Would of, Should of, Could of

[quasar]

Centex uses 'Y'all' a lot at Mod Towers. He also uses all kinds of other words and phrases and 'contraptions' - but that's a different thread altogether!

 

[BINOWGAYLATER]

I have two brotherS-in-law, not two brother-in-lawS

 

[Centexfarmer]

Centex uses 'Y'all' a lot at Mod Towers. He also uses all kinds of other words and phrases and 'contraptions' - but that's a different thread altogether!

Not to be confused with a good colloquialism.

 

[BINOWGAYLATER]

Centex uses 'Y'all' a lot at Mod Towers. He also uses all kinds of other words and phrases and 'contraptions' - but that's a different thread altogether!

now you're talking ! Wish he'd get nekked and show us his contraptions !! I hear he has some bitchin' ones !!

Cool Beans !!

 

[gsdx]

Ooh, Ooh. What about 'y'all?' I say it a lot. XD But then again, I'm from Texas.

If you can accept a Canuckian "eh?", then I can certainly accept a Texan "Y'all".

 

[ozguy]

and while we're at it !! -- writing is one thing - pronounciation is another.

some letters are SILENT people !!!

.... and some letters aren't!!

e.g. .... "herb" being pronounced "erb" .... and yes, it's you bloody Americans again!!!

LEARN TO SAY YOUR AITCHES WHEN YOU'RE MEANT TO!!!

And please note: 'H' is pronounced 'aitch', not 'haitch'!!

 

[Telstra]

I believe everyone is trying their best writing English.

No need to complain ..............................

 

[Críostóir]

.... and some letters aren't!!

e.g. .... "herb" being pronounced "erb" .... and yes, it's you bloody Americans again!!!

LEARN TO SAY YOUR AITCHES WHEN YOU'RE MEANT TO!!!

And please note: 'H' is pronounced 'aitch', not 'haitch'!!

'Herb' (with the H pronounced) is a man's name. 'Herb' (with the H unpronounced) is the leaf of an aromatic plant.

And if you want us to pronounce that H, you can bloody well start pronouncing your R's after vowels!

That's right, I'm telling you to show me your R's!!!!

 

[gsdx]

I've never heard anyone say 'haitch'.

The fair lady who said, "In 'ertford, 'ereford, and 'ampshire, 'urricanes 'ardly ever 'appen." She said 'haitch'.

 

[Críostóir]

The fair lady who said, "In 'ertford, 'ereford, and 'ampshire, 'urricanes 'ardly ever 'appen." She said 'haitch'.

But she's 'ardly an hexample to hemulate.

 

[pat grimshaw]

This thread looks like a meeting of the Grammar-Nazi Party. We can all clutch our pearls and wag our finger at everyone else.

I’d like to mention one of my bête noires…and that’s that the certain four-letter word which is used as an adjective, noun and verb whenever one's too lazy to use the correct one. Here are a few local examples~


‘I get happy when looking through your fæces’

‘I love doing that kinda random excrement when crossing the state borders'

‘Misogynist gays love hanging their fæces on lesbians’

'I love this fæces! Food would be so boring without Sriracha Sauce.'

‘That song, your blonde fuzzy ass and a bottle of red wine…now THATS the excrement!’

‘NASA has got no business up there. This fæces needs to be defunded and shut down'

 

[gsdx]

I’d like to mention one of my bête noires

I don't think I've ever been a Grammar Nazi in French before.

'Bête' is singular. 'Noires' is plural.

So, if it's only one black beast, then the French is 'bête noire'.

(If it was just a typo, then never mind.)

 

[bankside]

They are herbs and spices, not erbs and spices.

"Y'all" is an acceptable contraction of "you all." Unfortunately, "you all" is barbarous to begin with, thus contracting it is not really any better...

Bankside has spoken.

 

[gsdx]

"Y'all" is an acceptable contraction of "you all." Unfortunately, "you all" is barbarous to begin with, thus contracting it is not really any better...

I've actually heard it twice in succession. I can't remember the programme or who said it, but he said, "I'm just here to say 'hi, y'all', y'all."

 

[Críostóir]

They are herbs and spices, not erbs and spices.

"Y'all" is an acceptable contraction of "you all." Unfortunately, "you all" is barbarous to begin with, thus contracting it is not really any better...

Bankside has spoken.

All I have to say is: you'd better be pronouncing the R after a vowel.

And I assume you're using the word 'barbarous' in its most classical sense: "not like my tribe." It's a specifically plural second person, which the standard dialects of English lack (along with good imperfectives, but that's another post entirely). My native dialect doesn't have it, but I've adopted it into my idiolect when I want to be specific.

I've actually heard it twice in succession. I can't remember the programme or who said it, but he said, "I'm just here to say 'hi, y'all', y'all."

Well, that's a possible construction, as is "Hiya, everybody!" in my native dialect. But might you have heard "all y'all"? That's equivalent to our "all of you" (or my current location's "all of youse"). All, meaning everyone; y'all, meaning you-plural.

 

[Stoowii]

.... and some letters aren't!!

e.g. .... "herb" being pronounced "erb" .... and yes, it's you bloody Americans again!!!

LEARN TO SAY YOUR AITCHES WHEN YOU'RE MEANT TO!!!

And please note: 'H' is pronounced 'aitch', not 'haitch'!!

Like when some people pronounce it "YOUston" instead of the correct "Houston."

Also, the unnecessary pronunciation of the h, before the w (or at all) in "while" as "hwile."

 

[bankside]

My objection to that is that "you" is already the second-person plural.

If one wants to speak unambiguously with reference to a singular second-person, one can always use "thou."

And if that seems too awkward or like too much trouble, it's because in everyday speech, it is never usually so ambiguous that it would be worth the bother.

Which, of course, pulls the rug out from under the reasoning given for inventing (another) second-person plural; we're really just fine with "you," and if we aren't then use the actual singular form, instead of pretending the plural is a singular and inventing a new "plural."

Thus, it is "you," period. Not "you all" or "y'all."

 

[Críostóir]

Like when some people pronounce it "YOUston" instead of the correct "Houston."

That's another dialect thing. Can't we distinguish between when people are actually getting something wrong, and just saying "my dialect is better than yours"? Some dialects can't have an H in that position (the phonology won't allow it). They say YOUge for 'huge' too.

And btw the city in Texas is HEW-stun, but the street in New York is HOW-stun. And the streetname spelled 'Avenue of the Americas' in NYC is pronounced "Sixth Avenue."

Also, the unnecessary pronunciation of the h, before the w (or at all) in "while" as "hwile."

Considered more correct as recently as the 1970s and still is, in some areas. Pronouncing 'wile' (as in feminine wiles) and 'while' identically was considered declasse.

 

[Críostóir]

My objection to that is that "you" is already the second-person plural.

If one wants to speak unambiguously with reference to a singular second-person, one can always use "thou."

And if that seems too awkward or like too much trouble, it's because in everyday speech, it is never usually so ambiguous that it would be worth the bother.

Which, of course, pulls the rug out from under the reasoning given for inventing (another) second-person plural; we're really just fine with "you," and if we aren't then use the actual singular form, instead of pretending the plural is a singular and inventing a new "plural."

Thus, it is "you," period. Not "you all" or "y'all."

OK, you want to go back to English as it was spoken in the time of King James. Be consistent then.

But if we're speaking MODERN English, 'you' is both singular and plural in the standard dialects (all of them).

Things change. Get used to it.

Not that some changes don't suck. I personally hate the fact that 'awesome' just means 'kind of nice' now, but I just have to eat that; the ship has sailed.

 

[Stoowii]

That's another dialect thing. Can't we distinguish between when people are actually getting something wrong, and just saying "my dialect is better than yours"? Some dialects can't have an H in that position (the phonology won't allow it). They say YOUge for 'huge' too.

And btw the city in Texas is HEW-stun, but the street in New York is HOW-stun. And the streetname spelled 'Avenue of the Americas' in NYC is pronounced "Sixth Avenue."



Considered more correct as recently as the 1970s and still is, in some areas. Pronouncing 'wile' (as in feminine wiles) and 'while' identically was considered declasse.

Yeah, that's what I meant: 'HEW-ston.' But I didn't think I had to explain since I thought it was a given. XD

And the HOW-ston thing, yeah, I remember Ellen had an assistant on her show whose name was Houston but pronounced HOW-ston. Being from HEW-ston, I automatically thought it was pronounced the same as the city. xp