On Topic Discussion 2019 Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2)

[KaraBulut]

Meanwhile, a buddy's brother, along with wife, and entire family, all who have had two shots, are all in the hospital, two in the ICU.

I think the key is that they had two shots. No booster. My guess is that they probably got their second shot over 6 months ago and needed the booster. Even with Omicron, the booster is 70-75% effective against infection... which is lower than the 90-95% that was seen with earlier strains.

Which countries have their own covid vaccines? The U.S. has three (I believe), England has one, China has one, and I think that Russia has one. Do India and Israel have their own covid vaccines? Do other European nations have their own, or the European Union? Who else?

There's over 200 vaccines that were developed and tested.

The two that have become dominant in the Western countries are the mRNA vaccines Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna. They are the most effective but they also require low temperature refrigeration which means that they can't be used in areas without electricity or without access to special refrigeration units.

The US approved a 3rd option- a viral vector vaccine from Johnson and Johnson (Janssen). It was used early in 2021 but is being replaced by the mRNA vaccines. A fourth option will probably be approved in the US- Novavax which is an injection of the spike protein.

The US stockpiled AstraZeneca/Oxford but did not approve it for use in the US. Canada and Europe used AstraZeneca early in 2021 but it has also been replaced by mRNA vaccines in those countries.

China developed two vaccines - Sinovac (CoronaVac) and Sinopharm.

 

[belamyi]

Which countries have their own covid vaccines? The U.S. has three (I believe), England has one, China has one, and I think that Russia has one. Do India and Israel have their own covid vaccines? Do other European nations have their own, or the European Union? Who else?

Spain started its own, knowing very well it would be a much slower process, and more valid for the aftermath of the emergency months (future reliance, own research results) than for the urgency of this pandemic period: right now, still in the last trials phase.

 

[Alistair]

The NFL is having a covid outbreak. The Cleveland Browns alone have 14 players right now that are out for covid protocol

Over 90 players are currently under restriction across the league

 

[Kulindahr]

^ Yipes.

Did any of then also have boosters?

Don't know.

^ Yeah, that is discouraging and upsetting.

It's kind of eerie; they were all worried that the vaccine was worthless, so it kind of seems like a reverse placebo effect: they were afraid it wouldn't help, so it didn't.

 

[belamyi]

^ Well, if they were aware, even vaguely, of their vulnerability or, else, their crappy health condition, it does not take any black magic to explain it.


It is not said often enough what a vaccine for flu or covid viruses are for: it gives you once more chance against the virus, and even if you think you are strong enough, it will not detract from it; in any case, it is like saying that you are healthy enough to stand being run over by a truck, which is the effect that all the dozens and hundreds of reports show to do to the thousands of people who have fallen seriously ill.

It is also like saying that weapons, the police and the military are all useless, since people keep and will keep being attacked, robbed, hurt or killed, and nations will end up falling some day anyway.

 

[cityboy-stl]

I am not attending several holiday events with former co-workers and friends this week due to rising Covid cases. I am also not going to a weekend family gathering for the same reason. I am very sad and disappointed that this must be, but I more enraged at the selfish, arrogant anti-vax, anti-mask people who perpetuate this pandemic with their stupidity and disinformation. This did not have to happen. There is good possibility I might end up spending Christmas alone again this year. I am so sick of these assholes. Frankly, I hope Omicron infects every damn one of them and they suffer whatever the consequences may be.

 

[cabinfever]

I am not attending several holiday events with former co-workers and friends this week due to rising Covid cases. I am also not going to a weekend family gathering for the same reason. I am very sad and disappointed that this must be, but I more enraged at the selfish, arrogant anti-vax, anti-mask people who perpetuate this pandemic with their stupidity and disinformation. This did not have to happen. There is good possibility I might end up spending Christmas alone again this year. I am so sick of these assholes. Frankly, I hope Omicron infects every damn one of them and they suffer whatever the consequences may be.

I have the same feelings. I decline ALL invitations - I refuse to eat in indoor restaurants - I am triple vaxxed but it doesn't matter if the assholes keep spreading it and creating and spreading more variants so I trust no one .

 

[cityboy-stl]

I have the same feelings. I decline ALL invitations - I refuse to eat in indoor restaurants - I am triple vaxxed but it doesn't matter if the assholes keep spreading it and creating and spreading more variants so I trust no one .

Exactly. I'm triple vaxxed (Moderna) as well. I have turned down 3 events over the next four days. I don't have other health issues, besides age, and I know with the vaccines I would most probably just have a mild case if I got it. But I don't want the darn thing at all! This is not a virus to fool around with, and I do not understand why these people deny that. It's also only a week until Christmas and don't want to be sick. I hope, if I can, to have Christmas with a couple other vaccinated family members. But I don't know if that will be possible yet. The only gatherings I've done in the past several months are with a handful of friends I know are vaccinated and are just as careful as I am. I really getting tired of it, and of them. I'm sick of those who are causing the problem, also controlling the narrative about it. The next few months are going to be terrible, I fear.

 

[KaraBulut]

Exactly. I'm triple vaxxed (Moderna) as well. I have turned down 3 events over the next four days. I don't have other health issues, besides age, and I know with the vaccines I would most probably just have a mild case if I got it. But I don't want the darn thing at all! This is not a virus to fool around with, and I do not understand why these people deny that. It's also only a week until Christmas and don't want to be sick. I hope, if I can, to have Christmas with a couple other vaccinated family members. But I don't know if that will be possible yet. The only gatherings I've done in the past several months are with a handful of friends I know are vaccinated and are just as careful as I am. I really getting tired of it, and of them. I'm sick of those who are causing the problem, also controlling the narrative about it. The next few months are going to be terrible, I fear.

The sad thing is that if we could be sure that everyone was vaccinated, everyone had been wearing a mask when indoors around other people and everyone would self-test before getting together for dinner, it would be much easier.

Unfortunately, we are at the mercy of the people who are anti-science or who insist on being reckless.

Today, I was at a big box store and I would estimate that about 60-70% of the people shopping were not wearing masks. The employees were masked. On a positive note, many of the shoppers who were higher risk were masked. It was largely the 20-60 year olds who were walking around unmasked like they had no clue that the US is in the midst of a holiday Omicron outbreak.

The next 8 weeks are going to be rough.

 

[Kulindahr]

I am not attending several holiday events with former co-workers and friends this week due to rising Covid cases. I am also not going to a weekend family gathering for the same reason. I am very sad and disappointed that this must be, but I more enraged at the selfish, arrogant anti-vax, anti-mask people who perpetuate this pandemic with their stupidity and disinformation. This did not have to happen. There is good possibility I might end up spending Christmas alone again this year. I am so sick of these assholes. Frankly, I hope Omicron infects every damn one of them and they suffer whatever the consequences may be.

I'm feeling the same way every time I have to go out and there are inevitably people without masks.

But here's what really infuriates me: our city police are now going without masks when they talk to people!

 

[KaraBulut]

Which countries have their own covid vaccines? The U.S. has three (I believe), England has one, China has one...

...China developed two vaccines - Sinovac (CoronaVac) and Sinopharm.

Related to this....

Yesterday, the FDA's vaccine advisory group recommended that the US replace Johnson & Johnson's vaccine, where possible. Because the immunity produced by the 2-shot mRNA vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna) has proven to be superior at preventing severe disease and death, the mRNA vaccines should be administered as first choice vaccine.

Johnson & Johnson is a viral vector vaccine - it takes a cold virus and uses it to introduce RNA from SARS-CoV-2 into the patient to produce an immune response. That immune response is between 60-70% effective at preventing infection from the original SARS-CoV-2 strains. In contrast, the mRNA vaccines have been shown to be 90% effective against the original strains.

Something to think about: Sinopharm and Sinovac are viral vector vaccines. The population of China is 1.4 billion people. Most of them received Sinopharm or Sinovac. Studies estimate that Sinopharm and Sinovac are 50-60% effective.

The 2022 Winter Olympics are in Beijing next year. The ceremonies will begin on 4-February-2022 and will end on 20-February 2022.


If past is prologue:

Japan's COVID-19 Strategy Relied on Trust. Holding the Olympics Shattered It at the Worst Possible Time [Time 6-Aug-2021]

...Until this latest wave, Japan had been relatively successful against the virus. In early July, the country of 126 million people had recorded about 800,000 coronavirus cases and 15,000 deaths...

...On Thursday, nationwide cases topped 15,000 for the first time. The same day, Tokyo recorded a single-day record of 5,042 new cases, up nearly 900 from the previous day, which was also a record. People in their 20s and 30s accounted for more than half of the new cases, according to local media. (Although approximately 31% of the population is vaccinated, Japan’s vaccine campaign has prioritized medical workers and older people, meaning vaccination rates are very low among the young.)...

 

[cityboy-stl]

Moderna! It's been months now since Pfizer was approved and nothing! Is there any word on when we can expect full FDA approval for the Moderna vaccine? What the heck is taking so long?!

 

[rareboy]

So look who's getting sick in Ontario.

 

[ruggerladirish]

AZ has been more or lessed dropped here. Adults who received the single-shot J&J more than three months ago are being given priority for a booster, which will be mRna.


Vast majority of boosters being given in Vaccination Centres are Pfizer, with moderna also being used, but to a far less extent.

 

[belamyi]

^ That seems to be the general European way... I mean, Western European... the part that gets vaccinated... more or less.

 

[cityboy-stl]

The next 8 weeks are going to be rough.

Scary! A viral blizzard. People better starting accepting reality or expect the consequences.

A Covid-19 'viral blizzard' is about to hit the US, expert says, with 'millions' to be infected soon [CNN]
The Delta variant remains a problem. And Omicron, with its high transmissibility, could strike millions more soon, said Michael Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota.

"We're really just about to experience a viral blizzard," Osterholm told CNN's Erin Burnett on Thursday. "In the next three to eight weeks, we're going to see millions of Americans are going to be infected with this virus, and that will be overlaid on top of Delta, and we're not yet sure exactly how that's going to work out."

Note the comment in the clip from Smerconish: There's a limit to my sympathy and compassion for the unvaccinated.

 

[rareboy]

AZ has been more or lessed dropped here. Adults who received the single-shot J&J more than three months ago are being given priority for a booster, which will be mRna.


Vast majority of boosters being given in Vaccination Centres are Pfizer, with moderna also being used, but to a far less extent.

I was given a Pfizer booster because the first two were AZ and I think they felt guilty.

 

[eddielee]

I got the Moderna booster shot a few days ago. It gave me a nasty headache, a fever, and a swollen arm at the injection site. I'm okay now, and happy that I got the shot. I strongly feel that there will be another serious wave of Covid infections as we move through the Holiday season into Winter. Another factor is that people, mostly the unvaccinated, no longer give a damn whether they wear a mask or social distance. Vaccinated people are getting a bit lazy about mask wearing as well. It's important to protect yourself.

...and here we are, infections rapidly increasing, just as I thought...

 

[pornoboy]

2019 Coronavirus

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[belamyi]