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Why is the pope so special??
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Popes have a history of supporting ideas that are manifestly false
For what it's worth, the Pope hasn't pronounced infallibly on gay issues and, as with women priests, contraception and even abortion, it wouldn't be as hard to rationalize a change in teaching as they would like you to believe.
MystikWizard
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More than anything, I simply view the Pope as a Spiritual Leader. Nothing more, really.
Aye, I think that about covers it man. Plus I'm hardly gonna take orders on sexual morality from a fuckin' celibate, am I?
KingofFaeries
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meh is all i have to say on the matter.
What is a Pope and what makes him so special??? I can't imagine these guys grow up wishing to be popes
And why are they called a "Pope" anyways.
It sounds like a tasty snack.
"Hey can you throw me a pope!"
..Cheddar Popes
...Sour cream and onion Popes
.....BBQ Popes
......
lmao!
too funny!
the "Pope" is like, for instance, the President of the LDS Church. They are the leaders of their religion and for the Pope he is the leader of the Catholic faith. The MAJOR difference is that in the LDS Faith the President is considered a living "Prophet" in the same sense of Moses, etc. The pope as far as I know it is NOT considered a Prophet but just the leader of the Roman Catholic faith.
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It is the red shoes that makes a man a pope.
http://www.counterfeitchic.com/Images/Pope_TimesLondon_6-26-08.jpg
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Once I became and adult I could never reconcile Jesus being poor and the pope being rich. Makes no sense. I also went to a jesuit school and while I met one example of true piousness, many others were corrupt assholes.
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Exactly, making us look bad. :[
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I respect that he's the figure of Christianity, but in truth, he's just another human being.
^ Austere private quarters or not, there's little justification for the accumulated wealth of the Vatican, which these days is run no differently from a major corporation. Jesus certainly didn't choose to live in a palace, insulated from reality.
"...carries the weight of the entire world on his shoulders." That may be true of Obama, but it's a meaningless Catholic-centric comment with respect to the Pope, certainly for 80% plus of the world which isn't Catholic.
The Pope is so special because he is supposedly the direct successor to St Peter and sometimes there are Popes who appear true to that tradition. But there's nothing special about ignorant homophobia, anti-antisemitism, enabling pedophile priests, etc., etc.
If one believes in this stuff, one has to accept it warts and all as part of the temporal Church missing the mark or whatever.
One can't simply gloss over it and pretend that rich is poor, arrogance is humility and that somehow all's well with the Papacy even when it's in obvious, and often self-admitted, error on so many issues.
Just my opinion, of course.
"...carries the weight of the entire world on his shoulders." That may be true of Obama, but it's a meaningless Catholic-centric comment with respect to the Pope, certainly for 80% plus of the world which isn't Catholic.
The Pope is so special because he is supposedly the direct successor to St Peter and sometimes there are Popes who appear true to that tradition. But there's nothing special about ignorant homophobia, anti-antisemitism, enabling pedophile priests, etc., etc.
If one believes in this stuff, one has to accept it warts and all as part of the temporal Church missing the mark or whatever.
One can't simply gloss over it and pretend that rich is poor, arrogance is humility and that somehow all's well with the Papacy even when it's in obvious, and often self-admitted, error on so many issues.
Just my opinion, of course.
^ I'm not saying don't respect the office of the Pope, if that's your thing, but don't romanticize it either.
Having faith doesn't mean losing sight of reason and one's own perceptions. Although the Pope personally may, or may not, be wealthy, there's simply no excuse for the material wealth of the Vatican and it's hard to see as anything Jesus would condone.
With millions dying from poverty and starvation in the world, there may, or may, not be some excuse to run showy art galleries to celebrate God's glory, but there's no reason to hoard and accumulate investment holdings and properties.
As for the Pope being a well respected world leader, I suspect that's overstating it. Unless you're a Catholic or concerned about Catholics, the truth is that he's largely an irrelevant ceremonial figure. The tragedy is that he could be a lot more and he isn't.
Reality? By their acts you can know them. Moving pedophile priest around parishes was an institutional problem that was either actively or passively condoned. Even to this day, the Papacy still has a tin ear on antisemitism. As for the hierarchy's intellectually ridiculous positions on gays, contraception, women priests, etc., the Papacy continues to focus on issues that had little if any priority for Jesus.
I thought the corporate maneuvering that the current Pope used as a Vatican insider to get elected was a disgrace and no different to what happens in many large institutions. Hardly, the will of God, if you lobby and load the School of Cardinals, who elect you. But that's another story.
One can take the shepherd and sheep thing too literally. If Catholics aren't pro-active and intellectually critical about the problems of the Papacy, the problems will get worse not better. That's alls I'm really saying.
Having faith doesn't mean losing sight of reason and one's own perceptions. Although the Pope personally may, or may not, be wealthy, there's simply no excuse for the material wealth of the Vatican and it's hard to see as anything Jesus would condone.
With millions dying from poverty and starvation in the world, there may, or may, not be some excuse to run showy art galleries to celebrate God's glory, but there's no reason to hoard and accumulate investment holdings and properties.
As for the Pope being a well respected world leader, I suspect that's overstating it. Unless you're a Catholic or concerned about Catholics, the truth is that he's largely an irrelevant ceremonial figure. The tragedy is that he could be a lot more and he isn't.
Reality? By their acts you can know them. Moving pedophile priest around parishes was an institutional problem that was either actively or passively condoned. Even to this day, the Papacy still has a tin ear on antisemitism. As for the hierarchy's intellectually ridiculous positions on gays, contraception, women priests, etc., the Papacy continues to focus on issues that had little if any priority for Jesus.
I thought the corporate maneuvering that the current Pope used as a Vatican insider to get elected was a disgrace and no different to what happens in many large institutions. Hardly, the will of God, if you lobby and load the School of Cardinals, who elect you. But that's another story.
One can take the shepherd and sheep thing too literally. If Catholics aren't pro-active and intellectually critical about the problems of the Papacy, the problems will get worse not better. That's alls I'm really saying.
The history of the Christian Church includes lots of stuff which is not anticipated or warranted by the charter of the Church; I refer, of course to the Gospel of God as we have it in Jesus the Christ. In Christ the divisions between ordinary people and clergy fly in the face of the equality of all persons as sinners saved by grace.
There have been Popes who gloried in power and did not hesitate to gather to the office financial, military, and social and economic power. Some have even suggested that they have been empowered to do those things which only God can do. While the ordinary people were largely illiterate they were more easily coerced into obedience to the Church whose head the Pope claimed to be. Of course, that is a falsehood on its face: Christ is the Lord of the Church in all of its manifestations and the Spirit of Christ is equally available to all who are members of Christ. Popes have often wanted to keep the people in ignorance of the "founding documents" (I mean the Old and New Testaments). When one reads one's Bible many of the things which the RCC under popes has kept from the ordinary believer can be very explosive. When I read "For freedom Christ has set you free" I understand that to mean that I should be very resistant to anyone who in any way would attempt to deprive me of that freedom won for me in Christ's once for all sacrifice of himself upon the Cross. Pope John XXIII among recent popes seems to have understood that reforms are needed in the RCC and seeing himself as the "servant of the servants of God" he was through Vatican II able to get some light to shine on the ways in which the RCC had strayed from its charter.
I am not a Roman Catholic, but the need I see for the RCC is the same need I see for the church to which I belong. The Pope and I and all others who claim the name of Christ need to open ourselves to the good news of God in Christ: we are in Christ a new creation and are all brothers and sisters in Christ, we are all servants of God and servants of one another. The love of God in Christ is shed abroad in us by the power of his Holy Spirit. We are all urged to be attentive to that Spirit, but we are warned to test the spirits that are abroad in the world and to reject those spirits which are not in accord with the Spirit of Christ.
I will think of the Pope as a brother in Christ and as long as the Pope does not presume to in some manner place himself in any way between Christ and me we can walk together in the joyous fellowship we share with God in Christ.
I write in the language of the Christian community in which I was reared. I feel myself called to seek the unity of the whole of the Church, the fellowship of all believers. Believe me, it is a great undertaking move one's speech and writing to the kind that celebrates our unity in Christ rather than our differences in our thinking about Christ.
There have been Popes who gloried in power and did not hesitate to gather to the office financial, military, and social and economic power. Some have even suggested that they have been empowered to do those things which only God can do. While the ordinary people were largely illiterate they were more easily coerced into obedience to the Church whose head the Pope claimed to be. Of course, that is a falsehood on its face: Christ is the Lord of the Church in all of its manifestations and the Spirit of Christ is equally available to all who are members of Christ. Popes have often wanted to keep the people in ignorance of the "founding documents" (I mean the Old and New Testaments). When one reads one's Bible many of the things which the RCC under popes has kept from the ordinary believer can be very explosive. When I read "For freedom Christ has set you free" I understand that to mean that I should be very resistant to anyone who in any way would attempt to deprive me of that freedom won for me in Christ's once for all sacrifice of himself upon the Cross. Pope John XXIII among recent popes seems to have understood that reforms are needed in the RCC and seeing himself as the "servant of the servants of God" he was through Vatican II able to get some light to shine on the ways in which the RCC had strayed from its charter.
I am not a Roman Catholic, but the need I see for the RCC is the same need I see for the church to which I belong. The Pope and I and all others who claim the name of Christ need to open ourselves to the good news of God in Christ: we are in Christ a new creation and are all brothers and sisters in Christ, we are all servants of God and servants of one another. The love of God in Christ is shed abroad in us by the power of his Holy Spirit. We are all urged to be attentive to that Spirit, but we are warned to test the spirits that are abroad in the world and to reject those spirits which are not in accord with the Spirit of Christ.
I will think of the Pope as a brother in Christ and as long as the Pope does not presume to in some manner place himself in any way between Christ and me we can walk together in the joyous fellowship we share with God in Christ.
I write in the language of the Christian community in which I was reared. I feel myself called to seek the unity of the whole of the Church, the fellowship of all believers. Believe me, it is a great undertaking move one's speech and writing to the kind that celebrates our unity in Christ rather than our differences in our thinking about Christ.