On Topic Discussion 2019 Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2)

[cityboy-stl]

No, what I am telling you is what you are going to achieve by pretending to be hard on it: NOTHING.

Doing nothing, accomplishes nothing as well. I don't think kicking the disinformation scammers and all their scam off one of the largest platforms in existence, is pretending. These people are throwing fire bombs into the public health. They're dangerous. They'll probably go elsewhere for sure, but contraining their scope of public access is a darn good start.

 

[belamyi]

Doing nothing, accomplishes nothing as well.

We agree on that

Might I venture to assume that we can agree that "doing something" like bleeding out people to cure them of whatever disease can not be any better than abstaining from doing anything.

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Doing nothing, accomplishes nothing as well. I don't think kicking the disinformation scammers and all their scam off one of the largest platforms in existence, is pretending. These people are throwing fire bombs into the public health. They're dangerous. They'll probably go elsewhere for sure, but contraining their scope of public access is a darn good start.

Oh, so now everything amounts to the grain of sand resisting the blowing wind to make a big change. You finally admitted it. Got it.

Spain's history is filled with "darn good starts", and all the proud citizens of the core of Western civilization can keep laughing at the somber look on the world that is so typical of other less optimistic, sunny nations, but that is only because they are now, with the brexits, the coviruses, the gretas and what not, at the darn good start of something too... and it's not what the brexite[e]rs, negationists or the new angry young women think they are fighting for...

 

[Telstra]

Doing nothing, accomplishes nothing as well. I don't think kicking the disinformation scammers and all their scam off one of the largest platforms in existence, is pretending. These people are throwing fire bombs into the public health. They're dangerous. They'll probably go elsewhere for sure, but contraining their scope of public access is a darn good start.

The media IS dangerous.
Why not setup an international ''Media Watch Legal'' to punish fake news or disinformation reporting?
If found guilty, they should be punished harshly. I bet the media companies are against this idea

 

[belamyi]

The media IS dangerous.
Why not setup an international ''Media Watch Legal'' to punish fake news or disinformation reporting?
If found guilty, they should be punished harshly. I bet the media companies are against this idea

It's like forbidding to produce a product or offer a service which is more harmful than nurturing, or very low quality, low endurance, representing a much bigger ulterior cost than its original face-value... one may fancy one is merely acting against a particular case, field or group of activities with exceptional harmful social, political and economic outcomes, but the arguments used to support are the exact same ones you would not dare to (destructively) extend to the rest of your civilization.

 

[cityboy-stl]

We agree on that

Might I venture to assume that we can agree that "doing something" like bleeding out people to cure them of whatever disease can not be any better than abstaining from doing anything.

What? Doing nothing is better than doing something harmful. I don't know what your point is.

Oh, so now everything amounts to the grain of sand resisting the blowing wind to make a big change. You finally admitted it. Got it.

Spain's history is filled with "darn good starts", and all the proud citizens of the core of Western civilization can keep laughing at the somber look on the world that is so typical of other less optimistic, sunny nations, but that is only because they are now, with the brexits, the coviruses, the gretas and what not, at the darn good start of something too... and it's not what the brexite[e]rs, negationists or the new angry young women think they are fighting for...

Are you drunk or something? None of that makes much sense?

If you kick the scammers off the platform, it stops them from spreading disinformation from that platform. That's what I've been saying all along.
Kicking them off YouTube, which is one of the largest platforms in the world and the one we have been specifically talking about, is yes, a darn good start at stopping the disinformation spread. YouTube gets reposted all over other social media.

You're the one that finally admitted it.

 

[belamyi]

What? Doing nothing is better than doing something harmful. I don't know what your point is.

My point is exactly that. My point is that someone may propose to "do something", without caring much whether the proposal is more harmful than anything. Obviously, people usually are for what THEY BELIEVE to be good, one way or the other.

 

[belamyi]

Are you drunk or something? None of that makes much sense?

Maybe because it's not the usual willful trite drivel.

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If you kick the scammers off the platform, it stops them from spreading disinformation from that platform. That's what I've been saying all along.

Exactly. THAT platform.

That's what I've been saying all along.

 

[belamyi]

Kicking them off YouTube, which is one of the largest platforms in the world and the one we have been specifically talking about, is yes, a darn good start at stopping the disinformation spread. YouTube gets reposted all over other social media.

You're the one that finally admitted it.

I always took for granted what you now have finally realized I am not questioning it... because I have never questioned it.

I never doubted its worth: what I was trying to do is making you aware that said worth is not as much as what you make it to be.

 

[Telstra]

Question:
If you had covid before, are you considered as ''vaccinated''?
If no, why not ? According to science you are as good or not better than the vaccinated.

 

[cityboy-stl]

Question:
If you had covid before, are you considered as ''vaccinated''?
If no, why not ?
According to science you are as good or not better than the vaccinated.

1. No.
2. You're not vaccinated because you're not vaccinated.
3. According to science - What you said is wrong. Vaccination Offers Higher Protection than Previous COVID-19 Infection [CDC]

 

[purina]

https://qr.ae/pGZ190

It's better than 2 doses, not as good as 3, according to this.

 

[Kulindahr]

At this point, why are there stores with staff using face shields rather than n95 masks?

 

[KaraBulut]

At this point, why are there stores with staff using face shields rather than n95 masks?

Because N95 masks aren't recommended outside of the healthcare setting. Unlike a regular mask, N95 masks have to be specifically fit to each person and they have to be airtight so that no air leaks around the edges of the mask. They're not easy to wear for an 8 hour shift in a front-line job.

What faceshields do is block droplets from coming into contact with the mask. The lower filtration masks have a weakness: they only work when they are dry. Putting a faceshield in front of the mask helps to keep droplets from reaching the mask.

Wearing a faceshield without a mask is not a good strategy, however.

 

[Telstra]

1. No.
2. You're not vaccinated because you're not vaccinated.
3. According to science - What you said is wrong. Vaccination Offers Higher Protection than Previous COVID-19 Infection [CDC]

I accept this, but why is vaccine passport necessary when the vaccinated can spread the virus ?

 

[belamyi]

Kara... I don't think he was being serious ... even when he thought he was being so

EPG at 36, the lowest in one year and a half, 43 new cases in a city of 270,000: yet, the Rt is 1.07... we will see where that leads in the future.

 

[belamyi]

The European Medicines Agency has certified that a third dose six months after the second one boosts antibody levels, but points out insufficient knowledge concerning less common secondary effects, particularly those related to heart diseases.

I guess there are better infos in English out there, but you can search for them yourselves: I am quoting just not to drop that out of the blue

https://beteve.cat/societat/ema-recomana-tercera-dosi-vacuna-covid-19-sis-mesos-despres-segona/

 

[Kulindahr]

Because N95 masks aren't recommended outside of the healthcare setting. Unlike a regular mask, N95 masks have to be specifically fit to each person and they have to be airtight so that no air leaks around the edges of the mask. They're not easy to wear for an 8 hour shift in a front-line job.

Walgreens, Walmart, Staples, Home Depot, Lowe's, and others are all selling N95 masks. Some are pretty complex, with two straps so tension can be adjusted differently for top and bottom, and a couple I saw had a third cord -- not a strap -- that's used for adjusting overall contact-edge tension. All have the metal piee in the nose to get a snug fit.

And according to several sources they're recommended for anyone whose job puts them in contact with the public all day.

What faceshields do is block droplets from coming into contact with the mask. The lower filtration masks have a weakness: they only work when they are dry. Putting a faceshield in front of the mask helps to keep droplets from reaching the mask.

Wearing a faceshield without a mask is not a good strategy, however.

What I'm seeing is store clerks and others who assist the public wearing only a face shield, no mask at all.

 

[KaraBulut]

Walgreens, Walmart, Staples, Home Depot, Lowe's, and others are all selling N95 masks.

They were selling them before the pandemic. People who work in dusty environments (i.e. drywall) used them. They hated them but getting pneumoconiosis with years of being unable to breathe is worse than a few hours in an uncomfortable mask.

Some are pretty complex, with two straps so tension can be adjusted differently for top and bottom, and a couple I saw had a third cord -- not a strap -- that's used for adjusting overall contact-edge tension. All have the metal piee in the nose to get a snug fit.

They are complex and that's why they tend to give the public a false sense of security. I had someone tell me that they hated their N95 because it fogged up their glasses. I had to take a deep breath and explain that if their breath was passing around the mask, it wasn't airtight and was as susceptible to leaking in both directions.

And according to several sources they're recommended for anyone whose job puts them in contact with the public all day.

Wear one for 8 hours. I have. It's not comfortable.

If someone wants to wear an N95 (and I do have several friends who wear N95s and a cloth mask together), I'm not going to say that they shouldn't. I do tell them that they need to watch one of the YouTube videos about how to select the right size and how to make sure it's properly fitted.

While we're on the subject... there's still a lot of KN95 masks out there. They're substandard Chinese knockoffs.

This is a real N95- note the 2 straps- one for the top of the head and the other for the back of the head and the NIOSH approval stamp:

This handsome model is wearing a KN95. Note the loops that fit on the ear. Notice that it says KN95 and has no NIOSH stamp:

What I'm seeing is store clerks and others who assist the public wearing only a face shield, no mask at all.

As long as they are staying feet away from other people and they aren't in places with poor ventilation, they'll probably be okay. If not, they're taking a risk.

For those interested in medical minutiae, here's the proper procedure for putting on and removing the mask. Oh, and if you have facial hair, you have to shave it off.

 

[Charon]

 

[spunkfunker]

I think this should be played on every screen forever! especially in MAGA world.