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Wikileaks [MERGED]

And i'm perceptive enough to realize that the uber liberals look at the word 'teabagger' as a weapon, an epithat (sic) to demonize those in the Tea Party. Why can't you bring yourself to admit that you use the word soley (sic) to disparage them? By the way, I didn't make up the name Hussein. It is fair use. Obama isn't ashamed of it, you seem to wanna keep it hidden.
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I love it. You must have been disappointed with the final edit when you posted this. Tsk. Be original. Find your own voice.

Teabaggers aren't demonized by the use of this name. As far as I know, their are no associative connections between teabaggers and weapons of mass destruction or islamic extremists. No. The über left doesn't look at teabagger as an epithet or weapon. Only as a source of amusement; a demonstration if you will of the incredibly unsophisticated ignorance of a bellicose rabble based movement.

We're laughing at them.

We saw though that there were snide insinuations and connections made by the uber right between Obama's middle name and fear and distrust of Islamic extremists and with Hussein, the bane of Iraq. I remember watching a program during the presidential campaign where people were helping the abysmally genetically challenged people in the backwoods of West Virginia make this association.

Now granted, illiterate citizens, bereft of access to media, may be forgiven for being convinced that Hussein is a troublesome name, particularly if they've lost a son or daughter in the prosecution of wars against Saddam, but I suspect they'd also just laugh if they knew the east coast liberal definition of teabagger.

a la prochaine, mon ami.
 
BostonPirate said:
what does that actually say?

do you have a way or means to actually stand up and mean something, or do you prefer the picket fence post up your arse ?
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I appreciate that the obsessive frame of mind will argue over every comma, and defend every apostrophe as if their very life depended upon it.

I assume that I have much to learn, when patiently listening to both sides of an argument. I learn much, and appreciate the time and energy that various posters use to express their opinion. I am not one to pour cold water on genuine debate. Of course I cannot abide bare faced abuse.

Both sides of the aisle practise the same techniques in belittling, and abusing their opponents. It matters not that a few posters are more able, than others at skilfully delivering their abusive barrages.

Pots, and kettles encourages me to believe that when the kitchen heat is too much to bear, then the pot stirrers might well find solace in practising all that they encourage in their opponents.
 
still at a loss.

Do you have a point? Are you saying both sides do it and so what, or are you saying you don't pick either side?

can you drop the pretense and just state in one sentence what you mean.
 
rareboy said:
And now you nakedly demonstrate your inability to understand tribal cultures and atavistic societies.

What you need to understand about Afghanistan is the tribal culture and the endemic and centuries old systems of governance and justice. Because you do not understand, you think that the US and 'allies' are over there to win. There is no win. There is only not losing. this is the country that helped bring the USSR to its knees.

There will be no perfect democracy in Afghanistan. Not this decade or this century. It will not exist until the tribal culture is eradicated. Which no one wants to do. Maybe China could finally beat the snot out of them but they wouldn't be asking for a vote afterward.
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Even more than Iraq, Afghanistan is at a point socially to be ready for the Magna Charta.

Telstra said:
lol a debate about the name "Hussein" ?

Lets go back to wikileaks.
Leaking (truth) is good for free speech.
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Isn't "Hussein" Arabic for "Hussy"? :p
 
so back to topic .. the us government wants wikileaks to RETURN the documents :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

I can't stop laughing. Can somebody please explain them internet 1 x 1?

Moneyquote:

"The Defense Department demands that WikiLeaks return immediately to the U.S. government all versions of documents obtained directly or indirectly from the Department of Defense databases or records," Morrell said.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100805/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_pentagon_wikileaks
 
how can you return something that is on the internet...

thats like sweeping up water

what a silly thing to even suggest.
 
you know .. when a government is asking people to "do the right thing" I guess they ran out of options ..
 
so back to topic .. the us government wants wikileaks to RETURN the documents

I can't stop laughing. Can somebody please explain them internet 1 x 1?
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Well apparently it was described as a series of tubes by the infamous senator Ted Stevens from Alaska, so maybe they know something we don't.

This doesn't mean the Pentagon is going to have to mind-wipe all 3 billion of us that have viewed the docs is it?
 
^ actually wiki leaks asked for that help before. they were just so stupid to ask the US government.

here is an interesting article/comment from the harper's magazine for those who make this an issue of "national security".

http://harpers.org/archive/2010/08/hbc-90007466


Few functions are so fundamental to a democracy as the decision about when and how to wage a war. That decision means an investment of treasure and blood that can affect the lives of hundreds of millions in America and elsewhere. In this process, fair presentation and discussion of the facts is essential to a correct result. If information can be routinely suppressed because it is embarrassing to political leaders or would undermine the arguments they make to the nation, then our democracy is faltering. In the wake of these disclosures, Americans should carefully judge the conduct of those who claim that suppressing the leaks is in the interests of national security. Are they upholding national security, or are they betraying American democracy?
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Corny said:
^ actually wiki leaks asked for that help before. they were just so stupid to ask the US government.

here is an interesting article/comment from the harper's magazine for those who make this an issue of "national security".

http://harpers.org/archive/2010/08/hbc-90007466
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If they asked for that help and then published the documents anyways, why are you defending them? That implicates them in knowingly putting the lives of innocent individuals at risk. If they knew, they should (and will) be held responsible for the deaths of those individuals.
 
^ so how many died again? still none so far ..

how many innocents were killed by us soldiers and allies? oops .. let's better not talk about that ..

and how many of those murders were tried to be swept under the carpet, denied or never even mentioned? let's not even go there ..
 
Also, let us not overlook that Wikileaks has withheld documents where they believe there is a possibility of harm.
 
so far, it seems that there are no damages to anyone that I can find due to their release but to the honor, and rightly so, of the people who have been waging this war.

I remember Bush saying in that address to congress after9-11 that there were many things the gov't would do to fight terrorism, and some of them would never be known to the general public. That was chilling, and it showed to me that he had a willful intent to carry out warfare of questionable methods outside of mainstream american values.

As time progressed and we learned of the great national shame of the torture programs, it became more clear.

At this point americans are just reading and feeling justified in knwoing that their fears about the truth of the wars were being kept.

Currently this places Obama in a place that he has to punish the whistleblowers yet ignore the actions of the people committing crimes.

and I think that puts his values as a person in question.

Power corrupts.
 
^ Probably the usual presidential advisors who have carefully explained the implications of precedents on exercising the power of the presidency.

Don't ever discount the idea that the government, knowing that there really wasn't much of anything in the documents, didn't allow them to be released in order to push the American people along the path of withdrawal from this un-winable conflict.
 
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