Why we are so screwed up in America.

[peeonme]

I think it is more failure of management than failure of the policy of how work gets done. No manager need to micromanage, but they do need to manage.

Some employees need micro managing. The guy that sits in the shit house for half an hours needs to be asked if he has a physical problem. The guy who shows up at the same time every day about 15 minutes late needs to be told to be on time.
The same rules should be applied to all. Most bosses don't give a shit if one guy does more than the others as long as the numbers look good. The guys that screw off the most are the first ones to bitch about pay.

 

[Telstra]

@gxds Why does it have to be the rare exception? We work to live, not live to work.

When my boss left on Thursday afternoon, he said he won't be back until until next year. He also said feel free to take the rest of the year off.

He was reiterating an unspoken rule in the company. After leaving on Thursday the 20th half of the people don't show up again until the 2nd. After Friday, almost nobody comes back until the 2nd.

This year I will have to finish some paperwork on my project to hand it over to someone else. I'm starting a new project on the 2nd. So, I'll be going in for a day or two this incoming week.

Do you not see how much more pleasant life is when you work to live and not livw to work?

Speaking for myself, i prefer not to work.
I only work for the income.

 

[peeonme]

Major reasons why we are screwed up in America.

Political parties for one. Americans are more in love with Capitalism then any other country. I’ve been to Mexico and the mentality is “I’ll help your family and you help mine.” We don’t have that type of thinking here.

Commercialism and having to have he latest and the greatest. Jimmy Carter even said the consumer obsession desensitizes people. He even told people with modern phones to wait 2-3 years after a phone comes out and to save your money wisely.

Being lazy is due to the disgusting food we eat (some additives have been BANNED in Europe but it’s still fed to US), the me me me right now “I HAVE TO HAVE IT NOW” mentality. Has nothing to do with social programs (god I hate when people blame disabled and poor people.)

Americans are the WORST at parenting. We let our kids have computers in their own rooms, we don’t put parental controls on their game consoles to BAN mature rated games which ALL parents should be doing. I recently called DCFS on a mom few months ago for letting her kids be exposed to certain games among pornography andshrugged it off. This kid at 9 years old told me he’s gonna steal a car and murder every officer when he grows up. What does she do? Buys him a toy gun to play GTA role play with his friends. THATS why games have ratings. DCFS came and put Child was put in the home of his grandparents.

When parents become half assed guardians, this is the end result. Some smoke around their children now! Fuck parents even encourage slang and incorrect grammar. Telling your child that your baby daddy is coming to pick you up? YOUR FATHER IS PICKING YOU UP. I’ve called DCFS on so many parents because this society is tainted by poor raising.

Ways to make a difference. When treating others REALLY think how your words and actions can make them feel. How will it affect heir lives? If you have children.. watch what your children are being exposed to. Kids are becoming DESENSITIZED.

Out of all of the idiotic forms or types of government and economics, a representative form of government with as much of a free market as possible work best. A free society has it's pitfalls, some will be lazy and be supported by others. I would prefer this to the government watching us to be sure that we don't commit parasitism.
I don't buy laziness as something that has to do with diet, nor do I believe that Americans are the worse parents. Personal responsibility, be it at work, raising children or raking leaves starts with an individual not shirking his duties.

 

[KrisGreen]

This thread is to is why we are so fucked as a nation. We Can agree to disagree on Americans being some of the worst parents in the world. My husband was a horrible parent, he even admits it. He was too nice and let his son spend hours on the computer online past midnight at the age of 14. Never joining school clubs or seeing friends. That’s the shit I’m talking about. I told my husband I didn’t feel bad when his own kids got taken (THAT I had nothing to do with.) His other son is a BIGGER issue. Never whacked his other kid (or the other one) robbing eveyone in the family and taking shit that didn’t even benefit him. Walking out at 3 in the morning and vandalizing shit because of the games he was playing. Hubby finally grew some balls and got the fucking belt after he took my rare PS2 compatible PS3 (I told my hubby that’s IT IM LEAVING) he realized him being a shitty parent would cause him to lose me. The belt whackings started to work and he stopped walking out at night, but the damage of waiting too long was already there. He’s been in a mental institution since.

Why we are fucked we need to look at childhood and up. Every experience that you’ve ever had, things you’ve seen, chemical imbalance, all contribute to your own flavor to the world. I’ve never hit another person in my life. I was kept from games like Mortal Kombat. I was playing it at the arcade and my ass got whooped red. I listened to her after that. I wasn’t allowed to watch the exorcist till I was 16. I had panic attacks and morbid nightmares, letting me be exposed to that would have made my mental state a mess. I thanked her for protecting me, because I would probably be a different person.

One of my brothers let his nephew be exposed to whatever, and he’s breaking into cars at 12 and has been to jail twice.

My other brother whoops his daughter and watches what she’s exposed to. He gives her a reward system to encourage good behavior and grades. She never talks back to any adult and is the most polite child you will ever meet! She’s 14 now and is close to my brother now. She’s not allowed to have a Facebook until she is 16.

Parents just don’t do that anymore. Kids don’t have personal “responsibility” as Sean hannity likes to say. Their brains aren’t fully developed, and it’s your job as a parent to recognize that fact and stop letting the internet raise them. Parents should know kids don’t have the same cognitive brain capacity.

Our media and even video games making money is so ingrained even to adults. Our toxic social life is now spreading to other countries if you think about it. Europeans have FAR more class then we do, but they have their issues like everyone. A lot of these vile things many of us are all guilty of, like leaving outside your home in your pajama bottoms.

On a positive note, there ARE many Americans who still cherish certain old values like having basic class. Taking your hat off when you enter a place of dining. “DooRags” people leave on and it’s so trashy. I always take my hat off as my grandparents taught me. Ive never used foul language except in the case of severe pain (like hitting your shin on the table.) I have those values because I remember why I got slapped across the face.

Out of all of the idiotic forms or types of government and economics, a representative form of government with as much of a free market as possible work best. A free society has it's pitfalls, some will be lazy and be supported by others. I would prefer this to the government watching us to be sure that we don't commit parasitism.
I don't buy laziness as something that has to do with diet, nor do I believe that Americans are the worse parents. Personal responsibility, be it at work, raising children or raking leaves starts with an individual not shirking his duties.

 

[NotHardUp1]

I think it is more failure of management than failure of the policy of how work gets done. No manager need to micromanage, but they do need to manage.

The policies really don't matter if the worker is not honest and works as he is paid to. If he is ok with sloth and falsehoods, no amount of policies will fix that.

 

[TickTockMan]

Some employees need micro managing. The guy that sits in the shit house for half an hours needs to be asked if he has a physical problem. The guy who shows up at the same time every day about 15 minutes late needs to be told to be on time.
The same rules should be applied to all. Most bosses don't give a shit if one guy does more than the others as long as the numbers look good. The guys that screw off the most are the first ones to bitch about pay.

I don't consider that micromanaging. I consider that managing. They are doing the basic duties of their job. I stand by what I wrote.

If you do not show up on time and ready to work almost 100% of the time then you should be out of a job if that is the way the job is set up.

 

[TickTockMan]

The policies really don't matter if the worker is not honest and works as he is paid to. If he is ok with sloth and falsehoods, no amount of policies will fix that.

I don't agree with that. You can, as a manager make someone feel as if they are needed and are special. That in turn will get them to be better workers. I have seen it and I have put it into practice myself.


Too many jobs and companies just want it all from you while giving as little as possible. All I am saying is give a little more and the employees will feel inspired to give more as well.

 

[peeonme]

This thread is to is why we are so fucked as a nation. We Can agree to disagree on Americans being some of the worst parents in the world. My husband was a horrible parent, he even admits it. He was too nice and let his son spend hours on the computer online past midnight at the age of 14. Never joining school clubs or seeing friends. That’s the shit I’m talking about. I told my husband I didn’t feel bad when his own kids got taken (THAT I had nothing to do with.) His other son is a BIGGER issue. Never whacked his other kid (or the other one) robbing eveyone in the family and taking shit that didn’t even benefit him. Walking out at 3 in the morning and vandalizing shit because of the games he was playing. Hubby finally grew some balls and got the fucking belt after he took my rare PS2 compatible PS3 (I told my hubby that’s IT IM LEAVING) he realized him being a shitty parent would cause him to lose me. The belt whackings started to work and he stopped walking out at night, but the damage of waiting too long was already there. He’s been in a mental institution since.

Why we are fucked we need to look at childhood and up. Every experience that you’ve ever had, things you’ve seen, chemical imbalance, all contribute to your own flavor to the world. I’ve never hit another person in my life. I was kept from games like Mortal Kombat. I was playing it at the arcade and my ass got whooped red. I listened to her after that. I wasn’t allowed to watch the exorcist till I was 16. I had panic attacks and morbid nightmares, letting me be exposed to that would have made my mental state a mess. I thanked her for protecting me, because I would probably be a different person.

One of my brothers let his nephew be exposed to whatever, and he’s breaking into cars at 12 and has been to jail twice.

My other brother whoops his daughter and watches what she’s exposed to. He gives her a reward system to encourage good behavior and grades. She never talks back to any adult and is the most polite child you will ever meet! She’s 14 now and is close to my brother now. She’s not allowed to have a Facebook until she is 16.

Parents just don’t do that anymore. Kids don’t have personal “responsibility” as Sean hannity likes to say. Their brains aren’t fully developed, and it’s your job as a parent to recognize that fact and stop letting the internet raise them. Parents should know kids don’t have the same cognitive brain capacity.

Our media and even video games making money is so ingrained even to adults. Our toxic social life is now spreading to other countries if you think about it. Europeans have FAR more class then we do, but they have their issues like everyone. A lot of these vile things many of us are all guilty of, like leaving outside your home in your pajama bottoms.

On a positive note, there ARE many Americans who still cherish certain old values like having basic class. Taking your hat off when you enter a place of dining. “DooRags” people leave on and it’s so trashy. I always take my hat off as my grandparents taught me. Ive never used foul language except in the case of severe pain (like hitting your shin on the table.) I have those values because I remember why I got slapped across the face.

How we turn out as we do is a puzzle to me. It's convenient to blame ourselves on our parents. "I use drugs because of mom", "I drink because of dad", "I don't work because my parents didn't work". I came from an abusive home, sexually, physically, verbally and emotionally. It resulted in me going to a reform school for a year and a half. I finished the 5th grade, failed the 6th twice, never went to the 7th, saw 3 or 4 months of the 8th and finished the 9th. I supported both myself and my mother at the age of 16.I should add that the public school claimed that I was retarded and kicked me out.

I have been married to my wife for 45 years. I received food stamps one time back in 2009. I tried pot at 18, I didn't like having my mind altered by a drug. I have never had a drinking problem and the only substance I abused was tobacco... which I quit about 6 or 7 years ago.

When I needed to learn math, I studied it, when the car broke down I fixed it. I have managed more than one restaurant, worked in numismatics, sold real estate and ended up in a decent paying skilled trade. In my youth I fought off rapists, watched as others weren't so fortunate, I was beat with straps, was bounced of off walls by grown men.

40 years later, I encounter grown men, some with college that can't read a tape measure, they have no idea about fractions or decimals. The system said that I was the dumb one, then I have to explain trig to a boss who claims to be an engineer. It turned out that he wasn't, but he liked the title.

I made up my mind years ago, 50 years ago now, that the dim witted people who run the show would not ruin my life, as MLK said, "what doesn't kill me makes me stronger". That doesn't mean that I doesn't have some issues, I take meds. for PTSD and
see a shrink when I need to.

But, none of what happened will ever be an excuse to be a dysfunctional person that can't pull his own weight, the day that I allow that is the day that the abusers win.

 

[Dominus]

^What exactly do you mean by not believing in "fairness"?

Every time I hear the word "fair" and its variations, I get nervous. Usually, I hear it from a SJW telling us how unfair the world is because they decided to take out a $100k student loan for their art history degree and no one would give them a 6 figures job straight out of college.

The world isn't fair. If you want to prosper, you need to work hard and work smart. This is America. There are all kinds of ways to make money and prosper here. If anything, the current system works against Asians. Instead of bitching and moaning about it, we work extra hard and extra smart to overcome the obstacles that the system has in place for us.


Here is a thread I made when I felt depressed not too long ago on how unfair the system is to us Asians here. Read the link I provided there.

https://www.justusboys.com/forum/threads/474824-I-feel-depressed?highlight=depressed

Like I said, life isn't fair. We can either overcome the obstacles in front of us or we can cry about how unfair it is. There are certain groups of people who do nothing but bitch and whine about how unfair the system is to them. Ask them how doing that has faired for them.

 

[peeonme]

Every time I hear the word "fair" and its variations, I get nervous. Usually, I hear it from a SJW telling us how unfair the world is because they decided to take out a $100k student loan for their art history degree and no one would give them a 6 figures job straight out of college.

The world isn't fair. If you want to prosper, you need to work hard and work smart. This is America. There are all kinds of ways to make money and prosper here. If anything, the current system works against Asians. Instead of bitching and moaning about it, we work extra hard and extra smart to overcome the obstacles that the system has in place for us.


Here is a thread I made when I felt depressed not too long ago on how unfair the system is to us Asians here. Read the link I provided there.

https://www.justusboys.com/forum/threads/474824-I-feel-depressed?highlight=depressed

Like I said, life isn't fair. We can either overcome the obstacles in front of us or we can cry about how unfair it is. There are certain groups of people who do nothing but bitch and whine about how unfair the system is to them. Ask them how doing that has faired for them.

Is that a fair question to ask?

 

[Alistair]

America is screwed up because everything is about me. Me, my, mine, me. Younger Americans think they have it so unfair, older Americans think they had it so tough. No one really cares about anyone else, they only care about themselves.

 

[KrisGreen]

How we turn out as we do is a puzzle to me. It's convenient to blame ourselves on our parents. "I use drugs because of mom", "I drink because of dad", "I don't work because my parents didn't work". I came from an abusive home, sexually, physically, verbally and emotionally. It resulted in me going to a reform school for a year and a half. I finished the 5th grade, failed the 6th twice, never went to the 7th, saw 3 or 4 months of the 8th and finished the 9th. I supported both myself and my mother at the age of 16.I should add that the public school claimed that I was retarded and kicked me out.

I have been married to my wife for 45 years. I received food stamps one time back in 2009. I tried pot at 18, I didn't like having my mind altered by a drug. I have never had a drinking problem and the only substance I abused was tobacco... which I quit about 6 or 7 years ago.

When I needed to learn math, I studied it, when the car broke down I fixed it. I have managed more than one restaurant, worked in numismatics, sold real estate and ended up in a decent paying skilled trade. In my youth I fought off rapists, watched as others weren't so fortunate, I was beat with straps, was bounced of off walls by grown men.

40 years later, I encounter grown men, some with college that can't read a tape measure, they have no idea about fractions or decimals. The system said that I was the dumb one, then I have to explain trig to a boss who claims to be an engineer. It turned out that he wasn't, but he liked the title.

I made up my mind years ago, 50 years ago now, that the dim witted people who run the show would not ruin my life, as MLK said, "what doesn't kill me makes me stronger". That doesn't mean that I doesn't have some issues, I take meds. for PTSD and
see a shrink when I need to.

But, none of what happened will ever be an excuse to be a dysfunctional person that can't pull his own weight, the day that I allow that is the day that the abusers win.

The human mind is so complex. I can tell you care about this issue as much as I do, even if we look at it from different angles. I know you’re older and have more life experience. I appreciate hearing how others think.

Btw It’s good you see a dr for behavioral health. I do too and it helps so much. Happy to know you take care of yourself I totally agree with what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger.

 

[willhunt]

America is screwed up because everything is about me. Me, my, mine, me. Younger Americans think they have it so unfair, older Americans think they had it so tough. No one really cares about anyone else, they only care about themselves.

You and me, road trip.

 

[Pierresro]

I'm not sure we are worse that others. Europe isn't exactly run like a Swiss watch.

Greece is in ruins not because of the ravages of time but because they don't exactly set the standard for productivity, nor does Italy. Germany, on the other hand, might work circles around us.

But, I'm not saying we are not plagued with sloth. My own company makes me crazy.

Most of Europe runs ring around the United STates in its present State.

 

[Pierresro]

I'm not sure we are worse that others. Europe isn't exactly run like a Swiss watch.

Greece is in ruins not because of the ravages of time but because they don't exactly set the standard for productivity, nor does Italy. Germany, on the other hand, might work circles around us.

But, I'm not saying we are not plagued with sloth. My own company makes me crazy.

Most of Europe runs ring around the United States in its present State.

 

[belamyi]