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Will 3 Wisc. GOP Senators Fold to Defeat Walkers Koch-Backed Power Grab?

White Eagle said:
Thanks BP, my post about "what if" meant that if you look at who owns the WSJ and their record of spinning for the GOP, that article could very well be false for the reason I mentioned.
You come up with these answers awfully fast. I'm impressed!
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that was just off of the first page of a simple google search ;)

and thanks:cool:
 
From comments I've heard around town here, I think it would be interesting to have a national poll asking how many people would join a union now as opposed to three months ago. My guess is it would be significant.
 
Um...I'm hearing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about Madison and Wisconsin over the weekend...WTF???

That's NOT a good sign. Have the media collectively decided to completely hush it up, so that their big corporate buddies can get their way with abolition of unions?
 
^ This.

In the war of attrition, the boredom and short attention span of the American viewer will exact the heaviest toll.
 
Will he have them arrested?
 
There are a few high profile celebs that are going to the protests this week, so its going to be front and center again by wednesday.

The Press following will depend on the people involved of course...

Lending their support are the 2011 Super Bowl Champions, the Green Bay Packers. Notably, players Brady Poppinga and Jason Spitz and former Packers Curtis Fuller, Chris Jacke, Charles Jordan, Bob Long and Steve Okoniewski, who issued the following statement:

“We know that it is teamwork on and off the field that makes the Packers and Wisconsin great. As a publicly owned team we wouldn’t have been able to win the Super Bowl without the support of our fans. It is the same dedication of our public workers every day that makes Wisconsin run. They are the teachers, nurses and child care workers who take care of us and our families. But now in an unprecedented political attack Governor Walker is trying to take away their right to have a voice and bargain at work. The right to negotiate wages and benefits is a fundamental underpinning of our middle class. When workers join together it serves as a check on corporate power and helps ALL workers by raising community standards. Wisconsin’s long standing tradition of allowing public sector workers to have a voice on the job has worked for the state since the 1930s. It has created greater consistency in the relationship between labor and management and a shared approach to public work. These public workers are Wisconsin’s champions every single day and we urge the Governor and the State Legislature to not take away their rights.”​
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Read more: http://www.looktothestars.org/news/5826-tom-morello-joins-protests-in-wisconsin#ixzz1FwIwRzh9
 
Kulindahr said:
They should meet in neutral territory -- like Toronto. :badgrin:
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The leader of the 14 Democratic Wisconsin lawmakers who left the state to prevent a vote on budget plan that includes limits on public bargaining sent a letter to the Republican governor Monday asking for a meeting "near the Wisconsin-Illinois border."
But the group rejected reports published in The Wall Street Journal claiming that they were preparing to return, even without an agreement.
"Dems will return when collective bargaining is off the table," Sen. Chris Larson said in a posting to his Facebook page late Sunday night. "That could be soon based on the growing public opposition to the bill and the recall efforts against Republicans."
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I hope the dems have their own security present to protect them.

Kulindahr said:
Dang -- being in Wisconsin politics and having the Packers against you?

Walker should resign and go home.
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I know, right? the guy is just LOST. He has no possible way of coming back from these first months in office. He will be recalled or he will resign, but he wont serve out his term.
 
BostonPirate said:
I hope the dems have their own security present to protect them.
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Is there anything to stop Walker and the rest from tricking the 14 to come back? Like tell them collective bargaining is off the table, but do another vote like they did the other day at 1:00am. Was that vote even legal?
 
Thynight said:
Is there anything to stop Walker and the rest from tricking the 14 to come back? Like tell them collective bargaining is off the table, but do another vote like they did the other day at 1:00am. Was that vote even legal?
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no

without a quorum, walker is ruling by fiat, as a state dictator
 
Thynight said:
I'm saying if he can get them back by lying to them. He would then have a quorum, but would it be legal?
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yes it happened to Abe Lincoln when he was a state senator.

The opposition offered to end his party walkout that stopped a quorum with a good faith offer to negotiate.

Abe went back and as soon as he walked in, they opened the vote. He jumped from the window to avoid the quorum, but it was decided that since he was there to open with a quorum, his absence after that was just a not decided vote.

If they go back without a firm commitment to stop the union busting, he WILL play them the same way.

Walker stated that was his intention in the fake walker/koch tapes.
 
BostonPirate said:
yes it happened to Abe Lincoln when he was a state senator.

The opposition offered to end his party walkout that stopped a quorum with a good faith offer to negotiate.

Abe went back and as soon as he walked in, they opened the vote. He jumped from the window to avoid the quorum, but it was decided that since he was there to open with a quorum, his absence after that was just a not decided vote.

If they go back without a firm commitment to stop the union busting, he WILL play them the same way.

Walker stated that was his intention in the fake walker/koch tapes.
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Thanks. That is what I thought and now I know why I have been hearing a lot about Lincoln when it comes to this story. I kept catching it at almost the end.
 
I like the way the Packers and Wisconsin work together both for the team and the state. I cannot see anyway Walker will pass this bill.
Maybe the Packers can use him in practice.
 
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