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Wikileaks [MERGED]

rareboy said:
Don't ever discount the idea that the government, knowing that there really wasn't much of anything in the documents, didn't allow them to be released in order to push the American people along the path of withdrawal from this un-winable conflict.
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interestingly mainstream media currently seems to push into the other direction .. (almost ignoring the contents of the reports, only a focus on the punishment of the leaker, times magazine cover .. )
 
Pentagon Secret Files Leaked by WikiLeaks - Liberal Glee or Teasonous Whistleblower?

Not much, if anything has been said on this site about WikiLeak and their desire to leak secret Pentagon records.

From what I understand the files pretty much include top secret information about the war in Afghanistan. The previously linked files supposedly included name of informants, positive and negative war tactics, etc.

The new files that WikiLeaks are planning to release supposedly include even more secret information. Now WikiLeaks says that they are "scrubbing" the files to remove names of informants in Afghanistan and other information that could cause people to be killed.

I've read that some organizations that usually support these types of exposes have opposed these releases. However, the New York Times has made excuses for Bradley Manning, an Army intelligence specialist who copied the files saying that he had a bad childhood, was harrassed because he was gay. The eluded that this was his way of getting back at the establishment.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/09/us/09manning.html

Liberals celebrated the release of the Pentagon Papers from the VietNam War and honored Daniel Ellsberg as a hero. Why not now?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/13/AR2010081305820.html

Should we celebrate or imprison the whistle blower?

Frankly, I want the war over. Not sure if there is anything worth fighting for over there -- at least, I haven't heard an reasons recently why we should still be fighting America's longest war.
 
Re: Pentagon Secret Files Leaked by WikiLeaks - Liberal Glee or Teasonous Whistleblower?

Classified leaks in the Bush and Nixon Years got you a Pulitzer Prize, but with a Democrat President you're condemned. Manning should be tried for treason.

"Somebody called me a homo, let me get revenge by leaking thousands of classified documents".

What a loser.
 
Re: Pentagon Secret Files Leaked by WikiLeaks - Liberal Glee or Teasonous Whistleblower?

This is a really tough one to figure out. Let's keep in mind that the only thing he is accused of right now is leaking the video that shows American soldiers killing Afghan citizens. Go Bradley for releasing that! The press - and onlhy the press - has been implying that he released the other classified documents. They may be a different story, especially if they resulted in people being hurt, but so for Bradley has not been formally accused of that.
 
Re: Pentagon Secret Files Leaked by WikiLeaks - Liberal Glee or Teasonous Whistleblower?

Any leaking of raw intelligence data, which a lot of this material reportedly is, is dangerous in the extreme. Even if you black out names it is often possible to identify the source by the context. This gets people killed and it makes other sources dry up out of fear they will be exposed as well. A lot of people put their lives on the line to help us and it is just plain rotten to expose them like that. Whether you like the war or not this practice is just plain wrong.
 
Re: Pentagon Secret Files Leaked by WikiLeaks - Liberal Glee or Teasonous Whistleblower?

I don't have an issue with anybody publishing leaked material. It's their First Amendment right to do so. The person who leaked the material is in fact a traitor. He needs to be rooted out and summarily shot by a firing squad.
 
Re: Pentagon Secret Files Leaked by WikiLeaks - Liberal Glee or Teasonous Whistleblower?

moschj said:
This is a really tough one to figure out. Let's keep in mind that the only thing he is accused of right now is leaking the video that shows American soldiers killing Afghan citizens. Go Bradley for releasing that! The press - and onlhy the press - has been implying that he released the other classified documents.
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Thanks for underlining this again. It's amazing how much misinformation is spread on this topic.

also I don't want to quote the whole post from iiset, but he is a 100% dead on.
 
rareboy said:
1. Where do I say that I'm ashamed of his middle name? It is an honourable name. Like Laika, first dog fired into orbit. But we all do recognize it as a Fox device used to stir the passions of those who are the result of 4 generations of consanguinity in the whitest and/or southern parts of the US.

2. I'm sorry you weren't able to hang onto your job. Unpaid though it was. I would have that the party bosses would have loved having you around. I'm sure you bring joy wherever you go. So what are you doing now, before you return to the ivy covered halls in the fall, besides acting as a free lance apologist for Faux?

3. So, while hardly obsessed with your personal life, it is essential that you are kept in context, lest dear readers confuse you with someone of breadth or depth of experience. I love that you are a slightly post-pubescent republican intent on acquiring a matchbook cover diploma in poli-sci. At Columbia. No less.
But who wouldn't be intrigued. Unlike the sock-puppet Jack Springer and Justapixel avatars, you have a more interesting dimension.

4. I didn't make up the name teabagger. I just started using the term many of the Tea Party movement used to describe themselves. It is fair use. I don't see as how it is pejorative. Why do you? It is always interesting to see conservatives, with skin so thin you can read the National Review right through it, be able to bandy about all manner of terms in order to invalidate and diminish their opponents, but get their panties in such a bunch over the use of a nickname that was first used by the acolytes to the cause.
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Hey your fucking asshole. I'm just a regular guy -- I had to look up what "sock puppet" meant. I'm not a professional poster like you -- I have a life.

Fucking liberals always think they are the only ones that are entitled to an opinion and own the rights to intelligence.

Fuck off man!!
 
I realize there have been some variances of protocol in recent threads, but members who engage in excessive baiting or direct personal insults are in contravention of the Guidelines established for this sub forum. Please discuss the topic – NOT your fellow Jubbers.
 
oh by the way .. remember how assange said that they contacted the government for help in blacking out / censoring the names in the files that they withheld. but they didn't want to? and how that PR guy said that they never contacted them?

surprise!

turns out the government WAS actually contacted ..

..spokesmen for both the US Army and the Office of the Secretary of Defense denied that any such contacts had occurred. The office of the Army's general counsel, the military service's chief lawyer, has had "no contact with Julian Assange or any representative of WikiLeaks," said Col. Thomas Collins, an Army spokeman.

Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman went on to say that there was no "direct contact with WikiLeaks," and the DOD's only avenue of communicating with the site was "via the media."

That now appears to be untrue. In discussions with reporters later Wednesday at the Pentagon, Whitman clarified the military's position. According to Stars & Stripes DC bureau reporter Kevin Baron: "DOD just released a letter sent on Monday to an indivudual they 'came across' who was 'purporting' to be an atty for WikiLeaks." Whitman told the assembled reporters that the DOD had scheduled a phone conversation at 10 a.m. on Sunday, "but the atty did not show."
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http://motherjones.com/mojo/2010/08...kileaks-matusheski-lawyer-mississippi-assange

but it remains unclear if they spoke in the end, and if not why ..
 
Re: Pentagon Secret Files Leaked by WikiLeaks - Liberal Glee or Teasonous Whistleblower?

moschj said:
This is a really tough one to figure out. Let's keep in mind that the only thing he is accused of right now is leaking the video that shows American soldiers killing Afghan citizens. Go Bradley for releasing that! The press - and onlhy the press - has been implying that he released the other classified documents. They may be a different story, especially if they resulted in people being hurt, but so for Bradley has not been formally accused of that.
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That's not true. He is the only suspect in the leak of the 'war diary', and his activity in regards to seeking out classified information supports that.
 
you don't need to pollute this thread with infowars links as well. we already got all the info in this very thread.
 
Corny said:
you don't need to pollute this thread with infowars links as well. we already got all the info in this very thread.
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I can post any link that I feel like posting and as for polluting the forum, grow up Corny. Freedom of speech exists. Stop trying to strike up a conflict with me, I'm really sick of your ridicule. You made this personal, not me.
 
Ambrocious said:
I can post any link that I feel like posting and as for polluting the forum, grow up Corny. Freedom of speech exists. Stop trying to strike up a conflict with me, I'm really sick of your ridicule. You made this personal, not me.
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You do understand you're on a private forum and that your freedom of speech here is not guaranteed, right?

And he's right. All of the info you posted was already posted here, but yours links it back to infowars. A reasonable man might consider that spam. :rolleyes:
 
JB3 said:
You do understand you're on a private forum and that your freedom of speech here is not guaranteed, right?

And he's right. All of the info you posted was already posted here, but yours links it back to infowars. A reasonable man might consider that spam. :rolleyes:
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yep, true true. This forum is quiet lenient. :)
 
JB3 said:
You do understand you're on a private forum and that your freedom of speech here is not guaranteed, right?

And he's right. All of the info you posted was already posted here, but yours links it back to infowars. A reasonable man might consider that spam. :rolleyes:
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A reasonable man would suspect he's not reading the material posted, so he didn't know his links duplicated it.
 
maybe we need to formulate a new "godwin's law" for JUB .. something like "in every ce&p thread, eventually ambrocius will post some infowars link to the one and only truth" :roll:

anyway - back to topic .. they released a new document today. haven't had the time to read it yet, but sounds interesting:
This CIA "Red Cell" report from February 2, 2010, looks at what will happen if it is internationally understood that the United States is an exporter of terrorism; 'Contrary to common belief, the American export of terrorism or terrorists is not a recent phenomenon, nor has it been associated only with Islamic radicals or people of Middle Eastern, African or South Asian ethnic origin. This dynamic belies the American belief that our free, open and integrated multicultural society lessens the allure of radicalism and terrorism for US citizens.' The report looks at a number cases of US exported terrorism, including attacks by US based or financed Jewish, Muslim and Irish-nationalism terrorists. It concludes that foreign perceptions of the US as an "Exporter of Terrorism" together with US double standards in international law, may lead to noncooperation in renditions (including the arrest of CIA officers) and the decision to not share terrorism related intelligence with the United States.
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http://wikileaks.org/wiki/CIA_Red_Cell_Memorandum_on_United_States_"exporting_terrorism",_2_Feb_2010
 
Bradley Manning has made the repeal of DADT (which wasn't likely to happen), all but impossible now. Those who say homosexuals are too dangerous to have in the military, now they have someone they can point to... Bradley Manning.
 
^ Why that is just nonsense and everyone knows it.

If gays served openly in the military it would only strengthen the forces.

By your reasoning, if the guy had been black, no blacks should be in the military. If he'd been a woman, all women should be kicked out. Wait a minute. He's a white man. Maybe all white men should be discharged from the military.
 
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