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bankside
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Re: Wikileaks
BTW, rareboy, as to your original post, I had heard of wikileaks before but they only made their way to the fringes of my consciousness. I suppose I thought it was a good idea in principle, but I dismissed it a little bit as a venue for [STRIKE]people like Ambro[/STRIKE] people who have an unsubstantiated axe to grind.
It might yet prove to be the case that they do nothing but trade in shady conspiracy theories, but after the recent news items, I took a moment to check out the discussion on TED, and I think it is worth a closer look. They look as though they want to be judged against a standard of credibility, so we'll see how they do.
BTW, rareboy, as to your original post, I had heard of wikileaks before but they only made their way to the fringes of my consciousness. I suppose I thought it was a good idea in principle, but I dismissed it a little bit as a venue for [STRIKE]people like Ambro[/STRIKE] people who have an unsubstantiated axe to grind.
It might yet prove to be the case that they do nothing but trade in shady conspiracy theories, but after the recent news items, I took a moment to check out the discussion on TED, and I think it is worth a closer look. They look as though they want to be judged against a standard of credibility, so we'll see how they do.
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Re: Wikileaks
So, when are 'the People' charging for war crimes?
So, when are 'the People' charging for war crimes?
kallipolis
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^When Hell freezes over.
^When Hell freezes over.
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as for that "heavily edited version" that was just the press release, the thing what wikileaks ALWAYS does is that they also release the raw material. i don't know of any other media outlet that does this.
oh and by the way ..
http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20012253-245.html?tag=topTechContentWrap;editorPicks
as for that "heavily edited version" that was just the press release, the thing what wikileaks ALWAYS does is that they also release the raw material. i don't know of any other media outlet that does this.
oh and by the way ..
http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20012253-245.html?tag=topTechContentWrap;editorPicks
kallipolis
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Re: Wikileaks
This matter does help us appreciate that there are employees of the American military who are conscious of their need to spill the beans.
I am sure that the United States military top brass and political leadership are aware that whistle blowers are a necessary element in acquainting the general public with the less than savoury facts of life on blundering military strategies that are conveniently hidden from public scrutiny.
This matter does help us appreciate that there are employees of the American military who are conscious of their need to spill the beans.
I am sure that the United States military top brass and political leadership are aware that whistle blowers are a necessary element in acquainting the general public with the less than savoury facts of life on blundering military strategies that are conveniently hidden from public scrutiny.
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Did I say his ethnicity had anything to do with him being creepy? More baseless accusations from rareboy.
Did I say his ethnicity had anything to do with him being creepy? More baseless accusations from rareboy.
Lostlover
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Co-sign.
That asshole's ego is out of this world. I'm still trying to figure out what they're getting out of this.
A lot of local informants' lives might be at risk because some loser paid another loser to leak classified information.
Very unfortunate.
they out to drag them into court and hold them responsibile for any soldier's or civilians
lives that are lost for any names they published.
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Co-sign.
That asshole's ego is out of this world. I'm still trying to figure out what they're getting out of this.
A lot of local informants' lives might be at risk because some loser paid another loser to leak classified information.
Very unfortunate.
Lostlover
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Of course, that needed to be exposed for the world's consumption. A lot of people here in America don't distinguish between enemies and potential allies in Afghanistan. They're just too different to separate them out.
I was once told in the locker room by an older guy that we should nuke Afghanistan and Pakistan and turn it into a parking lot. This was right after the failed bombing at an airport in the Uk.
Of course, that needed to be exposed for the world's consumption. A lot of people here in America don't distinguish between enemies and potential allies in Afghanistan. They're just too different to separate them out.
I was once told in the locker room by an older guy that we should nuke Afghanistan and Pakistan and turn it into a parking lot. This was right after the failed bombing at an airport in the Uk.
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I see class and honesty, not creepiness.
Yet insofar as information released by his organization leads to the deaths of informants or anyone else, he's at the least being criminally negligent. Protect the safety of your sources, yes, but don't forget about the safety of people those sources' material may mention.
Given some of the Founding Fathers' statements about secrecy, good Americans should applaud this guy. But we should also let him know that putting at risk people who are also in the line of work of passing along information is not acceptable.
I won't go treason, but if indeed people get killed because of these recent releases, he's an accessory to murder.
I see class and honesty, not creepiness.
Yet insofar as information released by his organization leads to the deaths of informants or anyone else, he's at the least being criminally negligent. Protect the safety of your sources, yes, but don't forget about the safety of people those sources' material may mention.
Given some of the Founding Fathers' statements about secrecy, good Americans should applaud this guy. But we should also let him know that putting at risk people who are also in the line of work of passing along information is not acceptable.
I won't go treason, but if indeed people get killed because of these recent releases, he's an accessory to murder.
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I will say that there are close to a million people with top secret clearance.
isn't that kind of like handing out one hundred keys to the neighborhood and expecting not to get robbed?
I will say that there are close to a million people with top secret clearance.
isn't that kind of like handing out one hundred keys to the neighborhood and expecting not to get robbed?
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What did the signers of the Declaration of Independence "got out of" it?
And there's no money changing hands, BTW.
But you're right, though it's beyond unfortunate that local lives are almost certainly at risk.
What did the signers of the Declaration of Independence "got out of" it?
And there's no money changing hands, BTW.
But you're right, though it's beyond unfortunate that local lives are almost certainly at risk.
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He thinks he's doing some great thing, and doesn't understand that the information he releases will cause harm to innocent people in Afghanistan and Iraq. He claims they vet the information very carefully, and yet they left quite a significant amount of information in that afghan leak that put dozens of afghan lives at risk. He's full of shit, and is only interested in stroking his own ego.
He thinks he's doing some great thing, and doesn't understand that the information he releases will cause harm to innocent people in Afghanistan and Iraq. He claims they vet the information very carefully, and yet they left quite a significant amount of information in that afghan leak that put dozens of afghan lives at risk. He's full of shit, and is only interested in stroking his own ego.
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Using information like this is irresponsible and unforgivable. It de-legitimizes any purpose they might have, and makes them look like arrogant little pricks out to stroke their own ego instead of helping people.
The US would be well-within their rights to arrest Assange and have wikileaks shut-down. There would be nothing unlawful about it. Whether or not they're doing good for the soldiers and revealing information to show what the war is really like depends on your point of view. What cannot be argued is that what wikileaks and Assange are doing is ethically suspect, and borderline criminal.
Using information like this is irresponsible and unforgivable. It de-legitimizes any purpose they might have, and makes them look like arrogant little pricks out to stroke their own ego instead of helping people.
The US would be well-within their rights to arrest Assange and have wikileaks shut-down. There would be nothing unlawful about it. Whether or not they're doing good for the soldiers and revealing information to show what the war is really like depends on your point of view. What cannot be argued is that what wikileaks and Assange are doing is ethically suspect, and borderline criminal.
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you still do not know what is in it. any speculation about it is still without merit. i don't see how you can be so inhuman to label someone trying to protect his very life as "arrogant". in the last year wikileaks and the people involved probably have done more for the society than anybody here in his lifetime.
and no the us have no right to arrest him anywhere outside of their jurisdiction.
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oh and about that ego stroking .. that file wasn't announced anywhere, it was just silently uploaded. some people call it a bluff, but since there is no comment, we don't know anything.
you still do not know what is in it. any speculation about it is still without merit. i don't see how you can be so inhuman to label someone trying to protect his very life as "arrogant". in the last year wikileaks and the people involved probably have done more for the society than anybody here in his lifetime.
and no the us have no right to arrest him anywhere outside of their jurisdiction.
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oh and about that ego stroking .. that file wasn't announced anywhere, it was just silently uploaded. some people call it a bluff, but since there is no comment, we don't know anything.
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What have they done for society except put Americans and our allies' lives in jeopardy? I can only imagine how many people have died because of the information Assange and his crew have released. The Taliban have already admitted they will be going after the Afghani U.S. informants listed in the released documents. I hope Mr. Assange is proud. If Obama has any balls he will shut down the website and track down Assange.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/7917955/Wikileaks-Afghanistan-Taliban-hunting-down-informants.html
What have they done for society except put Americans and our allies' lives in jeopardy? I can only imagine how many people have died because of the information Assange and his crew have released. The Taliban have already admitted they will be going after the Afghani U.S. informants listed in the released documents. I hope Mr. Assange is proud. If Obama has any balls he will shut down the website and track down Assange.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/7917955/Wikileaks-Afghanistan-Taliban-hunting-down-informants.html
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He is doing a great thing -- he's just doing it sloppily, if the claims about information that could lead to the identity of people helping the U.S. in Afghanistan are true.
And I doubt he's interested much in stroking his ego. He rarely appears in public, and doesn't toot his own horn.
And remember that Wikileaks also exposes information about the Islamists and others hostile to civilization. I'd guess that's the criterion: activities harmful to civilization get outed, no matter who's committing them.
Personally, I wish he had a set of spy satellites to put to use.
He is doing a great thing -- he's just doing it sloppily, if the claims about information that could lead to the identity of people helping the U.S. in Afghanistan are true.
And I doubt he's interested much in stroking his ego. He rarely appears in public, and doesn't toot his own horn.
And remember that Wikileaks also exposes information about the Islamists and others hostile to civilization. I'd guess that's the criterion: activities harmful to civilization get outed, no matter who's committing them.
Personally, I wish he had a set of spy satellites to put to use.
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Given that the Obama administration thinks it's just fine to grab U.S. citizens overseas without warning and without having to inform anyone at all, merely by declaring they have a suspicion, and hold them as long as they please, wherever they want, anything and everything that Wikileaks can expose about U.S. misbehavior is a blow for liberty.
The Bush administration, Darth Cheney in command behind the throne, acted like the Soviet Presidium and the KGB. Obama has taken steps deeper toward the dark side, expanding the secret police powers Cheney thrilled in. If any information can be found and released which will help show what an autocratic statist system our government is becoming is a precious gift.
Given that the Obama administration thinks it's just fine to grab U.S. citizens overseas without warning and without having to inform anyone at all, merely by declaring they have a suspicion, and hold them as long as they please, wherever they want, anything and everything that Wikileaks can expose about U.S. misbehavior is a blow for liberty.
The Bush administration, Darth Cheney in command behind the throne, acted like the Soviet Presidium and the KGB. Obama has taken steps deeper toward the dark side, expanding the secret police powers Cheney thrilled in. If any information can be found and released which will help show what an autocratic statist system our government is becoming is a precious gift.
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You're not a Republican, you're a total statist, a believer in arbitrary police power for the central government.
Yes, Wikileaks was a little irresponsible here. But the solution isn't to shut down an operation dedicated to something the Founding Fathers of the U.S. believed in -- undoing secrecy -- it's to get them more resources to do the job right.
You're not a Republican, you're a total statist, a believer in arbitrary police power for the central government.
Yes, Wikileaks was a little irresponsible here. But the solution isn't to shut down an operation dedicated to something the Founding Fathers of the U.S. believed in -- undoing secrecy -- it's to get them more resources to do the job right.
