Why Why Why Why are people so stupid

[jaysizzles]

I've read through the entire thread and still think the op overreacted to the shoving....(and still is)...then got off on phoning owner/friend to put her in her place...in a "do you know who I am!...bitch ain't gonna get away with treating ME like that!" type diva attitude. Sure she was wrong to push...but seems no physical harm was done. Only thing hurt was op's pride. jmo.

I'm thinking that if the woman really did get fired...it was just the excuse the owner needed to get rid of her because a good manager wouldn't get fired for something trivial as this. Owner should have asked her to apologize to op and let the incident slide and give her a warning...unless he wanted her gone anyway.

As far as walking barefoot into a store...I'd say it is just wrong and gross too...sign or no sign. I don't blame the woman for shooing the op out....I'd have done the same...without the physical contact though...I do know better than that.

 

[spencer]

My question is, what are you going to do to set up the next manager to see if you can get them fired? Are you going to open food up and eat it in front of the new manager and wait for her to call the owner and then tell her, sucks to be you, I'm VIP.

Jobs are hard to find these days. If you were set up, you probably wouldn't have liked it.

 

[Telstra]

-Noiro, do you like thongs (flip flop)?

where thongs and problem solved

 

[Apollo]

Diseased? bacteria ridden? Are you really that dense? Did you forget your comprehension hat today BW? Bacteria do not miraculously appear on feet. They are nurtured by the sweat imbued ovens you strap onto your feet. There are no more bacteria on my feet than on your hands. There is no more fungus on my feet than on your ears. Simply saying that feet have more bacteria doesn't make it true. It's only true if you wear shoes...

If you think it's disgusting because you think there's naturally more bacteria on feet, then your argument is moot. If you think it's digsuting because you have some wierd hangup about seeing bare feet, then grow the fuck up. Since when does anyone have the right to not be offended? What constitutional ammendment gave us that right. A man can draw close around him any boundaries he wants in his own home. But when you go outside you cannot impose your boundaries on other peoples basic civil liberties.

Make a real argument or go play in your sandbox.

Sorry, it is still disgusting either way.

I just googled all this, and there are no apparent health problems involved. Doesn't change the fact that by modern standards, especially living in a city, it is just nasty.

 

[spencer]

Well it may not have been a set up but now that you are in the know. The next manager hired whom you will certainly run into that does challenge your barefootedness will in fact be set up. Because that person will not be in the know and you will know and you will walk in barefoot just like you always do. Hopefully that person would have gotten the memo.

Everytime you walk in there and challenge authority just by being there with shoes off, it has potential to end in the same situation as the last. And you will of course will always win.

I'm just pointing out what I see. It's a free country for you to do what you like. You just can't go into the same situation with the next unsuspecting manager thinking you won't be confronted again, call it what you like.

 

[Apollo]

but you have no problems subjecting your feet to the perfect breeding ground for odor causing bacteria... that's not nasty at all... And it doesn't strike you as nasty that most people don't regularly wash the bottom of their shoes? How often do you wash the bottom of your shoes? Have you stepped in dog business and then walked around your very own house not hours later in those same shoes?

Tell me your shoes are more sanitary than my feet, I dare you.

I don't have bacteria on my feet because I wash my feet every night when I take a shower. And I would prefer to wear shoes anyday. Looks better with an outfit when I am out in the world.

I don't see how this is different then when you yourself walk into your house from walking everywhere barefoot. I mean, once you get home do you immediately wash your feet or do you wait till your shower time?

If I step in dog shit, I will wash my shoes. I havent stepped in anything nasty lately. And really, mop and vacuum your damn house.

 

[Telstra]

underwear version, god no. that would be classifiable as a crime against nature in 49 out of 50 states. Alabama though is still drafting the legislation though, so they'll be caught up soon enough


sandals? No. They have thick soles which prevent the nerves from sensing the ground beneath you. My fivefingers are at the very most the only thing I will wear outside of work. I wear those for walking longer distances (more than 2 miles) and over stuff like rough open areas of grass and weeds.

yeah but when shopping wear thongs or something to protect yourself.
shopping floors are very dirty with all sorts of germs you know !!!

 

[Swellegant]

These are my thoughts on the matter, which I'm sure you have all been waiting, agog, to read:

1) Going around barefoot in public isn't really gross or even unhygienic, it's simply tacky (and more than a trifle dangerous to the nonwearer, but that's your choice). Only peasants go unshod: that is deeply ingrained in our cultural conscience, going back beyond the days of ancient Egypt and Assyria. Shoes=Class, and someone who eschews shoes (how often do you get to say that) is naturally suspect.

2) The store manager was clearly in the wrong from the get-go. One does not push visitors, even if they are clearly bums. Even if it was the stated policy, even if it was blazoned over the door in neon letters a foot high, one must approach a person with courtesy and tact, even if you're barring his entrance. That's a standard of social decency and also just good personal policy: after all, you never know if someone is going to turn out to be Elvis (or your boss's friend).

3) Calling the store owner and confronting her with your personal relationship does tread a little closer to the line of assholery than I would be comfortable treading (smacks of name-dropping), but it's infinitely kinder than suing her for assault. She got fired for her WILDLY unprofessional conduct, not for infringing on the comforts of the boss's friend.

Thank you for reading, and have a pleasant day.

 

[Swellegant]

Sometimes I get the feeling that JUBbers just like to argue for arguing's sake.

Whatever makes you think so? You're clearly wrong and should be beaten.

Do you prefer a cat or a crop?

 

[Apollo]

These are my thoughts on the matter, which I'm sure you have all been waiting, agog, to read:

1) Going around barefoot in public isn't really gross or even unhygienic, it's simply tacky (and more than a trifle dangerous to the nonwearer, but that's your choice). Only peasants go unshod: that is deeply ingrained in our cultural conscience, going back beyond the days of ancient Egypt and Assyria. Shoes=Class, and someone who eschews shoes (how often do you get to say that) is naturally suspect.

2) The store manager was clearly in the wrong from the get-go. One does not push visitors, even if they are clearly bums. Even if it was the stated policy, even if it was blazoned over the door in neon letters a foot high, one must approach a person with courtesy and tact, even if you're barring his entrance. That's a standard of social decency and also just good personal policy: after all, you never know if someone is going to turn out to be Elvis (or your boss's friend).

3) Calling the store owner and confronting her with your personal relationship does tread a little closer to the line of assholery than I would be comfortable treading (smacks of name-dropping), but it's infinitely kinder than suing her for assault. She got fired for her WILDLY unprofessional conduct, not for infringing on the comforts of the boss's friend.

Thank you for reading, and have a pleasant day.

Lol I enjoyed reading thanks.

 

[Apollo]

Sometimes I get the feeling that JUBbers just like to argue for arguing's sake.

I have a feeling I am one of them. Which I hate.

But what can I do, I learned it from this site.

 

[Telstra]

No, they're not. No more so than the shopping cart handle, door handles, railings, credit card readers and numeric pads, or counter tops. But all those things you touch without a second thought. You don't even think twice about taking the pen the cashier hands you to sign the credit slip, that every scurvy mofo before you has touched... But, suddenly, someone without shoes is a 'health hazard'

ok, compare your palm with your bare feet, which one is cleaner ?
Your palms is cleaner. , see i win

 

[Apollo]

Well what can I say, I am an American.

 

[2243]

Sometimes I get the feeling that JUBbers just like to argue for arguing's sake.

LOL!

Then for the sake of argument let's say they took this to court. You guys doubt it would just turn into a "She ASSAULTED me for no reason. It was unprovoked!" vs. "I NEVER touched him. He ignored me and tried to walk through me!" kind of deal?

I think the judge would be left to wonder and question about this employee's training and the store's policies to keep it simple.

 

[spencer]

Oh you really FAIL

Did you not read the hundred or so times I said, when people tell me I need to wear shoes, I open up my backpack and put on my fivefingers? Or, like everyone else are you failing at reading?

The bitch got fired because she shoved me without provocation. She didn't even say a single word before she touched me. If she would have said "excuse me sir, but I can't let you in here without shoes" like a civilized individual with customer service skills. I would have either...
a) sat down and put on my five finger shoes.
b) politely said that wearing shoes has never been a problem before, and that I am a regular customer, and if she has questions I would be happy to let the owner clarify for her since I was on the phone with him.

But, she decided to PUSH me, unprovoked.

So unless my friend has a habit of hiring another manager who shoves me before even talking to me, there won't be a problem.

DO YOU COMPREHEND SHE WAS FIRED FOR PUSHING A CUSTOMER?

I didn't say she got fired because of you. My posts talk about the FUTURE.

And the next time you probably won't be on the phone with the owner.

I'm merely saying, next situation will be the opportunity to a repeat which could possibly include another altercation in which the other party flips out again.

I agree with you her inability to handle the situation got her fired. I never said you got her fired. You just can't expect that a similar situation (where the next in charge person points out you're not wearing shoes and you say, I come in all the time and it's okay with the owner) never to happen again. If the person is a good manager it will happen again (the situation, not the pushing or the firing)

I don't get why you think me pointing out that surely the next manager will call you gets misread as I think you got her fired.

Are you getting any of what I'm saying, or are you still not getting it? Do I have to push you to get it, clearly you don't

 

[bankside]

In Europe this would not have happened. I'm not sure any European country would allow the store's owner to fire at will like that. Everyone would have been sent to mediation.

 

[DonQuixote]

Noiro,
The SAFETY concerns, from my side of the aisle, having worked in a retail environment as well as an office, warehouse, etc. --

It's far too easy for your feet to accidentally come into contact with some sharp piece of trash (staples, screws, etc.) from packaging inbound shipments were in. Screws or sides of strap "staples", real staples can all be found on the floor. Small, sharp bars could connect with your feet -- or you could accidentally stub your toe on a sharp endcap or similar.

Dirt of all dust matter can be tracked in by Customers and by forklifts alike.
These are some of the danger zones --- your foot could get hooked by something, then bleed.

Blood- maybe just a little bit - just a small staple stab. No biggee. Wait - Tetanus - is your shot current?

Then there's the clean up - no problem, just a damp towel. Wait a minute, Aids/HIV is catchy - we don't know this guy - Aids/HIV is catchy up the coast. Do I let them proceed to clean up the small stick and the resultant blood? How careful do I have to be working in this town? Do you have aids? There's a problem there, too.

Hugs 'n kisses.

 

[hawkia]

jeez you were wrong get over it

 

[NineOfClubs]

I love this thread!

It proves my point that JUB is the most conformist and prudish porn site in the world.

 

[Yngbldhwk]

I would say that you both behaved poorly. The manager overreacted by putting her hands you, not listening, and pushing you. Those were mistakes on her part.

But if it's wrong for her to overreact, isn't it also wrong to get her fired? One could argue that it was the store owner that did the actual firing. True, so far as it goes. But, if you hadn't been talking with him at the exact same time, would the outcome have been the same? Or, would you have just left the store, cooled off a bit, and written it off as a bad experience? Something tells me that when you handed the manager the phone, with the owner on the other end, that you didn't have nice thoughts in your mind. (Who would?) But your actions got her fired, since if you hadn't been there, she'd probably still be working there.

Totally different angle: be absolutely sure you're up to date on your tetanus vaccinations. It's not just about whether your bare feet affect anyone or anything else. It's also about how the environment can affect your feet and you.