"You can't debate about religion without being rude"

[FirmaFan]

He is a university Professor for goodness sake.
No one accept him as a guru. ONLY you.

Kalli has regressed to nothing more than an internet troll. His actions are the fundamental basics of trolling. He is not interested in civil conversation, he is only interested in pissing those who do not share his beliefs off. It doesn't matter how many times you attempt to correct him, he is never going to stop. That is what he does.

 

[mightbe]

You may well speak for your self.........

Nope. That's Oscar Wilde. His words.

Here's MY humorous adaptation: "I think man, in creating God, somewhat overestimated his ability."

 

[zoltanspawn]

Kalli has regressed to nothing more than an internet troll. His actions are the fundamental basics of trolling. He is not interested in civil conversation, he is only interested in pissing those who do not share his beliefs off. It doesn't matter how many times you attempt to correct him, he is never going to stop. That is what he does.

It seems to me like oftentimes we have the most trouble discussing things with people we disagree with.

I don't share your assessment. Mind you, Telstra (to whom you reply) is also frequently called a troll in almost exactly this fashion.

 

[FirmaFan]

It seems to me like oftentimes we have the most trouble discussing things with people we disagree with.

I don't share your assessment. Mind you, Telstra (to whom you reply) is also frequently called a troll in almost exactly this fashion.

If there is some greater argumentative purpose or point to Kalli constantly calling atheists dogmatic followers of the profit and guru Dawkins, please elaborate. Otherwise, it seems like nothing more than an attempt to enrage, rather than enlighten.

 

[Telstra]

If there is some greater argumentative purpose or point to Kalli constantly calling atheists dogmatic followers of the profit and guru Dawkins, please elaborate. Otherwise, it seems like nothing more than an attempt to enrage, rather than enlighten.

I don't think he is a troll,
but constantly calling people Militant, Zealous, Atheism is a religion ... etc is not correct and can be annoying.

 

[FirmaFan]

I don't think he is a troll,
but constantly calling people Militant, Zealous, Atheism is a religion ... etc is not correct and can be annoying.

The only way I would not consider some of his posts trolling is if he actually believed that atheists were dogmatic followers of Dawkins, whom is considered profit and guru of the atheist religion. I do not believe this to be the case. It would be insulting to Kalli's intelligence to think he actually believed that. Maybe I am giving him too much credit, but I don't think so.

 

[bankside]

The only way I would not consider some of his posts trolling is if he actually believed that atheists were dogmatic followers of Dawkins, whom is considered profit and guru of the atheist religion. I do not believe this to be the case. It would be insulting to Kalli's intelligence to think he actually believed that. Maybe I am giving him too much credit, but I don't think so.

I should point out that I have seen some people refer to themselves as atheists with reasoning similar to "I used to believe in god but then my granddaughter died of leukaemia and I could never believe in a god who would allow that to happen so I am an atheist."

That's a rather dogmatic view of atheism, but I actually don't think this person is an atheist; they are an aggrieved theist.

 

[Telstra]

The only way I would not consider some of his posts trolling is if he actually believed that atheists were dogmatic followers of Dawkins, whom is considered profit and guru of the atheist religion. I do not believe this to be the case. It would be insulting to Kalli's intelligence to think he actually believed that. Maybe I am giving him too much credit, but I don't think so.

I'm not sure if he know what Atheist means LOL
He thinks it is a person who believe in non belief which doesn't make sense.

 

[FirmaFan]

I should point out that I have seen some people refer to themselves as atheists with reasoning similar to "I used to believe in god but then my granddaughter died of leukaemia and I could never believe in a god who would allow that to happen so I am an atheist."

That's a rather dogmatic view of atheism, but I actually don't think this person is an atheist; they are an aggrieved theist.

I agree that this would be an inappropriate use of the term atheism. I too would not consider such positions as that of an atheist (how can one be angry at something that one doesn't believe exists?). But that isn't the kind of description of atheism you will find in this discussion, yet Kalli persists on touting about his misrepresentation of the positions being presented on these boards.

 

[FirmaFan]

I'm not sure if he know what Atheist means LOL
He thinks it is a person who believe in non belief which doesn't make sense.

Maybe it's just easier for me to believe a person is just trying to get a rise out of someone, rather than being that ignorant of atheism, despite the numerous times it has been explained.

 

[bort138]

I agree that this would be an inappropriate use of the term atheism. I too would not consider such positions as that of an atheist (how can one be angry at something that one doesn't believe exists?). But that isn't the kind of description of atheism you will find in this discussion, yet Kalli persists on touting about his misrepresentation of the positions being presented on these boards.

Not believing in god makes one an atheist regardless what guides them to that conclusion. This is basically a No True Scotsman argument you are making. Not all atheists are atheists for logical reasons.

 

[Telstra]

Not believing in god makes one an atheist regardless what guides them to that conclusion. This is basically a No True Scotsman argument you are making. Not all atheists are atheists for logical reasons.

Actually, no one know what god is.
Not believing all the supernatural stuff claimed by the religious is an atheist.
A baby cannot be atheist because baby is just too young to know.

 

[bort138]

Not accepting the claim "a god/gods exist" makes you an atheist.

 

[kallipolis]

Nope. That's Oscar Wilde. His words.

Here's MY humorous adaptation: "I think man, in creating God, somewhat overestimated his ability."

I know who authored the words....merely reminding you that they are an ideal reflection of your understandings.

 

[kallipolis]

Not accepting the claim "a god/gods exist" makes you an atheist.

No...it merely evidences your current beliefs...as an agnostic...with much to learn..

 

[kallipolis]

Re: "You can't debate about religion without being rude"

The only way I would not consider some of his posts trolling is if he actually believed that atheists were dogmatic followers of Dawkins, whom is considered profit and guru of the atheist religion. I do not believe this to be the case. It would be insulting to Kalli's intelligence to think he actually believed that. Maybe I am giving him too much credit, but I don't think so.

That you are concerned enough to discuss my observations suggests that you doubt your beliefs...reflecting your willingness to embrace a further thought, that you have much to learn....that's progress.

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If there is some greater argumentative purpose or point to Kalli constantly calling atheists dogmatic followers of the profit and guru Dawkins, please elaborate. Otherwise, it seems like nothing more than an attempt to enrage, rather than enlighten.

You're easily enraged....

 

[kallipolis]

He is a university Professor for goodness sake.
No one accept him as a guru. ONLY you.

Professor Dawkins' faithful followers here would kiss his arse, were he to drop his trousers long enough to satisfy their eagerness to kiss his butt...

 

[Telstra]

Professor Dawkins' faithful followers here would kiss his arse, were he to drop his trousers long enough to satisfy their eagerness to kiss his butt...

Are you a believer, believe in what and why ?

 

[kallipolis]

Are you a believer, believe in what and why ?

I believe in myself.......

 

[kallipolis]

This is an incredibly dishonest and fallacious way to debate. I don't know how you expect anyone to take anything you say seriously when when you openly admit that the actual positions people hold are not as important as you what you can interpret that position to be.

A work colleague who demonstrates fairly light AS symptoms said to me yesterday, over coffee... ...that my opinions did not matter to him because he disagreed with me....my answer was... a smile