On Topic Discussion 2019 Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2)

[KaraBulut]

Week ending 6-Nov-2021:

Global COVID-19 Weekly Mortality/Morbidity

• Global Cases reported: 249,689,504 (up from 246,518,913 / 1.3%) - *‬*3,170,591 new cases this week
• Global Deaths: 5,047,625 (up from 4,997,354) - **50,271 people died this week

US COVID-19 Weekly Mortality/Morbidity

• Cases reported in the US - 46,466,504 (up from 45,953,801 / 0.7%), 512,703 new cases, 16.2% of world's new cases were in the US
• Deaths reported in the US - 754,311 deaths, 8,641 deaths this week , 17.2% of the world's deaths this week were in the US

US Vaccination Weekly Stats

• Approx number of US doses distributed - 534,086,695 (up from 518,701,225 / +15,385,470) - 80.9% US doses have been administered
  
  Total US residents vaccinated
• 1st dose: - 223,944,369 (up from 221,221,467 / +2,722,902) - 67.9% of US population
• 2nd dose: - 194,001,108 (up from 192,244,927 / +1,756,181) - 58.8% of US population
• 3rd dose: - 24,795,097 (up from 17,723,033 / +7,072,064) - 2.9% of US population
  
  US residents over age 12 vaccinated
• 1st dose: - 223,546,501 (up from 220,988,245 / +2,558,256) - 78.8% of US population > 12 yo
• 2nd dose: - 193,864,710 (up from 192,109,365 / +1,755,345) - 68.4% of US population > 12 yo
  
  
  US residents over age 65 vaccinated
• 1st dose: - 53,840,257 (up from 53,090,010 / +750,247 ) - 98.3% of US population >65 yo
• 2nd dose: - 46,936,240 (up from 46,625,041 / +311,199 ) - 85.7% of US population >65 yo
• 3rd dose: - 14,604,164 (up from 10,882,217 / +3,721,947 ) - 31.1% of US population >65 yo

Coronavirus weekly cases/deaths in active countries (preference to countries with JUB members):

• US: 46,466,504 (up from 45,953,801 / +512,703 / 1.1%) - 754,311 deaths (+8,641) - avg daily: cases (+73,243) / deaths (+1,234)
• Russia: 8,651,561 (up from 8,377,984 / +273,577 / 3.3%) - 242,241 deaths (+8,047) - avg daily: cases (+39,082) / deaths (+1,150)
• UK : 9,317,087 (up from 9,062,710 / +254,377 / 2.8%) - 142,174 deaths (+1,193) - avg daily: cases (+36,340) / deaths (+170)
• Turkey: 8,206,345 (up from 8,009,010 / +197,335 / 2.5%) - 71,927 deaths (+1,517) - avg daily: cases (+28,191) / deaths (+217)
• Germany : 4,780,531 (up from 4,608,836 / +171,695 / 3.7%) - 96,529 deaths (+795) - avg daily: cases (+24,528) / deaths (+114)
• India: 34,355,509 (up from 34,273,300 / +82,209 / 0.2%) - 460,791 deaths (+2,605) - avg daily: cases (+11,744) / deaths (+372)
• Iran : 5,987,814 (up from 5,916,211 / +71,603 / 1.2%) - 127,299 deaths (+1,173) - avg daily: cases (+10,229) / deaths (+168)
• Brazil: 21,874,324 (up from 21,804,094 / +70,230 / 0.3%) - 609,388 deaths (+1,694) - avg daily: cases (+10,033) / deaths (+242)
• Netherlands : 2,229,808 (up from 2,163,794 / +66,014 / 3.1%) - 18,995 deaths (+159) - avg daily: cases (+9,431) / deaths (+23)
• Belgium: 1,414,463 (up from 1,360,650 / +53,813 / 4.0%) - 26,131 deaths (+137) - avg daily: cases (+7,688) / deaths (+20)
• France : 7,310,979 (up from 7,262,198 / +48,781 / 0.7%) - 118,856 deaths (+243) - avg daily: cases (+6,969) / deaths (+35)
• Italy : 4,802,225 (up from 4,767,440 / +34,785 / 0.7%) - 132,365 deaths (+291) - avg daily: cases (+4,969) / deaths (+42)
• Ireland: 465,958 (up from 443,631 / +22,327 / 5.0%) - 5,492 deaths (+56) - avg daily: cases (+3,190) / deaths (+8)
• Mexico: 3,825,404 (up from 3,805,765 / +19,639 / 0.5%) - 289,674 deaths (+1,398) - avg daily: cases (+2,806) / deaths (+200)
• Canada : 1,737,252 (up from 1,721,419 / +15,833 / 0.9%) - 29,192 deaths (+176) - avg daily: cases (+2,262) / deaths (+25)
• South Korea : 379,935 (up from 364,700 / +15,235 / 4.2%) - 2,967 deaths (+118) - avg daily: cases (+2,176) / deaths (+17)
• Switzerland : 887,446 (up from 872,558 / +14,888 / 1.7%) - 11,274 deaths (+40) - avg daily: cases (+2,127) / deaths (+6)
• Spain : 5,025,639 (up from 5,011,148 / +14,491 / 0.3%) - 87,504 deaths (+136) - avg daily: cases (+2,070) / deaths (+19)
• Columbia: 5,012,981 (up from 5,000,677 / +12,304 / 0.2%) - 127,488 deaths (+230) - avg daily: cases (+1,758) / deaths (+33)
• Australia : 180,314 (up from 170,564 / +9,750 / 5.7%) - 1,815 deaths (+80) - avg daily: cases (+1,393) / deaths (+11)
• Argentina: 5,296,188 (up from 5,288,259 / +7,929 / 0.1%) - 116,091 deaths (+149) - avg daily: cases (+1,133) / deaths (+21)
• Israel: 1,333,743 (up from 1,327,306 / +6,437 / 0.5%) - 8,114 deaths (+29) - avg daily: cases (+920) / deaths (+4)
• Sweden: 1,177,094 (up from 1,171,512 / +5,582 / 0.5%) - 15,057 deaths (+32) - avg daily: cases (+797) / deaths (+5)
• Lebanon: 645,805 (up from 641,339 / +4,466 / 0.7%) - 8,540 deaths (+45) - avg daily: cases (+638) / deaths (+6)
• New Zealand: 7,457 (up from 6,429 / +1,028 / 16.0%) - 31 deaths (+3) - avg daily: cases (+147) / deaths (+0)
• Japan: 1,723,525 (down from 1,723,529 / +(4) / 0.0%) - 18,306 deaths (+31) - avg daily: cases N/A) / deaths (+4)

 

[Kulindahr]

I know people who did this before COVID-19. There's no evidence that groceries are a vector for COVID-19 spread, but given that the groceries were handled by workers who were handling poultry and vegetables that may have bacterial contamination, it's not an outlandish idea to wipe down or wash grocery items.

I found out that one of the pizza places has been sanitizing the insulated containers for keeping pizza hot both inside and out; the delivery guys also wear gloves that they sanitize before taking out the pizza boxes.

 

[belamyi]

^ Shouldn't all that crap have been standard practice for ages now, you know, just like gloves and caps while serving or manipulating food? Covid-19 may be as hard to find, let alone infect, as most dangerous crap but, still, whenever I wash my hands I always think more of bacteria than viruses.

 

[Alistair]

That I don't know, but I see a fair number of people at the stores sanitizing their (reusable) bags. I just mist the cart I'm using and wipe the handle.

And I watched one guy stocking shelves wipe each shelf before stocking it; he also wore gloves and sprayed them between shelves. And at the self-checkout, each station was wiped thoroughly between customers -- platform, scanner, bag area, card reader, everything.

Back 30 years ago when I stocked shelves in high school we always wiped down shelves and items, more for dust than sanitizing.

 

[belamyi]

^ Like one thing had nothing to do with the other.

 

[KaraBulut]

I found out that one of the pizza places has been sanitizing the insulated containers for keeping pizza hot both inside and out; the delivery guys also wear gloves that they sanitize before taking out the pizza boxes.

And they probably should have been doing this all along. While there's a minimal risk for COVID-19, those pizza delivery bags most likely get handled by multiple bare hands then sit on the seat of the delivery vehicle (usually a car belonging to a teenager).

 

[Kulindahr]

Back 30 years ago when I stocked shelves in high school we always wiped down shelves and items, more for dust than sanitizing.

Yes, but did you spray the surface with sanitizer? When I worked at a grocery store, everyone but the checkers wore a small spray bottle of sanitizer, but it was only for wiping obviously dirty surfaces in the produce section or in case of some kinds of spills.

 

[Alistair]

Yes, but did you spray the surface with sanitizer? When I worked at a grocery store, everyone but the checkers wore a small spray bottle of sanitizer, but it was only for wiping obviously dirty surfaces in the produce section or in case of some kinds of spills.

We kept towels soaking in a bucket of Clorox and water that we’d use for everything

 

[belamyi]

Spirit of resistance: Why Destiny Church and other New Zealand Pentecostalists oppose lockdowns and vaccination

¿Por qué en Papúa Nueva Guinea tienen pavor a las vacunas?

 

[KaraBulut]

Spirit of resistance: Why Destiny Church and other New Zealand Pentecostalists oppose lockdowns and vaccination

¿Por qué en Papúa Nueva Guinea tienen pavor a las vacunas?

Worth noting from last week's stats:

New Zealand: 7,457 (up from 6,429 / +1,028 / 16.0%) - 31 deaths (+3) - avg daily: cases (+147) / deaths (+0)

 

[belamyi]

Worth noting from last week's stats:

New Zealand: 7,457 (up from 6,429 / +1,028 / 16.0%) - 31 deaths (+3) - avg daily: cases (+147) / deaths (+0)

The worth of the post, including TWO links, is to show what "religious (Christian) freedom", away from centralized Catholic powers, the universal spread of all sorts of soul-saving "Christian" sects, and the ability of people to praise gut beliefs above thinking and that most uncommon "common sense" can work in the mindless population of a country like PNG, because over 98% of the good people there are more focused on dying for what they believe is right, than to live for what even Christian religion sanctifies.

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In other words: people in PNG were not "civilized" by Christianism and, if anything, it was rather the contrary.

 

[KaraBulut]

The worth of the post, including TWO links, is to show what "religious (Christian) freedom", away from centralized Catholic powers, the universal spread of all sorts of soul-saving "Christian" sects, and the ability of people to praise gut beliefs above thinking and that most uncommon "common sense" can work in the mindless population of a country like PNG, because over 98% of the good people there are more focused on dying for what they believe is right, than to live for what even Christian religion sanctifies.

In other words: people in PNG were not "civilized" by Christianism and, if anything, it was rather the contrary.

A few posts back, there's a discussion between Kuhlindar and me about the gap between older congregants in mainstream churches like the United Methodists versus congregants in more charistmatic churches.

Churches have been at either extreme during the pandemic. Most churches encouraged their members to take care of their own health and those churches adapted- posting services online, doing phone visitations with members and taking on tasks like doing grocery shopping and errands for their more vulnerable members. There was a minority of churches- usually smaller, non-denominational Protestant churches that defied public health orders. Those churches have suffered for that decision when their congregants got COVID-19 and in some cases, died.

It's a complicated issue and quite frankly, it's under-researched. The underlying question is whether it's chicken or egg: is the problem the church or is the problem the type of congregants these churches attract?

In the case of New Zealand, they have had very low COVID-19 numbers because they adhered to very strict quarantine measures until vaccines became available. New Zealand kicked off their vaccination campaign in June. About 67% of their population has been vaccinated in 5 months- that' 89% of the population over age 12. Unfortunately, cases of Delta variant made their way onto the north island from Australia and they're in a race to get the population vaccinated before Delta spreads to other islands. There is a big concern with the nation's indigenous population since the vaccination rates among the younger Maori population is lagging behind- it's currently around 55%. New Zealand is moving into their warm season and the population- who have a degree of lockdown fatigue after 18 months of control measures- are wanting to get outside and enjoy the nice weather.

To put it into perspective, though, contrast it with another island nation: Jamaica. Only 15% of Jamaica's population has been vaccinated. Jamaica has reported 89,926 cases and 2,302 deaths. Jamaica is coming off their own Delta peak where they were having 6,000 cases per week. No one is panicking over Jamaica like they are over New Zealand.

 

[belamyi]

A few posts back, there's a discussion between Kuhlindar and me about the gap between older congregants in mainstream churches like the United Methodists versus congregants in more charistmatic churches.

Yes, I read all of it "because of/in atonement for my sins", as olden-time Spaniards would say

 

[belamyi]

It's a complicated issue and quite frankly, it's under-researched. The underlying question is whether it's chicken or egg: is the problem the church or is the problem the type of congregants these churches attract?

Oh, it's just like with politics and populism: first comes the egg

People will not believe and will no follow anyone that they do not want to believe, they only listen to what they want to be told.

The problem is that adding the absolute idea of "God" only reinforces all that, and can even gain the support of more sensible people who would defend their heresies, only because they have the label "Christian" attached.

And the biggest problem and danger is that there are groups of both "leftist" and "right-wingers" who play the double game of vilified individual victims of an evil state, but then also want to impose their own particular views, and the dangers associated with them, to the rest of the world that they vilify for not being or acting like them.


The main difference is that the wealthier classes, and I mean classes, not individual rich wackos, are ultimately more pragmatic in order to preserve themselves and their welath, no matter what they preach to the choir or pretend to defend, while the "lower" people who are destitute and, therefore, indifferent about increasing or ceasing their lifelasting suffering, always feel they have their "pride" above everything else to defend... because they have basically nothing else to defend and preserve.

 

[Rickrock]

My sister works with a woman who has a daughter in the 7th grade who is going through puberty. She got her daughter a covid shot who then had her period and two weeks later had her period and two weeks later had her period again. She took her to the doctor who said that the covid shots sometimes have an effect on boys and girls wo are going through puberty and she should get her daughter onto birth control. She said that the will wait a few weeks to see if the effects wear off instead.

 

[KaraBulut]

My sister works with a woman who has a daughter in the 7th grade who is going through puberty. She got her daughter a covid shot who then had her period and two weeks later had her period and two weeks later had her period again. She took her to the doctor who said that the covid shots sometimes have an effect on boys and girls wo are going through puberty and she should get her daughter onto birth control. She said that the will wait a few weeks to see if the effects wear off instead.

Good for the doctor for knowing that fact.

We've known for a while that the immune system is affected by menstrual cycles and vice versa. Women often complain that they are more likely to come down with colds around their periods. Irregular periods is a known sequelae to immune system responses to both viral infections and vaccines. The reasons why aren't completely understood but it's believed that when the immune system has a strong response, immune cells in the uterus are activated and that changing hormone levels during the menstrual cycle impact immune responses.

Incidentally- something that got missed is that up to 25% of younger women who got COVID-19 complained about irregular periods for 1-2 months after they were infected. This got missed early on because so many of the people who were severely ill with COVID-19 were post-menopausal. With Delta variant, we're seeing younger unvaccinated women getting COVID-19 and it's apparent that the virus itself seems to affect menstruation.

What has been interesting with the data coming out of the vaccine trials is that the menstruation and spot bleeding that was reported was not specific to one COVID-19 vaccine type. It has gotten a lot of attention in the US because the US is using mRNA vaccines but countries using traditional vaccines like viral vector vaccines (which use a cold virus to introduce elements of the SAR-CoV-2 virus into the body) report that the non-mRNA vaccines also affect menstruation.

This article discusses the phenomenon:

Molly Campbell (MC): Why might an immune response, such as that which is triggered by vaccination, influence the menstrual cycle?

Victoria Male (VM): I should make it clear that we don’t know for sure that this is happening yet, but we can imagine at least two biologically plausible mechanisms. One is that a perturbation to the immune system, such as occurs after vaccination or infection, could affect sex hormones and that this in turn will affect the menstrual cycle. The other is that the immune cells that help control the build-up and break down of the lining of the uterus could be affected by the general activation of the immune response, and this could in turn affect the timing and heaviness of bleeding.

 

[cityboy-stl]

Oh my God! They got vaccinated for their job, now the idiots are trying to "undo" it and take out the vaccine. The stupid get stupider: bathing in Borax, cupping "therapy". I'm sure blood-letting will be next. I swear, the collective IQ of these people is 45. It's depressing. You can Google even more lunacy about this bizarre nonsense if you want.

Anti-Vaxxers Are Trying to 'Undo' Their Vaccines by Bathing in Borax [Yahoo News]
As vaccine mandates sweep the nation, more individuals who were once hesitant to get vaccinated for Covid-19 are buckling down to get the jab. With 80 percent of eligible adults having received at least one dose, a new trend has risen among those who believe the vaccine is dangerous: Attempting to "undo" their vaccine after getting it.

These People Are Safe From COVID Whether They Like It or Not [Esquire]
Now, some anti-vaccine groups are recommending that people who have been vaccinated should immediately self-administer cupping therapy (an ancient form of alternative medicine that involves creating suction on the skin) to speed up the “removal of the vax content” including first making small incisions on the injection site with a razor. Other memes give instructions on how to “un-inject” shots using syringes.

Anti-Vaxxers Recommend Bathing In Borax, Other ‘Detox’ To ‘Undo’ Covid-19 Vaccines [Forbes]
Yet, an osteopathic doctor, Carrie Madej, DO, recently claimed in a TikTok video that you should take a bath after vaccination to “detoxx the vaxx.” And she wasn’t recommending a standard bubble bath. Instead, this bath included baking soda and epsom salts to remove the “radiation,” Bentonite clay to pull out the “poison,” and, yes, one cup of borax to “take nanotechnologies out of you.”

Maybe throw in some Oxi-Clean!

 

[belamyi]

Antibiotics taken months of up to two years before being infected by covid-19 may have increased the seriousness of the symptoms..:

https://beteve.cat/societat/prendre...s-covid-incrementa-12-per-cent-risc-gravetat/

In the BCN metro area, the risk has increased sharply during the past two weeks, around three times, and Rt remains around 1.5.

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Complete vaccination rate still at 75%, 79% in the whole of Spain.

 

[Kulindahr]

Oh my God! They got vaccinated for their job, now the idiots are trying to "undo" it and take out the vaccine. The stupid get stupider: bathing in Borax, cupping "therapy". I'm sure blood-letting will be next. I swear, the collective IQ of these people is 45. It's depressing. You can Google even more lunacy about this bizarre nonsense if you want.



Maybe throw in some Oxi-Clean!

I would never have imagined this level of stupid could exist.

 

[cityboy-stl]

I would never have imagined this level of stupid could exist.

The United States of America has officially reached herd stupidity.