Wisconsin Republicans expected to repeal Domestic Partnerships

[Edward Twinkletoes]

I supported the conservatives because of the individual mandate in Obamacare. And like the Pelosi unit, I have no regrets.

Next time the Dems have a majority (if there is a next time) and you want them to keep it, maybe you should remember that most people in this country are not batshit crazy and will see forcing people to buy things as kind of a creepy thing to do.

Being a Democrat doesn't mean you have to stay in formation with them when they go crazy.

 

[Seasoned]

^ This is a thread about Wisconsin. And you can vote anyway you choose. I suppose there were some Jews who were early supporters of the Nazis due to their economic polies.

 

[Edward Twinkletoes]

^ This is a thread about Wisconsin.

Last time I checked, Wisconsin was still in the United States. When your senators and congressmen vote for something like Obamacare, it has consequences.

 

[rareboy]

Why am I not surprised that some of the far right avatar(s) try to derail the topic with Obamacare?

It was pretty much what I suspected.

Confuse the issue of repealing rights for homos with other stuff and try to make it seem related.

 

[Kulindahr]

I'm supposedly showing ignorance when you have church members asking a gardener doctrine questions and you presume to answer them rather than refer them to the pastor?

No Church subsidies?? OMFG! Hello. They don't pay taxes.

More ignorance: if you see someone working at a church, you expect that you're seeing a fellow believer, of whom questions may be asked, from whom advice and support may be sought.
Any church where you have to refer all doctrinal questions to the pastor is a very unhealthy entity. If everything revolves around a central authority, it's not much of a church, it's more of a circus where the head honcho can get away with all sorts of things (think RC priests and fundie pastors).

Why churches don't pay certain sorts of taxes is pretty simple: so they don't have that financial influence on government. Especially with today's mega-churches, you'd get politicians scrambling to do the bidding of the people generating all that money; we'd see real subsidies when a preacher was thinking of building a new multi-multi-million dollar new facility, just like we see when a sports team talks about it -- they'd expect the government to buy them the land, and that would be just for starters.

Taxing churches when it's a religious function involved would be madness.

Yeah, like winning the votes of critical thinkers.

Muddled thinkers, or non-thinkers, more like: it's not possible to be critical about something when even the people who got it through have to wait until after it's passed and turned over to the bureaucrats and lawyers to find out what they just did.

 

[Seasoned]

^ Name calling is sooo sophisticated and very Christ-like. I say bring on the madness and tax. I'd rather see money if I have to hear their lip everytime I turn on the TV. Not influencing government!?! Really? With sermons and organized rallies and candidates speaking from stages (I was going to write pulpits, but face it these aren't really Churches). They're PACs using the name Church and have a political agenda.

The mistake our nation made with religion that other nations have corrected is that we allow them to perform the civil portion of marriage and now they act as if they have the right to regulate it for all of us.

I feel sorry for all the LGBT kids trapped inside those buildings. They need to know they are ok No matter what the parent, pastor, teacher, janitor or gardener is telling them. Let's picket the ignorant Churches who need to put down in order to feel better.

 

[Zeno Lorea]

^ This is a thread about Wisconsin. And you can vote anyway you choose. I suppose there were some Jews who were early supporters of the Nazis due to their economic polies.

I can second that, I descend from them.

 

[MoltenRock III]

And so the hate wins.

Led by Republicans.

Yup!

I have had people who voted Republitard this past cycle tell me that "Republicans have changed". And look at the fools now. Same shit, different Congress. Tax cuts for the rich, and hate the gays using God and guns as fund raisers.

Any gay man that voted for Republicans in this past cycle is an utter mindless fool.

 

[Kulindahr]

Any gay man that voted for Republicans in this past cycle is an utter mindless fool.

I suspect that far more gays just didn't vote.

 

[KTheLibra]

One wonders where they find energy and room for so much hatred of their fellow men.

Most of them are religious wackos, so that's an easy question to answer. The Bible. It's more full of hatred and evil than anything.

 

[frankfrank]

Last time I checked, Wisconsin was still in the United States. When your senators and congressmen vote for something like Obamacare, it has consequences.

And when [if] a legislature in a place like Wisconsin votes for this shit, it has consequences as well. It shows NOM and other such organizations that they can still succeed in their efforts to continue toward recrim on simply being gay, which is where it would end if they got their way.

No, it WOULDN'T end there. It wouldn't end, for them, until every last gay person was sent to the ovens.

 

[Kulindahr]

Most of them are religious wackos, so that's an easy question to answer. The Bible. It's more full of hatred and evil than anything.

Yeah -- "love one another", "love your neighbor as yourself", "be merciful", and those things are really hateful.

Their problem is they don't actually read the Bible, they mine it for items to feed their bigotry, like it was a smorgasbord.

Morons.

 

[MoltenRock III]

Yeah -- "love one another", "love your neighbor as yourself", "be merciful", and those things are really hateful.

Their problem is they don't actually read the Bible, they mine it for items to feed their bigotry, like it was a smorgasbord.

Morons.

Let's be honest the "Old Testament" is every bit as bad as the older portions of the Qu'ran. It's all the same bullshit if you really read the two manuscripts. "An eye for an eye, stoning family members, incest, et al...".

 

[Kulindahr]

I'd probably look at Mishlei as the most interesting book but the rest of it really is what it is, Bronze Age/Iron Age justice, and further I would not rely on a book with such a skewed and antiquated perspective on justice as the Bible does for any method of distinguishing between right and wrong. Humanity grew up a bit when our founding fathers wrote the Constitution, and a bit more in the civil rights era. The Bible's day for guiding mankind came and went a very long time ago.

Mankind has yet to even get close to the guidance provided by the Bible.

The Family Research Council and most of the Republican Party (at least near the top) are cases in point. The fact that we even have to consider a government-imposed health plan is another -- if our 'Christians' actually adhered to the Bible, they'd be lining up to establish endowments to take care of anyone with an income less than 2/3 of the median.

 

[Kulindahr]

Thank goodness!

So you think mercy, justice, fighting for the downtrodden, and love are primitive things and you're glad we've escaped them?

 

[hotatlboi]

Mankind has yet to even get close to the guidance provided by the Bible.

Yes, thankfully we haven't devolved back to that level yet.

 

[Kulindahr]

Oh my God yes that is exactly what I said

Cherry picking a little bit cafeteria Christianity style?

I see you subscribe to the Fred Phelps school of interpretation: toss the Bible in the food processor and then pick your favorite pieces.

A little lesson on how to read:

1. Biblical ethics are this: love God, and love your neighbor as yourself. That's it -- Jesus says so, and I presume He's the authority on the subject.
2. In case you didn't get 1, none of the Old Testament applies except don't murder and a few other things -- the Holy Spirit said so, and I presume He knows what He's talking about.

So, yes, that's exactly what you said: to reject the Bible's ethics is to reject love, justice, mercy, compassion, generosity, etc.

 

[Kulindahr]

Yes, thankfully we haven't devolved back to that level yet.

The mere existence of rich people in society is proof that we haven't even gotten close to the Bible's standards. That we even have to consider the possibility of the government getting involved in health care is more proof.

And the fact that people aren't stumbling over each other to be absolutely sure that gays are in no way treated as less than they themselves is more than sufficient.


If any of the Republicans in Congress really were Christians, they wouldn't be multi-millionaires, and they'd be taking great joy in escorting gays to the podium to speak their pieces, and then endorsing every bill we might think of to guarantee equality before the law.

That's all found in "Love your neighbor as yourself".

 

[hotatlboi]

The mere existence of rich people in society is proof that we haven't even gotten close to the Bible's standards.

You can't take one topic and make it a microcosm for everything contained in the book.

I could say "the mere fact that we've eliminated slavery is proof that we've surpassed the Bible's standards", and I'm sure you'd disagree with that.

 

[CowboyBob]

Laika and Fasteddy's absence in this thread is conspicuous.

Will somebody please go out and grab their fat asses to come in here?

No, no, no, no..... Johann

The less we hear from them the better.