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Y2K - Two Questions

TickTockMan

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Where did you ring in the new year and did any of your electronics at home or work give you any issues?



I rang in the new year in LA and flew home 1/1/00. It was me, one other guy and the flight crew. Totally strange, but a nice flight.


Electronics wise nothing happened that I noticed, but I hardly used tech at the time.
 
I can't remember any issues.

Your flight sounds peaceful yet a bit eerie.
 
I was a programmer, and I worked my butt off for two years fixing stupid Y2K problems that shouldn't have existed in the first place. Every other programmer I know did the same. Then we were up for nearly three days (12/31, 1/1, 1/2) monitoring our systems to make sure everything had rolled over correctly. Listen. Y2K was potentially a very serious problem that was averted by innumerable people who worked together and fixed it in time.

But you know what the worst part is? When almost nothing happened, people even started being angry and saying the whole thing was a waste of time and the media got the public all excited over nothing because almost nothing happened. This is incredibly wrong and insulting. Some very bad things could have happened. But they didn't happen because we fixed the problem. Y2K was a huge, major success...because almost nothing happened. What could have happened, could have shut down a lot of critical systems, nationwide.

So no, the systems I was responsible did not have any issues because I had fixed the problems.
 
I was a programmer, and I worked my butt off for two years fixing stupid Y2K problems that shouldn't have existed in the first place. Every other programmer I know did the same. Then we were up for nearly three days (12/31, 1/1, 1/2) monitoring our systems to make sure everything had rolled over correctly. Listen. Y2K was potentially a very serious problem that was averted by innumerable people who worked together and fixed it in time.

But you know what the worst part is? When almost nothing happened, people even started being angry and saying the whole thing was a waste of time and the media got the public all excited over nothing because almost nothing happened. This is incredibly wrong and insulting. Some very bad things could have happened. But they didn't happen because we fixed the problem. Y2K was a huge, major success...because almost nothing happened. What could have happened, could have shut down a lot of critical systems, nationwide.

So no, the systems I was responsible did not have any issues because I had fixed the problems.


Thanks for the post.


People seem to forget that for some things to go right a lot of work has to go into it.
 
cityboy-sti is correct. I worked in I.T. and Y2K took a lot of work to work through all the potential pitfalls. The company I worked for at that time only had 1 program fail when the new year arrived. The program was shut down and then fixed. The program wasn't a critical program.
 
I was a programmer, and I worked my butt off for two years fixing stupid Y2K problems that shouldn't have existed in the first place. Every other programmer I know did the same. Then we were up for nearly three days (12/31, 1/1, 1/2) monitoring our systems to make sure everything had rolled over correctly. Listen. Y2K was potentially a very serious problem that was averted by innumerable people who worked together and fixed it in time.

But you know what the worst part is? When almost nothing happened, people even started being angry and saying the whole thing was a waste of time and the media got the public all excited over nothing because almost nothing happened. This is incredibly wrong and insulting. Some very bad things could have happened. But they didn't happen because we fixed the problem. Y2K was a huge, major success...because almost nothing happened. What could have happened, could have shut down a lot of critical systems, nationwide.

So no, the systems I was responsible did not have any issues because I had fixed the problems.

Exactly - thanks to the work of countless programmers, plus much needed system upgrades, nothing major happened as we left the 20th century.

I spent New Years 2000 at home with all three of my televisions on all night/day showing celebrations around the world. Not even a cough from the electrical grid!
 
I hope you're being sarcastic. Because otherwise, that is really offensive. Some of the things I fixed, could have brought down the phone system of one of the major carriers. Y2K was a complete success.
I think the media made it a horror story. Planes were going to fall out of the sky. Instead of doing stories on people like you that were working on the problems they made it out to be Armageddon
 
I was actually hoping for a little chaos.
 
I think the media made it a horror story. Planes were going to fall out of the sky. Instead of doing stories on people like you that were working on the problems they made it out to be Armageddon


That is why I flew back home 1/1/00. Tickets were so cheap.

I started the job I would end up getting hurt at in 2002. It was a grocery store. Talking with my boss he told me they could not keep the place stocked. It is one of only a couple grocery stores in the US that stock nightly, but my boss told me they were selling out of almost everything for a week leading up to Y2K. Supposedly they were ordering water trucks full of water nightly as well for two weeks before Y2K. People were freaking out.
 
I spent Y2K at Disneyland with my best friend. I still remember people not being sure if everything was going to be okay. As the year turned, we wondered if all the electricity would go out. Turned out everything was fine. Good memories. :)
 
I woke up very early and went upstairs to see the sun coming up. It was cold and I couldn't see it from there :(
 
Where did you ring in the new year and did any of your electronics at home or work give you any issues?



I rang in the new year in LA and flew home 1/1/00. It was me, one other guy and the flight crew. Totally strange, but a nice flight.


Electronics wise nothing happened that I noticed, but I hardly used tech at the time.
*sigh*

So, to clear things up. The reason Y2K came and went without a problem was because everybody in the tech industry spent billions to fix the bug to make sure nothing happened.

Imagine this. An engineer finds out something wrong with a bridge and the bridge will collapse soon. Unless we repair it. So we spend the money to repair it. Then... nothing happened. Therefore, should we assume that since the bridge didn't collapse that it was a waste of money to repair it? See how ridiculous this line of logic is?

To this day, I still find people ranting on and on about how y2k wasn't real because nothing happened. Wtf? Nothing happened because everybody in the industry spent billions to make sure nothing happened!
 
I hope you're being sarcastic. Because otherwise, that is really offensive. Some of the things I fixed, could have brought down the phone system of one of the major carriers. Y2K was a complete success.
My brother is into IT. He said his team worked around the clock fixing things that would definitely have brought down the communication lines had they not fixed them. Everybody in the IT industry at the time spent serious time making sure nothing would happen.
 
The other side of this though is that there were millions of electronic items with digital systems not connected to any network that were also supposed to just automatically fail at midnight on Jan1, 2000. This also apparently included medical devices.

And they didn't.

We're all so grateful for the people that just did their job and corrected the oversight in their own communications and energy networks etc., but the whole thing was way overhyped and overblown in the media.

And a lot of companies sold a lot of stuff preying on the fears of people expecting Armageddon.
 
We're all so grateful for the people that just did their job and corrected the oversight in their own communications and energy networks etc., but the whole thing was way overhyped and overblown in the media.

And a lot of companies sold a lot of stuff preying on the fears of people expecting Armageddon.

There was no way to know if it was being overhyped until after it happened, and, for the reasons Dominus and many others have laid out, nobody wanted to take that chance. And, in the media, I do think there was an element of pushing it on purpose in order to combat most people's innate inertia and motivate them, and their companies, to upgrade or at least check.

And it really was silly, in 1998 and '99, for places to have computer software unable to distinguish between 1908 and 2008.
 
There was no way to know if it was being overhyped until after it happened, and, for the reasons Dominus and many others have laid out, nobody wanted to take that chance. And, in the media, I do think there was an element of pushing it on purpose in order to combat most people's innate inertia and motivate them, and their companies, to upgrade or at least check.

And it really was silly, in 1998 and '99, for places to have computer software unable to distinguish between 1908 and 2008.

You demonstrated the problem and didn't even realize, I bet. Was it silly in 1998 and 1899? 1699? 2099? You know, that you meant 1999 because you are a human and did not even think about it. The computer doesn't. The computer only knows 99 is less 1998.

Y2K was 24 and a half years ago. How much memory and disk were in your Windows '95 computer back then? In the 70s, 80s, 90s, storage and memory were at a premium and some of the software in big businesses was already 20 years old. Data everywhere in business and even home systems has, in total, zillions of dates for transactions and records. Due to physical system constraints, saving storage and memory was critical. In 1985 the date for today, Aug 4, would have been stored as '850804' instead of '19850804'. Not storing '19' saved a lot of much-needed internal space that was thought to be redundant, when added up. Every byte counted. If they printed something, '19' was appended at print time to make the date 1985. That's basically why it happened.

It all worked fine until the date was '991231' and suddenly tomorrow is '000101' ...oops. Computers look at that value numerically, and numerically 101 < 991231. Big problem! All the date calculations stop working accurately. Today was before yesterday. Critical systems like air traffic, communications, energy, banking, transportation, medical records, suddenly do not have the right date. Every freaking new timestamp in every freaking database and data file is f'ed up. It was a humongous problem and risk.

And you can't just fix the programs to have 4 digit instead of 2 digit dates, and move on. You have to fix years and years of data files as well. You have to convert all that stuff so that it is all compatible and all positioned and aligned correctly and in the right places. Adding 2 digits to the year shifts the position of all the data after it. Programs and data files must account for it. Because, depending on the application, you are also reading, last months, last years, or 10 years worth of data, while adding the current.

Then you have to test multiple iterations of all that stuff so that you know, going forward, you have not dropped something. If you test right, you also run an entire cycle that simulates the flip from 1999 to 2000. Then at some point, you have to cut over all of your new data files, databases, and programs (hopefully well before New Year's Eve). You have to pull out all the old data and programs, and put in the new ones. In a big corporate setting, that can involve thousands of data files and programs. Miss one, and you're screwed. It was a massive undertaking.

No one, NO ONE, who was a programmer took it for granted. We all knew it was doom if this date problem was not fixed. It was not a matter of just taking a chance. We KNEW. I don't think Y2K was over-hyped as much as it was exploited. Some took advantage of a very serious situation and media did a poor job of accurately explaining it. That's unfortunate. I don't think anyone, except for those of us who were down in the trenches fixing this thing, really understands the magnitude and scope of the problem, or the potential disaster that could have happened if it wasn't fixed. The fact that Y2K was fixed, with minimal impact, is an incredible success story.

Okay...I could go on, but this already too long. I hope you all understand.
 
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