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Will unemployment benefits be extended?

xbuzzerx said:
That's rather convenient from someone who worked minimum wage for 1 year at some obscure year in their past. (It was probably worth more then than it is now, btw.)
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Obscure year? Hardly that. I was 16 and had just graduated from high school. I worked for one year before going off to college.
It doesn't really matter what the year was. Then as now, minimum wage wasn't designed to be lived on.
 
HenryReardon said:
When unions posit the threat of a strike, all semblance of bargaining goes out the window. It is coercion, plain and simple.
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But according to you people refusing to work for wages that are too low is the natural way wages should be driven up.
 
HenryReardon said:
Obscure year? Hardly that. I was 16 and had just graduated from high school. I worked for one year before going off to college.
It doesn't really matter what the year was. Then as now, minimum wage wasn't designed to be lived on.
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If there were enough non-minimum wage jobs that paid enough for a decent self-sufficiency we wouldn't be here talking. Emergency rooms weren't designed for every single ailment of people without insurance but that's the situation created when there isn't enough reasonable access to better resources for everyone.
 
xbuzzerx said:
Weren't you just arguing a bit back that we've moved beyond feudal zero-sum economics?
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Yes. Zero sum or feudal economics assumes there a limited total income. If the landlord wants more, the peasants get less, and vice versa. Very dissimilar to what I just described.
 
HenryReardon said:
When unions posit the threat of a strike, all semblance of bargaining goes out the window. It is coercion, plain and simple.
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What other teeth do unions have to force management to the bargaining table?

And on a snarkier note, was the GOP tactic of shutting the government down for not recieving the demanded concessions the exact same way unions operate when they strike?
 
Benvolio said:
Yes. Zero sum or feudal economics assumes there a limited total income. If the landlord wants more, the peasants get less, and vice versa. Very dissimilar to what I just described.
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All you did was simply wave your hand and say immigration sucks up jobs faster than they are created. So far as anyone here has any reason to believe, you made that up out of thin air.
 
xbuzzerx said:
All you did was simply wave your hand and say immigration sucks up jobs faster than they are created. So far as anyone here has any reason to believe, you made that up out of thin air.
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As always, you missed the point. The new arrivals--a million a year legally -- would absorb all or most of the new employment opportunities which Kulindahr speculates. Since his is only a hypothetical or speculative number it it not possible to be exact, but the point is valid that we cannot project lower unemployment.
 
xbuzzerx said:
But according to you people refusing to work for wages that are too low is the natural way wages should be driven up.
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That is correct. If you don't like the pay, don't take the job. There are other jobs out there.
 
Benvolio said:
As always, you missed the point. The new arrivals--a million a year legally -- would absorb all or most of the new employment opportunities which Kulindahr speculates. Since his is only a hypothetical or speculative number it it not possible to be exact, but the point is valid that we cannot project lower unemployment.
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We can however dismiss your notion that jobs being created in several levels of the economy are inordinately unlikely to be filled wholly or even mostly by freshly arrived immigrants.
 
HenryReardon said:
That is correct. If you don't like the pay, don't take the job. There are other jobs out there.
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So as prices around you, inflation and the cost of living all rise, and you and literally everyone else in your industry or under your employer are in exactly the same situation of having fallen into a perhaps even net-loss income compared to when you first accepted the job, there is no room for any reasonable bargaining for new wages. It is incumbent upon all of those people to simply quit, even if that will cost them their homes or housing or put them completely out of money by the end of a month.

I hope you realize the reason that your party is exiled from real political power.
 
xbuzzerx said:
We can however dismiss your notion that jobs being created in several levels of the economy are inordinately unlikely to be filled wholly or even mostly by freshly arrived immigrants.
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Of course,I do not claim the immigrant will fill all the new jobs. The point is that unemployment will not be reduced if immigrants equal or exceed the number of new jobs created.
 
Republicans are not excluded from power, they control the House. GWBush was Pres for eight years 6 years ago and the gross incompetence and bad faith of Obama and the Dems makes another complete sweep of Congress this year very probable.
 
Benvolio said:
Republicans are not excluded from power, they control the House. GWBush was Pres for eight years 6 years ago and the gross incompetence and bad faith of Obama and the Dems makes another complete sweep of Congress this year very probable.
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You guys said this about Obama's re-election, you know. While continuing to endorse the same policies people have voted against twice now.
 
HenryReardon said:
That is correct. If you don't like the pay, don't take the job. There are other jobs out there.
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Who's going to bring you your food, check you out at the cash register and pick the vegetables you like to eat? Not everyone can be an doctor, lawyer or architect. We have to ensure everyone is paid a living wage.
 
Benvolio said:
Discrimination lawsuits … are a part of what the company pays for labor.
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No. Discrimination lawsuits are what a company pays for wrongdoing.
 
CowboyBob said:
Who's going to bring you your food, check you out at the cash register and pick the vegetables you like to eat? Not everyone can be an doctor, lawyer or architect. We have to ensure everyone is paid a living wage.
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You're talking about extremes. There are plenty of jobs available between those extremes.
 
xbuzzerx said:
I hope you realize the reason that your party is exiled from real political power.
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My party???? For the record, I don't have a party. Even in college, I was what is known as a GDI. Today, I mostly side with the LIbertarians.
 
HenryReardon said:
You're talking about extremes. There are plenty of jobs available between those extremes.
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No, I'm talking about people who bring you your food, check you out at the cash register and pick the vegetables you like to eat, not an extreme. Who's going to fill those jobs when the "plenty of jobs available between those extremes" are filled.

We have to insure everyone gets a living wage.
 
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