MystikWizard
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Pretty much. Campaign finance violations occurred and laws were broken throughout the Primary season, prompting the DNC Chairwoman to resign, and they don't care.
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WikiLeaks Has Been Busy
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Pretty much. Campaign finance violations occurred and laws were broken throughout the Primary season, prompting the DNC Chairwoman to resign, and they don't care.
I've read the same releases you will have done.
Where are the emails that state this. All I've seen is this party opinion pieces from people claiming to have been vindicated (without providing proof).
MystikWizard
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He could get on the Green Party ticket if he wanted, but don't think he will. He has caucused for years with the Democrats and supported them, but they don't care.
Yet Sanders is getting a free pass from his supporters by not providing any funds to state and lower party members from his own fundraising ventures...
One standard for him, another for Clinton.
kallipolis
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That would get him nowhere, rapidly.
Sanders has had his fifteen minutes of celebrity, riding on the Democrat ticket.
kallipolis
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There are those of us here who dare to confront the forum's Sanders fanatics, by providing the thought that he is not the chosen saviour.
Discussion need not conform to the narrative being provided by Bernie's supporters, or by those pretending to be Bernie's supporters while all the while supporting Trump.
If you can't reply without spreading this rhetoric, please don't bother replying at all. I know it is easier to do this than to address the actual topic, though. And all it says is that you really have nothing to add. This topic isn't just some "Bernie Narrative."
This disingenuous narrative that so many of you guys push here is why this forum is not as active as it is, you don't actually invite any real discourse.
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Interesting if it actually was the Russians who released the emails in order to help get Trump elected. Certainly the timing of the release is designed to inflict maximum damage.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...rman-schultz-resigns-dnc-chair-emails-sanders
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...rman-schultz-resigns-dnc-chair-emails-sanders
kallipolis
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Those who pull strings, from behind the curtain .
Why do we not ask the people who are the actual problem not to take the responsibility? People see to blame the source behind spilling then beans rather then making the the people that are the problem take responsibility.
TickTockMan
"Repent, Harlequin!"
How dare the Russians (if it was them) do to Hillary what Hillary and the DNC did to Bernie. For Shame!
CoolBlue71
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My reaction to these DNC e-mails is that the DNC worked to undermine the Bernie Sanders campaign because they always wanted—and was willing to manipulate the outcome for—Hillary Clinton. They were impartial in so far as it meant they felt that Hillary Clinton wouldn’t get much of a challenge. A lot of people have been named. And they’re no surprise. And this is just the committee. The ratfucking also went on with officeholders.
I will not vote, here in 2016, for the Democratic Party’s ticket in November. I will not permit any the twisted head-game tactics used by Democratic shills—whether they work in the party or whether they come from Democratic voters—to have any impact on me.
The people who think a President Donald Trump would take away same-sex marriage have not realized that part of the reason why we have it is because of who also wanted the nation to have it: corporations. Yes, corporations wanted same-sex marriage in the United States because, in part, the LGBT community has been recognized as a market opportunity more than worthy of tapping into and selling. So, same-sex marriage is here to stay. Discrimination is still here. But, if the Democratic Party actually cared—and if Donald Trump is so evil that they truly think he would burn this country to the ground—they would not have fucked with party unity because they need their full force to defeat Donald Trump.
I have lots more thoughts regarding the last several months of Democratic Party politics. The most powerful influences want a Wall Street party—look at the party sabotaging (the endorsements by Barack Obama, Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer, and fraudulent progressives like Al Franken) used against Alan Grayson, for ex-Republican Patrick Murphy, for the Florida U.S. Senate primary—and the real progressives in the party, the ones supportive of Bernie Sanders, are really just the party using progressives for their votes. (The Democrats mathematically have to carry—and perform highly—with self-identified Liberals, because they are the base, just as the Republicans have to with self-identified Conservatives.) The Democrats, with their neoliberal economic national and global policies, are now looking at people who are the have-nots as merely electorally appealing voting demographics. (Blacks. Hispanics, as we can see from the DNC leaks. And, frankly, add Jewish and Asian-American people.) In the primaries, white males were not appealing because they voted for Bernie Sanders. Minorities were looked as the influential power determining the nomination. So, their influence was respected by Hillary Clinton not choosing a minority for her vice-presidential running mate but the white male Tim Kaine.
If we look at the two major political parties not just as parties but businesses who do politics…the Republicans are in a period in which they are a minority with winning the presidency. But, that’s okay. They win as the majority with the U.S. House—and the U.S. Senate is, depending on a given election cycle, an overall tossup. The Republicans win the back the presidency when they reinvent their party and nominate an eventual winner who truly plays like a national candidate—like with the two elections of Dwight Eisenhower during the 1950s. Yet, it doesn’t seem that bad for these Republicans. Based on how this Democratic Party operates, and what has been reaped with the Obama presidency, the Democratic Party is now a good and comfy home for the breeds of Republican names like Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, Nelson Rockefeller, Bob Dole, and George Bush Sr. Perhaps even Ronald Reagan, in some way, could be added. It’s no wonder President Obama was always wanting “bipartisanship.” (Cornel West has the accurate read on him.) The Democrats are good on the surface—the social policies—but they are, in areas of economics and national security and the military policies, quite like the Republican Party. (And, well, I do not intend to vote for that.)
These DNC leaks make it much easier now for me to break the habit of routinely focusing my voting on the two-party duopoly—which is nowadays basically just choosing a brand—and actually vote for an alternative which closely reflects my political views. I will be voting for Green Party candidate Jill Stein. And, with this year’s revolting two-party matchup, I hope there is mass movement of support for both Libertarian Gary Johnson and for Jill Stein. Election 2016 is in sore need of this.
I will not vote, here in 2016, for the Democratic Party’s ticket in November. I will not permit any the twisted head-game tactics used by Democratic shills—whether they work in the party or whether they come from Democratic voters—to have any impact on me.
The people who think a President Donald Trump would take away same-sex marriage have not realized that part of the reason why we have it is because of who also wanted the nation to have it: corporations. Yes, corporations wanted same-sex marriage in the United States because, in part, the LGBT community has been recognized as a market opportunity more than worthy of tapping into and selling. So, same-sex marriage is here to stay. Discrimination is still here. But, if the Democratic Party actually cared—and if Donald Trump is so evil that they truly think he would burn this country to the ground—they would not have fucked with party unity because they need their full force to defeat Donald Trump.
I have lots more thoughts regarding the last several months of Democratic Party politics. The most powerful influences want a Wall Street party—look at the party sabotaging (the endorsements by Barack Obama, Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer, and fraudulent progressives like Al Franken) used against Alan Grayson, for ex-Republican Patrick Murphy, for the Florida U.S. Senate primary—and the real progressives in the party, the ones supportive of Bernie Sanders, are really just the party using progressives for their votes. (The Democrats mathematically have to carry—and perform highly—with self-identified Liberals, because they are the base, just as the Republicans have to with self-identified Conservatives.) The Democrats, with their neoliberal economic national and global policies, are now looking at people who are the have-nots as merely electorally appealing voting demographics. (Blacks. Hispanics, as we can see from the DNC leaks. And, frankly, add Jewish and Asian-American people.) In the primaries, white males were not appealing because they voted for Bernie Sanders. Minorities were looked as the influential power determining the nomination. So, their influence was respected by Hillary Clinton not choosing a minority for her vice-presidential running mate but the white male Tim Kaine.
If we look at the two major political parties not just as parties but businesses who do politics…the Republicans are in a period in which they are a minority with winning the presidency. But, that’s okay. They win as the majority with the U.S. House—and the U.S. Senate is, depending on a given election cycle, an overall tossup. The Republicans win the back the presidency when they reinvent their party and nominate an eventual winner who truly plays like a national candidate—like with the two elections of Dwight Eisenhower during the 1950s. Yet, it doesn’t seem that bad for these Republicans. Based on how this Democratic Party operates, and what has been reaped with the Obama presidency, the Democratic Party is now a good and comfy home for the breeds of Republican names like Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, Nelson Rockefeller, Bob Dole, and George Bush Sr. Perhaps even Ronald Reagan, in some way, could be added. It’s no wonder President Obama was always wanting “bipartisanship.” (Cornel West has the accurate read on him.) The Democrats are good on the surface—the social policies—but they are, in areas of economics and national security and the military policies, quite like the Republican Party. (And, well, I do not intend to vote for that.)
These DNC leaks make it much easier now for me to break the habit of routinely focusing my voting on the two-party duopoly—which is nowadays basically just choosing a brand—and actually vote for an alternative which closely reflects my political views. I will be voting for Green Party candidate Jill Stein. And, with this year’s revolting two-party matchup, I hope there is mass movement of support for both Libertarian Gary Johnson and for Jill Stein. Election 2016 is in sore need of this.
And if we want to play the blame game here, the DNC is in part responsible if we do have a Donald Trump outcome. People did not believe in the Dmeocratic Part during this election process and these emails only justified these beliefs. Why would people vote for a party where it is revealed your vote really does not matter unless you were voting for who they wanted?
Granted though, so the nonsense doesn't come up, this doesn't mean I am voting for Trump by any means.
kallipolis
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^^This leads to the not surprising outcome in a tight Clinton-Trump race, voting for your most-preferred candidate could end up favouring your least-preferred outcome....Trump.
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I'm not saying that there shouldn't be responsibility assigned.
I'm just pointing out that the release of the emails is not likely some random act....coincidentally timed for this week.
And you have to at least ask the question...who are the hackers and what do they hope to gain by this?
Obviously they are already successful in guaranteeing more division in the Democrat party and have increased the likelihood of more Bernie supporters sitting out the election.
This all only serves one candidate and one purpose.
And then we have to consider who believes they will benefit most by having Trump in the oval office.
kallipolis
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Bingo! for those of us who are not being deceived by a strategy calculated to produce the result that favours the mastermind, concealed behind the curtain.
Do you really just sit on the side lines offering nothing but condescending attitudes?
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As for what the hackers gain, I can't assume what their aim is and who they are but placing the blame on them is being a bit dishonest. The DNC is creating the split in the Democratic Party when actions like theirs are done behind the scenes. When they take actions to purposely sabatage another candidates campaign, regardless of how they feel about him. Considering even media sources are involved in catering to the DNC.
The hackers might have selfish motives but it doesn't mean what they unraveled isn't worthy of criticism, condemnation and accountability on those who are involved. Clearly are government wasn't going to be transparent about what they are doing, maybe people felt like they had to take it into their own hands?
kallipolis
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^
Never be distracted from the big picture by those with ulterior motives, whose primary ambition is to lead the naive observer into a wonderland where perceptions of criminality become the one, and only discussion that matters.
Trump must be rubbing his palms with joy, lubricating the feelings of those here who daily gloat over Hillary's flaws.
Never be distracted from the big picture by those with ulterior motives, whose primary ambition is to lead the naive observer into a wonderland where perceptions of criminality become the one, and only discussion that matters.
Trump must be rubbing his palms with joy, lubricating the feelings of those here who daily gloat over Hillary's flaws.
I guess I just got my answer.