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Why shouldn't all education be free ??

Hey, why stop there?

Let's just give everyone the same amount of money for every job since.. you know... working is hard.
 
Why work if everything is given for free at someone else's expense? Why work harder or longer if the government confiscates it? Why invent or innovate if it is taken away in taxes?
 
Nothing is free, unless you were born with a silver spoon shoved up your ass.

As it is now in America we offer education to all from k-12th grades with certain limits on age, we don't have 30 year old student with 13 year olds.
We have many night school classes for adults.
The problem that I incurred when working was that many had a diploma, but lacked an education.
They couldn't read a ruler, had no knowledge of any thing but basic math, adding and subtracting.
I always wondered what they did and how they graduated, it was obvious that they had been pushed from grade to grade.

So, I would ask if we would have to lower the bar in the same fashion if we make college an entitlement.
 
Just stick with Education.
When you are going to school, you don't make any money and it is like going to work.
So free education is a fair deal (like working for free but its good for self and good for the country).
 
Just stick with Education.
When you are going to school, you don't make any money and it is like going to work.
So free education is a fair deal (like working for free but its good for self and good for the country).

You want people to have a "free education"? How about you pay for it? You are calling for everyone else to pay. Put your money where your mouth is and pay $40,000+ US per individual so they can have free education. Oh yeah, that is per year. And there are millions around the world wanting to go to college. So scrape up the $40,000,000,000,000. That should be enough for this year coming up. Anything left will be applied to the next year. But of course we'll need a larger sum for next year as there will be new students entering the gates as they graduate from high school.

Sadly, I have a feeling that estimate is quite low to cover every single individual wanting to attend college this Fall, but now you get an idea of the cost you are demanding the rest of us cough up so many of them can just drop out in the first semester.
 
Everyone can learn from books WITHOUT schools and university !!!

When I was in university back in the 70s, I took an abnormal psychology course. One of the professors who lectured in that course was an amazing man in his 80s. Whichever 'abnormal' behaviour he was giving a lecture on, he would give that lecture as if he were suffering from that abnormality. For instance, he would give a lecture on schizophrenia as a schizophrenic in its various forms and extremes. He lectured on manic depression as a manic depressive.

You can't get that from books.
 
When I was in university back in the 70s, I took an abnormal psychology course. One of the professors who lectured in that course was an amazing man in his 80s. Whichever 'abnormal' behaviour he was giving a lecture on, he would give that lecture as if he were suffering from that abnormality. For instance, he would give a lecture on schizophrenia as a schizophrenic in its various forms and extremes. He lectured on manic depression as a manic depressive.

You can't get that from books.

A lot of subjects are mostly self taught. Especially the scientific subjects.
Of course arts, language and hand skills you need a teacher.

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You want people to have a "free education"? How about you pay for it? You are calling for everyone else to pay. Put your money where your mouth is and pay $40,000+ US per individual so they can have free education. Oh yeah, that is per year. And there are millions around the world wanting to go to college. So scrape up the $40,000,000,000,000. That should be enough for this year coming up. Anything left will be applied to the next year. But of course we'll need a larger sum for next year as there will be new students entering the gates as they graduate from high school.

Sadly, I have a feeling that estimate is quite low to cover every single individual wanting to attend college this Fall, but now you get an idea of the cost you are demanding the rest of us cough up so many of them can just drop out in the first semester.

I'll just repeat, study is WORK !!!
 
A lot of subjects are mostly self taught. Especially the scientific subjects.
Of course arts, language and hand skills you need a teacher.

Then don't say than everybody can learn from books without schools or university. There are things you can't even learn from watching videos on YouTube.
 
Then don't say than everybody can learn from books without schools or university. There are things you can't even learn from watching videos on YouTube.

My housemate spend over 90% of his time study by himself .... thats Uni for you.
I'm sure all other students are similar.
 
I assume you're talking about public colleges and universities. I also assume you're not also proposing that room and board be free as well. As you may know, public higher education was largely free until the early sixties, when modest fees were introduced. Over the last fifty years the cost of higher education has increased quite beyond the rate of inflation, and fees have increased as well. Why? The reasons are oft-described, but not--at this time--easy to remedy:

1. The enormous increase in the size and remuneration of administrators and their supporting staff. A great deal of this comes from the need to comply with the ever-increasing burden of government regulations, mandates and threats, but much of it also comes from the assumed necessity to minister to the ever-enlarging panoply of perceived student needs. An office of Gender Equality was unimaginable in 1955, as were counselors to help students through the supposed rigors of campus life.

2. The enormous increase in the size and remuneration (at the professorial level) of faculty. At most schools, the number of hours that an individual professor teaches has declined considerably since the 60's at the same time as salaries have increased.

3. The proliferation of courses that are offered primarily to please a pressure group or satisfy a current fashion (various race-based studies programs, gender studies, film studies). They cost real money to teach and administer, and they take up space, leading to the need for more space, meaning new buildings.

4. A significant number of new programs in advanced science and engineering, programs that require not simply new buildings but sophisticated and ever-changing equipment within those buildings.

5. Competition for students. Lavish student unions, sports facilities, gymnasiums, dormitories. The list could go on. A climbing wall was as unimaginable as an office of Gender Equality in 1955.

6. Undisciplined faculty and students. Unless a student has a demanding part-time job, a four-year degree shouldn't take five years. Part lack of direction, part laziness and--too often--paucity of academic offerings because the faculty has decided it has better things to do than teach.

7. The ubiquity of easy student loans. More money = desire to find ways to spend more money

8. Finally, the tendency of organizations to expand, to seek more power and riches unless checked. Take a look at the expansion of nation-states, or the EU.

Were higher public education to revert back to its prior state when it was free, I'd be happy to support the idea that it be free again. Until then, I look to places like Hillsdale and to provide models for responsible higher education. Not the only models, but admirable ones.


https://www.hillsdale.edu/

https://www.berea.edu/
 
I'm all for that idea even though as of last year i paid off my many thousands of student loan debt i wouldn't mind if from this moment forward, all students, young and old, could be guaranteed a complete college education, i see it as an investment in our society. If other countries can do, so can the U.S of A.
 
we have to pay a lot of local school tax---a lot----for public education. So it's not free---and if you have kids going to the schools then I guess all the tax dollars are worth it. If you don't have or don't want kids and have to pay like I do---it sucks.:##:
 
we have to pay a lot of local school tax---a lot----for public education. So it's not free---and if you have kids going to the schools then I guess all the tax dollars are worth it. If you don't have or don't want kids and have to pay like I do---it sucks.:##:

If its free, there are rules how much the teachers and staff get paid.
Why are you paying for defense then even tho you are not using it ? Same thing with education.
 
Bernie Sanders almost became our president he wanted to make everything free! and hand outs for all with 15 dollar minimum wage.
 
If its free, there are rules how much the teachers and staff get paid.
And you limit the quality of the education until it becomes worth less than what the students are paying for it. :telstra:


Why are you paying for defense then even tho you are not using it ? Same thing with education.
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Um, no. Defense is used by all as it is the defense of the nation, education spending (as far as tuition - which is what we're talking about in this thread) is used only by those getting said education..... Those paying for it with their taxes get no benefit from it. They are forced to invest in the futures of others. They do not compare, any more than apples and oranges.

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All education IS free, or at least very low cost, isn't it? I mean not in developing nations like where I live (Morocco in winter, Utah in summer) but in all of the advanced societies that I know, education is virtually free. In my native Belgium my parents paid nothing up to high school, and university cost us about €500 euros a year. And I dare say I learned a lot more in my high school than the twats I see here in Utah...
 
All education IS free, or at least very low cost, isn't it?
Maybe you didn't see my post earlier that mentioned the tuition in the US being, on average, at least $40,000 in US dollars. To some of us that may seem low cost........

But to the average US citizen that is more than they earn for the full year. They ain't gonna be footin' the bill for one child, let alone more if they have them, for college. There are those who qualify for scholarships, which help, but with this economy those are becoming fewer. And fewer still end up with full scholarships.
 
Maybe you didn't see my post earlier that mentioned the tuition in the US being, on average, at least $40,000 in US dollars. To some of us that may seem low cost........

But to the average US citizen that is more than they earn for the full year. They ain't gonna be footin' the bill for one child, let alone more if they have them, for college. There are those who qualify for scholarships, which help, but with this economy those are becoming fewer. And fewer still end up with full scholarships.

US citizens becomes dumber and dumber because of the high cost of education.
Most of the scientists in the US are overseas born correct ?
 
In some countries, college is free but only if you get straight A´s or somewhere along those lines. Which makes kids focus on getting good grades instead of focusing on learning.

Yes, education should be free at least to some extent, like in some countries, where it is seen as an investment in the future of their society and where people understand how taxes work. I´ve seen way too many shitty teachers with way too big salaries. In the US it´s a whole different story, the education system works as a corporation, the worst kind, where the students still have to pay their studies many years after they graduated.
 
In some countries, college is free but only if you get straight A´s or somewhere along those lines. Which makes kids focus on getting good grades instead of focusing on learning.

As has been said many times, it still isn't free. Somebody is paying for it.
 
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