs...

jmo...

Yeah, right -- you expect me to think that, if a hot young dancer at the Silverado said you should vote Reform because that party would abolish the law that kept him up on the stage and you below when he believed he'd like to rip off his Hanes, tuck them in his teeth, and roll into your arms?

 

[swerve]

Yeah, right -- you expect me to think that, if a hot young dancer at the Silverado said you should vote Reform because that party would abolish the law that kept him up on the stage and you below when he believed he'd like to rip off his Hanes, tuck them in his teeth, and roll into your arms?

Hey!!!

YOU are the one that spent the night with one of the dancers -- not ME...

Sorry if I missed the point of your post -- I was distracted...

 

[Kulindahr]

Hey!!!

YOU are the one that spent the night with one of the dancers -- not ME...

Sorry if I missed the point of your post -- I was distracted...

I did?

Which one?

 

[swerve]

I did?

Which one?

My mistake == maybe that was khulindar...

I won't give the strippers name out here on CE&P because that just might "Spike" all of your credibility...

 

[Kurn]

for sure there are tea party members who are not in sync with what I believe to be the right direction for the country

in ALL political movements you have fringe elements

as for Pres. Obama being assassinated ........ that would be the fringe.

Pres. Bush went thru the same thing - and frankly MSNBC on a primetime nightly basis mocked him openly - showing no respect for the office - i don't hear anyone talking about them doing the wrong thing or disavowing them

IMO, the basic tea party movement is libertarian in nature - less govt., less taxes - which is understandable given Pres. Obama's work in health care and stimulus spending and looking to repeal the bush tax cuts - it's an honest disagreement and repudiation of the president

that's how it works

some people support you - some don't

the majority wins

carl palladino scares me for sue
christine o'donnell seems over her head - i agree

but as a "rule" ........... i don't buy it

In reply, Chance, also, particularly, to Private Timm, never once did I hear about assassinating President Bush. Firing squad? I did hear that. Prison time? I did hear that. Fringe, yes; and more than just fringe: Among other factors, they were under the impression that the Iraq fiasco was let loose under false pretenses by a president with armageddonist/hegemonist motivations of some kind. I actually understand the particular tactical motivations that he really had and consider them unwise. Besides permanently removing more than 5,000 American personnel from the living and many more thousands from the undisabled and besides touching off a civil war that has meant many tens of thousands of civilian deaths and casualties---quite an opening for Liability litigation in other words, I'd say--the former president's "strong(?) foreign policy with the GOP label all over it" has sent almost a dozen medium-sized military-industrial powers deeply cogitating about how to deal with "US imperialism" in the future. In other words, the GOP decade, besides the Iraq fiasco, brings us challenges in the near future that none of the smiling candidates will want to put in your face. And you want them to return to controlling the Pentagon?

On the bright side, the Other Powers, also have their seas of not-so-blissfully ignorant masses. And it is really ignorance that is the other preventable monster, besides hunger and over-population that stalks us human creatures.

The red tide that is coming up against business-as-usual might not be a bad thing since, for one thing, Obama probably saw it coming since well before Inauguration Day and IF the teapartiers can be learned away from some of their more blatantly ignorant affectations--things might even come out well.

The political truth is always somewhere in the middle. When you guarantee progress for all or nearly all -- that's in the center, nowhere else--then you create lasting progress. Something, in other words, that honors the troops that the GOP, by the small-town ignorance they now glory in, so dishonorably sent to Iraq.

 

[MercuryJones]

Were those not over the line? Did you withhold your vote from Democrats in 2008 based on these and more?

That's the fringe. The difference is the Right runs their fringe for office.

 

[Kulindahr]

My mistake == maybe that was khulindar...

I won't give the strippers name out here on CE&P because that just might "Spike" all of your credibility...

Misspell my name.......

But you triggered memory. I'd stopped thinking of him as a dancer; we did more than dance/drool together -- like dancing together, games of pool, just chilling.

Haven't seen him in a while.

 

[JB3]

In reply, Chance, also, particularly, to Private Timm, never once did I hear about assassinating President Bush. .

Then you weren't paying attention. The fringe on the left wished him dead (and hypothesized about assassination) on a regular basis. Did you also miss the film about a Bush assassination?

 

[bike10]

Years ago I use to proud to call myself a Republican. The last time vote for Republican candidate for national office was Ford in 1976. In 1980 vote for Jonh Anderson the independent candidate.

By then the GOP God's Only Party was now the party of the Religous Right with late Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson as the new prophets of the GOP.

The party has no vision of the future but vision of the past. Today they are now party of Fox New, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Couter and yes Sister Sarah Palin.

 

[CowboyBob]

Years ago I use to proud to call myself a Republican. The last time vote for Republican candidate for national office was Ford in 1976. In 1980 vote for Jonh Anderson the independent candidate.

By then the GOP God's Only Party was now the party of the Religous Right with late Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson as the new prophets of the GOP.

The party has no vision of the future but vision of the past. Today they are now party of Fox New, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Couter and yes Sister Sarah Palin.

bike, you're right. The 2010 edition of the Republican party is NOTHING like the Republican party of the 1950's - 1970's. It was raped and pillaged by Ronald Reagan and the right wing extremists, Christian conservatives, greedy millionaires and other assorted criminals. Joseph McCarthy, a right-wing Republican, was shamed with his communist demagoguery in the 1950's and died an alcoholic, but now demagogues like that are celebrated. The Republicans discovered you can gain power and make a fast buck scaring people. It's too bad that some people are so stupid to fall for that.

 

[BostonPirate]

the teabaggers are a bunch of pathetic losers. They had their first protests against taxes as they were recieving the lowest taxes in 60 years.

Ms Angle even said that the teabaggers were just using the republicans because they were the easiest to take advantage of.

And if anyone has even a bit of democratic leanings in his past as a teabagger candidate, they are imediately accused of being a phony and a plant.

the whole thing is a joke and the victim of the joke is the republican party.

The Baggers have cost them taking back any house of the congress in the next month

what a laugh