Why is it that the Jews claim Anti-Semitism...

[kyless85]

I know this should be 2 separate topics, but they're connected, so i'll talk about it here. Why is it that everytime someone criticizes Israel for their atrocities, they're called anti-Semitic. It just pisses me off how they play victims, when they're not. Don't get me wrong i'm part Jew, and I know they've been through a lot but still, they're wrong, and I hate it when ignorant people criticize other racial groups, but as soon as I mention the Jews i'm frowned upon, I hate that double standard. Even when Mel Gibson made the Passion of the Christ the Jews were infuriated, screaming Anti-Semitism. It's history!

And the other part of my post, it's the same with black people. They even have the Black Entertainment Television Awards, the whole country would be up in arms if there was the White Entertainment Television Awards. Where's the equity? Things have changed, and whatever these groups have been through in the past, I respect and I understand, but still they shouldn't get a free pass. I'm not trying to be rude, i'm just being objective, it's perfectly Ok. for people to criticize the Chinese, the Mexicans, the Russians, Canada, or racial groups like the arabs, hispanics and asians, but as soon as somebody touches one of these groups (jews and blacks) they're anti-semitic or racist, it's just wrong to me.

Fuck political correctness!

 

[TygreBryte]

 

[Alpha1851]

Fuck political correctness!

You tell 'em fag.

 

[crzyrazn]

I agree with you, however, only in the scope of American "political correctness." It seems I'm not the only one attentive to the Isaeli-Gaza Offensive, and the sheer arrogance in which Israel dismisses humanitarian protections. Whilst the other UN nations have criticized Israel, the United States has decided to remain a silent ally on side of Israel, and its indiscretions. If the roles here had been reversed with Pakistan and Israel, the United States would have sought sanctions against Pakistan immediately. But because of the importance of our alliance with Israel in the Middle East we dare not let our tongues disparage Israeli interests. Israel is becoming to cocky in the Middle East with American support. And America asks itself why the Middle East is hostile to the West.

I really do not have a problem with racism. Just because someone is black does not mean they are entitled to privileges afforded them because of slavery. This is the 21st century, slavery was 150 years ago, America needs to move on. Black people enjoy the same freedoms as everyone else. Unless there is concrete evidence to support claims of modern racism, I disregard calls of racism.

 

[The_Reaper]

^^^ I think by atrocities he means taking land areas in the Seven Day War, and refusing to return it to the legally owning countries despite international agreement that Israel doesn't own the land they've captured.

The conflict in Israel is a very complex issue. I'm by no means an expert, but both sides in the conflict do have very real qualms and complaints to be made.

To simply take one side, because you don't want to be labeled as Anti- which ever side, is sort of the cowards way out.

But then again, both sides have added aggression and hostility to the problem. Neither side if perfectly innocent here, and it's ignorant to claim otherwise. However, their actions (on both sides) are not the way to go about solving this.

Violence, and its escalating forms, rarely solve problems. (Some people would argue WWII couldn't have been solved diplomatically, and other conflicts have the same standard attached, which argue that violence CAN be used in some means to prevent further problems.) Both sides need to be able to reach a ceasefire, and then be able to reasonably address the issues at hand.

Israel does need to return the land it's illegally held for years, but Palestinians and other groups in the area must also acknowledge Israel's right to exist and continue to allow it to exist where their land was initially given.

 

[kallipolis]

Such matters are not as black, or white as the OP appears to invite us to believe.

The issue is not political correctness, but perspective according to where we are sitting.

I believe that some people are able to balance the equation, by thinking in an objective manner that attempts to understand, and reconcile the apparent differences that exist, say between the Israeli Jew, and the Palestinian.

Such objective reasoning cannot be realised when offering conclusions that support one view of life, over another. Either we reason without prejudice, or we assume a partisan position. The OP has clearly demonstrated a partisanship that declares his prejudices.

 

[Alpha1851]

RELIGION​

Everyone wins except the jews and the gays​

Innit it amazing that just about everything can be blamed on religion. Religion is to blame for the conflicts in Israel, for the existence of politically correct language, and for the existence of BET when there's no WET. Damn you Jesus! Religion strikes again.

 

[puka-pride]

people are stupid

you are stupid

I am stupid

they are stupid

and it doens't matter how much schooling someone gets... in the end I bet they are stupid

and stupid people do stupid things like fight endlessly when they only want peace

so just smile and nod while they kill eachother cus no one is smart enough to stop them

on a side note

isn't it funny how the muslims and jewish that are fighting over their holy land worship the same god... and that same god said to not kill other people.. and to live happily and peacefully with your neighbours... and that same god said hey... this land belongs to both groups...

and yet.. no one stops to think.. hye maybe that god they speak of wanted them to live peacefully TOGETHER on that land...

god forbid

 

[kallipolis]

As has crzyrazn with his "concrete evidence" clause. Prejudice isn't always easy to prove. 50 years from now when discrimination against gays is illegal, it will still happen in discreet manners that have no "concrete evidence." When it's illegal to fire gays cuz they're gay, a distraction reason will be provided.

No good can come from taking a concrete position and sticking to it, no matter what, refusing to budge or accept variables.

For that matter, I agree with the OP on one hand, but sometimes the problem isn't with the Jew or the black, rather with the person who assumes that they must censor themselves. I'm a light-hearted, easy-going guy but for some reason people feel the need to offer huge disclaimers whenever they say a sentence with the word "black" in it. "I'm not racist. I don't mean any offense. Don't take this the wrong way but....." It's ridiculous and unnecessary, the assumption is that if they say something to upset me I'm going to go on a rampage. I've seen white people tell "white people" jokes to their white friends and there's never any disclaimers or assumptions that the white person will be uber-sensitive about it.

Perhaps the problem is that you censor yourself because you make assumptions about how a Jewish or black person would respond, you assume they're ultra-sensitive and enjoy playing the victim role. Depending on the situation you could either be right, or you could be acting out a prejudice.

I agree that some people attempt to avoid creating unnecessary rancour, which should be appreciated for its added value to creative discussion. I also note that some will always qualify their partisanship by either, being part Jewish, or having a best friend who is black skinned.

It is always wise to address such controversial matters in a diplomatic manner, despite there being an odour of hypocrisy, masquerading as discrete good manners.

But of course I emphasis that such bitterly, controversial matters such as racism, and the Israeli Jew/Palestinian dispute should be addressed clearly, with either a well nuanced partisan view, or objective reasoning that attempts to reconcile the position of both sides to such a dispute.

 

[kallipolis]

people are stupid

you are stupid

I am stupid

they are stupid

and it doens't matter how much schooling someone gets... in the end I bet they are stupid

and stupid people do stupid things like fight endlessly when they only want peace

so just smile and nod while they kill eachother cus no one is smart enough to stop them

on a side note

isn't it funny how the muslims and jewish that are fighting over their holy land worship the same god... and that same god said to not kill other people.. and to live happily and peacefully with your neighbours... and that same god said hey... this land belongs to both groups...

and yet.. no one stops to think.. hye maybe that god they speak of wanted them to live peacefully TOGETHER on that land...

god forbid

This does not make a supportive case for stupidity, but merely recognises that stupidity is part and parcel of human frailty. There also needs to be a willingness to raise our self out of stupid actions and into a position where we raise our head out of the sand sufficiently to reach a compromise, that leads us to a modus vivendi.

 

[kallipolis]

Innit it amazing that just about everything can be blamed on religion. Religion is to blame for the conflicts in Israel, for the existence of politically correct language, and for the existence of BET when there's no WET. Damn you Jesus! Religion strikes again.

The Israel/Palestinian dispute is about land, and natural resources - water.

Jews and Muslims have long lived in peace, alongside one another, until the fall of the Ottoman territories in the Middle East (1917). Of course the Ottoman Turks made sure everyone knew who was the boss. And they were also Muslims.

 

[kallipolis]

That's my favorite defense; "I'm not racist, I have a black friend! I'm not an anti-Semite, my cousins girlfriend is Jewish and I tolerate her as much as I can."

I think sometimes people are just cowards and use 'political correctness' as an excuse because they're afraid to say what they really mean.

I am willing to believe that such defensiveness is offered to avoid unnecessary tension, and provide some room for discussion. Fear is obviously present but does not necessarily confirm that the author is a racist, or trouble maker.

 

[TygreBryte]

 

[kallipolis]

Furthermore, sometimes "I can't say what I want cuz of political correctness" is a euphemism for "I hate Jews/blacks but I can't say that cuz my prejudice would be exposed so instead of proclaiming how much I hate them I'll just say how it's annoying that I can't say what I want about them. No harm, no foul."

There is some truth in your words, but I also believe, that it is always wise not to read into another's words, our own prejudices. I avoid presuming the worst, of my neighbour, despite inwardly understanding his real feelings. Diplomatic wording can create an atmosphere that is conducive to better understanding between differing parties. Whereas plain speaking can destroy the very thought of reconciling with ones neighbour. We need to encourage our emotional feelings to remain silent, when there is much at stake.

 

[Alpha1851]

That's my favorite defense; "I'm not racist, I have a black friend! I'm not an anti-Semite, my cousins girlfriend is Jewish and I tolerate her as much as I can."

I think sometimes people are just cowards and use 'political correctness' as an excuse because they're afraid to say what they really mean.

I think some folks pretend to wave the truthful, honest flag as an excuse to spew their hatred. Anti-politically correctness is used to masquerade racism, ignorance, and prejudice. Are these folks just being honest and speaking the truth, or are they mere bigots pretending to free us all from the chains of political correctness.

In my opinion, the OP is describing scenarios where folks are just exercising their First Amnd. rights. The Jews are free to complain, to rally, to protest, and to fuss (and not all Jewish felt that way....). Some Atheists groups protested the film as well. Their stance was that the film was being called "historical" instead of "fantasy." And don't forget that some Catholic folks protested when the Da Vinci Code came out. These guys are just exercising their rights. The right to speak out, to campaign, to rally, whatever. Don't we all do this when we disagree w/ something?

And the OP forgot to mention that there are plenty of television shows and whole networks that are targeted to specific groups. We have Lifetime television for women, Spike television for men, religious shows, all Spanish speaking shows, and on and on it goes. There's plenty of diversity out there.

And don't forget that there are "crazyess" in every group. The OP probably wouldn't want to be lumped in w/ Boy George, so why does he wish to lump all Jews, or all African Americans together.

 

[Alpha1851]

The Israel/Palestinian dispute is about land, and natural resources - water.

Jews and Muslims have long lived in peace, alongside one another, until the fall of the Ottoman territories in the Middle East (1917). Of course the Ottoman Turks made sure everyone knew who was the boss. And they were also Muslims.

No, you're wrong. It's about religion. All the worlds greatest conflicts are all about religion. You're just too blind to realize that. You religious people seem to have that problem.

 

[kallipolis]

No, you're wrong. It's about religion. All the worlds greatest conflicts are all about religion. You're just too blind to realize that. You religious people seem to have that problem.

A wise man said that highly troubled people have a common habit of blaming everything, and everybody else for their own self generated problems. Religion and particularly, Christianity and Islam is an easy victim for those seeking answers, for their anger related depressions.

 

[Lostlover]

I know this should be 2 separate topics, but they're connected, so i'll talk about it here. Why is it that everytime someone criticizes Israel for their atrocities, they're called anti-Semitic. It just pisses me off how they play victims, when they're not. Don't get me wrong i'm part Jew, and I know they've been through a lot but still, they're wrong, and I hate it when ignorant people criticize other racial groups, but as soon as I mention the Jews i'm frowned upon, I hate that double standard. Even when Mel Gibson made the Passion of the Christ the Jews were infuriated, screaming Anti-Semitism. It's history!

And the other part of my post, it's the same with black people. They even have the Black Entertainment Television Awards, the whole country would be up in arms if there was the White Entertainment Television Awards. Where's the equity? Things have changed, and whatever these groups have been through in the past, I respect and I understand, but still they shouldn't get a free pass. I'm not trying to be rude, i'm just being objective, it's perfectly Ok. for people to criticize the Chinese, the Mexicans, the Russians, Canada, or racial groups like the arabs, hispanics and asians, but as soon as somebody touches one of these groups (jews and blacks) they're anti-semitic or racist, it's just wrong to me.

Fuck political correctness!

All the fads in clothing.

Being a victim still never goes out of style.

PS: They do have W.E.T. (White Entertainment Channel aka The Country Music Channel).

 

[Apollo]

I agree with you, however, only in the scope of American "political correctness." It seems I'm not the only one attentive to the Isaeli-Gaza Offensive, and the sheer arrogance in which Israel dismisses humanitarian protections. Whilst the other UN nations have criticized Israel, the United States has decided to remain a silent ally on side of Israel, and its indiscretions. If the roles here had been reversed with Pakistan and Israel, the United States would have sought sanctions against Pakistan immediately. But because of the importance of our alliance with Israel in the Middle East we dare not let our tongues disparage Israeli interests. Israel is becoming to cocky in the Middle East with American support. And America asks itself why the Middle East is hostile to the West.

I really do not have a problem with racism. Just because someone is black does not mean they are entitled to privileges afforded them because of slavery. This is the 21st century, slavery was 150 years ago, America needs to move on. Black people enjoy the same freedoms as everyone else. Unless there is concrete evidence to support claims of modern racism, I disregard calls of racism.

If you were attentive to the Israel-Gaza problem, you would know Israel attacked in self defense from Hamas who had been firing rockets on them for four days before Israel responded. And Israel is not going to end this until they have squashed Hamas as they should. After awhile, I would get tired of people throughing bombs on my country.

As for the humanitarian effort, Israel is letting supplies and food in. When they bombed that Hamas leader, they even warned him it was coming, he stayed, and forced everyone else to stay as well.

 

[kyless85]

If you were attentive to the Israel-Gaza problem, you would know Israel attacked in self defense from Hamas who had been firing rockets on them for four days before Israel responded. And Israel is not going to end this until they have squashed Hamas as they should. After awhile, I would get tired of people throughing bombs on my country.

As for the humanitarian effort, Israel is letting supplies and food in. When they bombed that Hamas leader, they even warned him it was coming, he stayed, and forced everyone else to stay as well.

I think a lot of people are not aware of the real situation in the Israel-Gaza conflict. Yes, the palestinians were firing rockets into Israel, (98% less than before the cease-fire started). But, the only thing they were asking for was for Israel to lift the Gaza Strip blockade and to stop the raids into Gaza. Which they didn't. To this day 821 Palestinians (Mostly civilian, including 257 children) and 13 Israelis (all except 3 of these have been soldiers) have died in this conflict. Whoever fails to see this is a massacre is just stupid, or afraid of being called Anti-Semitic.