Why would God make someone gay?

[gsdx]

Let me make a point loud and clear if I may:

THE BIBLE DOES NOT CONDEMN HOMOSEXUALITY


[see here -- (I wrote this)]

As I have been saying all along. It is the church which condemns homosexuality and it is the various churches which regulate the people who translate their version of the Bible.

Not all Bibles are the same. Each one has its own translation and each translation is an interpretation.

 

[gsdx]

Also, for those who claim that the bible does not condemn gay sex, how about: Leviticus 18:22: Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination

*sigh*

Again with that crap. Please check out Religious Tolerance and read a little bit of it. Leviticus is one of the most misinterpreted verses in the Bible.

The original text does not. . . and I repeat, NOT. . . say it is an 'abomination'. It says that it is 'unclean', meaning that it would 'soil' the marital bed. The original text does not condemn homosexuality. It merely places limits on where you can engage in it.

Also, do a bit of homework. You will discover that there was no such word as 'homosexuality' until the late 1800s.

 

[TX-Beau]

Again with that crap. Please check out Religious Tolerance and read a little bit of it. Leviticus is one of the most misinterpreted verses in the Bible.

The original text does not. . . and I repeat, NOT. . . say it is an 'abomination'. It says that it is 'unclean', meaning that it would 'soil' the marital bed. The original text does not condemn homosexuality. It merely places limits on where you can engage in it.

Sure, but that means nothing if the hoards of the faithful interpret in such a way that it means abomination. It really doesn't matter what was meant thousands of years ago, what matters is what the faithful believe, on the ground, here and now, and they believe abomination.

If you want to argue the point with them, go for it, I doubt you'll prevail. I don't believe any of it anyway, and the standard by which I'm going to judge is what their behavior is in the only sphere that impacts my life, the one we live in.

 

[Telstra]

This is a burning question I have. No, i'm not a very religious person, but i do believe there is a God, he created, the world, he creates people. Anyways if i'm not mistaken the bible says that the lord doesnt appreciate/like homosexuality. That raises the questiin why would he create gay or lesbian people?

how do you know.
which part of the bible says this ?

 

[TX-Beau]

This is a burning question I have. No, i'm not a very religious person, but i do believe there is a God, he created, the world, he creates people. Anyways if i'm not mistaken the bible says that the lord doesnt appreciate/like homosexuality. That raises the questiin why would he create gay or lesbian people?

Yeah I kinda agree with Telstra, if you haven't read the bible how do you know what it says. If you're serious about this, go read that first.

Also any non religious person is going to ask how you know there is a god in the first place. No god, no question. If you believe there is a god, just not the one in the bible, no dilemma, no problem. So really what you're asking all hinges on what you believe about the bible anyway.

If you're just looking for drama, congratulations, very divisive subject.

 

[Telstra]

I'm sorry but that's just fucked up. You were designed by god to have strong feelings of love and sexual attraction towards other men solely for the purpose of humoring straight people??

Also, for those who claim that the bible does not condemn gay sex, how about: Leviticus 18:22: Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination, or Leviticus 20:13: If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Burn that shit NOW, you don't need it.

put to death by whom?

 

[TX-Beau]

A STONING!!

...are there any women here...

 

[Telstra]

A STONING!!

...are there any women here...

stoning?
how about the part said "there shall not kill" ?

Also, the part said "an eye for an eye".
Therefore the stoners should be all stoned to death according to the law of "an eye for and eye".

 

[TX-Beau]

Gratuitous Monty Python reference.

 

[neruda]

Churches humanize the godliness of a pure sexual relationship - and are there to pass value judgments on them.
God arguably just "made" us and had no nefarious designs in doing so. That I'm pretty certain.
Actually - just departing a bit - there are societies on earth that attribute divine qualities to gay people. They don't obviously exist in the western world.....

 

[Telstra]

ok on a serious note according to the bible,

god is actually YOU.

 

[BabiGayPimp]

God made us to shorten the way between male and female through education, art, and community building. We've played important roles in the development of civilizations, and straights unknowingly depend on us. References to homosexuality in the bible are scandalous gossip, not the true words of a good and loving God.

 

[TX-Beau]

ok on a serious note according to the bible,

god is actually YOU.

Don't see what you're getting at here.

God made us to shorten the way between male and female through education, art, and community building. We've played important roles in the development of civilizations, and straights unknowingly depend on us. References to homosexuality in the bible are scandalous gossip, not the true words of a good and loving God.

That’s a nice thought. But I’m not sure that it’s completely accurate.

 

[Telstra]

Don't see what you're getting at here.



That’s a nice thought. But I’m not sure that it’s completely accurate.

i mean anyone can be "god".
If you say you are god, then you are god.

 

[TX-Beau]

I AM GOD!!! That felt good.

 

[TX-Beau]

The only argument against God that atheist are really relying is the negative proof fallacy.

Its a shame that alot of Gay people are robbing themselves of the chance of spirituality due to religious bigots.

The fallacy you’re talking about says that absence of proof doesn’t preclude existence, but then absence of proof doesn’t endorse it either. So saying God exists without proof is just as fallacious as saying that God doesn’t’ exist without proof.

It is incumbent on those making the fantastic claims to provide the fantastic proofs.

God exists - is a positive assertion, your proof please?

I see no proof of god - is a neutral position that neither approves or denies.

Is it possible god exists - sure - is it probable - not bloody likely.

It's a shame that the religious get so shocked that gay people are alienated by religion - aren't they paying attention?

 

[Shepherd 2]

God has a sense of humor and likes all sex for he made it all. God created, and he said, "Behold, it is very good." Let God be praised. I am quite glad he made me this way, and I love being gay and God.

Shep+

 

[Inwood]

And to answer the OP's question, I'm pretty sure religious dogma asserts that God doesn't make people gay, but that it is our own free will which turns our back on heterosexuality and allows Satan to tempt us. Hence the sin.

However, as has already been stated, the Bible does not condemn homosexuality, or same sex relationships, in any way/shape/form. All one needs to do is go to the original texts written in Aramaic, Hebrew and Greek along with a copy of Strong's Concordance and they will see the true meaning of the passages that have been mistranslated throughout the years. There have been several books written that corroborate the findings.

 

[EwanSF]

Gratuitous Monty Python reference.

That's the second one this week.

God made us to shorten the way between male and female through education, art, and community building. We've played important roles in the development of civilizations, and straights unknowingly depend on us. References to homosexuality in the bible are scandalous gossip, not the true words of a good and loving God.

Bit of wishful thinking there.

It is no more absurd to think that God exists than he doesn't but the ramafications of materialism is that matter has all its current millions of properties and forms without a need for explanation or intervention.

Why is that? It gets a bit circular with that argument, as if there needed to be an infinitely complex creator to make all this madness happen, then wouldn't someone need to create him. If the concept of an infinite cosmic, sentient being is so easy to grasp, why not an infinite non-sentient (as best we know,) cosmic body?

And with regards to me "robbing myself" of spirituality by not throwing my lot in with an iron-age system of social control, if that's what spirituality is, I'll take a pass. I fill the "spiritual" void in my life with getting off my trolly and havin' a lot of sex and I tell ye what man, I'm more than happy with that deal

 

[TX-Beau]

And to answer the OP's question, I'm pretty sure religious dogma asserts that God doesn't make people gay, but that it is our own free will which turns our back on heterosexuality and allows Satan to tempt us. Hence the sin.

However, as has already been stated, the Bible does not condemn homosexuality, or same sex relationships, in any way/shape/form. All one needs to do is go to the original texts written in Aramaic, Hebrew and Greek along with a copy of Strong's Concordance and they will see the true meaning of the passages that have been mistranslated throughout the years. There have been several books written that corroborate the findings.

That's an argument to have with the religious. It doesn't mean anything to me, because I don't follow the bible anyway.

I suspect all you will accomplish with that is to wander off into the weeds of conflicting interpretation, with one side arguing this and the other side arguing that, and a third side something else yet again.

Because anyone who was rational on the subject, wouldn't be arguing with you in the first place.