On Topic Discussion 2019 Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2)

[rareboy]

It's a tinderbox. They have a shortage of testing kits and their "quarantine centers" are filthy. They just put in a 21 day stay at home order, which hints that they know that they have far more cases than they have publicly reported.

Quarantined In India: No Soap, Dirty Toilets, Not Enough Coronavirus Tests [NPR]

India may not only be the killing fields for this virus...it may be the cause of the re-infection flare-up if they can't contain it over the next 12 weeks.

 

[KaraBulut]

29-Mar-2020:

Global COVID-19 Mortality/Morbidity
- Cases reported: 679,977 (up from 607,965) - **72,012‬ new cases yesterday
- Deaths: 31,734 (up from 28,125) - *****3,609‬‬ people died yesterday

US COVID-19 Mortality/Morbidity
- Cases reported in the US - 124,686 cases (up from 104,837 yesterday, ‬**19,849‬‬ new cases) 2,191 deaths


Across the globe:

• Spain and Italy had increased case counts and increased deaths after a couple of days of declining counts. That changed yesterday.
• -----Italy had 7,974 new cases today - a record high. The good news is that while this is a record number of new cases, it is still only a 9.4% increase from the prior day. Two weeks ago, the new cases were growing 12% to 15% from day to day.
• -----Spain's numbers are a little less optimistic. They had 13,078 new cases- a 19% increase which is in line with what is happening in the US, but still less than the 30% to 40% increases that they had 2 weeks ago.
• One country that has an escalating number of cases is the Netherlands. They reported their first case on 27-Feb, on 22-Mar they had 3,643 cases. Today, they are reporting 10,923 cases- a 200% increase in 7 days. They have 772 total deaths- 225 deaths occurred yesterday.
• Other countries with large increases:
• -----France - 4,691 new cases, 14.0% increase
• -----UK - 2,571 new cases, 17.4% increase
• -----Canada - 895 new cases, 18.8% increase
• -----Mexico - 131 new cases, 18.3% increase
• -----Turkey - 1,704 new cases, 29.9% increase
• -----Switzerland - 1,165 new cases, 8.8% increase
• Mexico implemented a stay-at-home order yesterday.
  

Coronavirus cases/deaths in major countries:

• Italy - 92,472 cases (up from 84,498) - 10,023 deaths.
• China - 82,120 (up from 81,996 cases) 3,304 deaths
• Spain - 78,797 (up from 65,719) - 6,528 deaths
• Germany - 58,247 cases (up from 53,340) 455 deaths
• Iran - 38,309 cases (up from 35,408) 2,640 deaths
• France - 38,105 cases (up from 33,414) 2,317 deaths
• UK - 17,325 cases (up from 14,754) 1,021 deaths
• Switzerland - 14,352 cases (up from 13,187) 282 deaths
• Netherlands - 10,923 cases (up from 8,648) 772 deaths
• South Korea - 9,583 cases (from 9,478) - 152 deaths
• Canada - 4,760 cases (up from 4,046) 61 deaths
• Australia - 3,640 cases (up from 3,143) 16 deaths
• Brazil - 3,904 (up from 3,477 cases) 117 deaths
• Ireland - 2,415 (up from 2,121) 36 deaths
• Mexico - 848 (up from 717) 16 deaths
• New Zealand - 514 (up from 451) 1 death

United States updates:

• The only place in the US that has not reported at least 1 case is American Somoa. The majority of States, Guam, Puerto Rico and the District of Columbia have reported at least 1 death. Only Hawaii, West Virginia, Wyoming, Northern Mariana and USVI have no deaths.
• New Yorks State reported 728 deaths (increase of 209 or 40%). NYC accounts for 672 or 92% of the deaths.
• NYPD is reporting that 730 uniformed officers have tested positive.
• The US tends to forget that Puerto Rico is part of the US. Their cases jumped 56% from 64 to 100 today. They already have a crippled economy and healthcare system after multiple hurricanes, multiple earthquakes and an inadequate response from the US. Other surrounding islands in the Carribean, with their reliance on the tourism industry, also have a growing number of cases. The DR has 859 cases, Cuba has 119 cases, Guadeloupe has 102 cases, Martinique has 93 case, Trinidad has 76 cases and Jamaica has 32 cases.

Individual States with high case counts:

• New York - 52,318 (up from 44,635) 728 deaths
• New Jersey - 11,124 (up from 8,825) 140 deaths
• Washington - 4,310 (up from 3,723) deaths
• California - 4,643 (up from 3,801) 101 deaths
• Michigan - 4,659 (up from 3,657) 111 deaths
• Illinois - 3,491 cases (up from 3,026) 47 deaths
• Florida - 4,037 (up from 3,192) 55 deaths
• Louisiana - 3,315 cases (up from 2,746) 137 deaths
• Massachusetts - 4,257 (up from 3,240) 44 deaths
• Georgia - 2,446 (up from 2,198) 79 deaths
• Pennsylvania - 2,751 (up from 2,218) 34 deaths
• Colorado - 2,061 (unchanged from 1,734) 44 deaths
• Texas - 2,052 (up from 1,731) 27 deaths
• Tennessee - 1,373 (up from 1,203) 6 deaths
  

Canadian Province Stats:

• Alberta - 621 (up from 542) 2 deaths
• British Columbia - 884 (up from 792) 17 deaths
• Manitoba - 64 (up from 39) 1 deaths
• New Brunswick - 51 (up from 45) 0 deaths
• Newfoundland/Labrador - 120 (up from 102) 0 deaths
• Northwest Territories - 1 case (unchanged from 1) 0 deaths
• Nova Scotia - 110 (up from 90) 0 deaths
• Ontario - 1,144 (up from 858) 18 deaths
• Quebec - 2,498 (up from 2,024) 22 deaths
• Prince Edward Island - 11 (up from 11) 0 deaths
• Saskatchewan - 134 (up from 104) 0 deaths
• Yukon - 4 cases (unchanged from 3) 0 deaths

There were also 13 Canadians on the Grand Princess, one of whom died.

 

[zoltanspawn]

They can't contain, and won't contain it. The threshold of safety and sophistication in India has always been in private space.

Public space is too often ungoverned.

The challenge of Indian nationhood has always been fostering a sense of civic society that extends into the streets, beyond the confines of the home and community.

 

[zoltanspawn]

...Secondly I'm wondering if it's a given that the virus will take off in India. They're a tropical country and so far tropical countries and been spared huge outbreaks....

India is a tropical country, and a mountainous country, and a desert country, and a rainforest, and a jungle, and savannas....

 

[belamyi]

^ India is not a modern nation, it's an ancient empire.

They can't contain, and won't contain it. The threshold of safety and sophistication in India has always been in private space.

Public space is too often ungoverned.

The challenge of Indian nationhood has always been fostering a sense of civic society that extends into the streets, beyond the confines of the home and community.

Delphic dialect.

Western translation.

 

[rareboy]

Just another reminder from John Hopkins:

Cleaning to remove Covid 19, source: Johns Hopkins University

• The virus is not a living organism, but a protein molecule (DNA) covered by a protective layer of lipid (fat), which, when absorbed by the cells of the ocular, nasal or buccal mucosa, changes their genetic code. (mutation) and convert them into aggressor and multiplier cells.
• Since the virus is not a living organism but a protein molecule, it is not killed, but decays on its own. The disintegration time depends on the temperature, humidity and type of material where it lies.
• The virus is very fragile; the only thing that protects it is a thin outer layer of fat. That is why any soap or detergent is the best remedy, because the foam CUTS the FAT (that is why you have to rub so much: for 20 seconds or more, to make a lot of foam).
  By dissolving the fat layer, the protein molecule disperses and breaks down on its own.
• HEAT melts fat; this is why it is so good to use water above 77 degrees Fahrenheit for washing hands, clothes and everything. In addition, hot water makes more foam and that makes it even more useful.
• Alcohol or any mixture with alcohol over 65% DISSOLVES ANY FAT, especially the external lipid layer of the virus.
• Any mix with 1 part bleach and 5 parts water directly dissolves the protein, breaks it down from the inside.
• Oxygenated water helps long after soap, alcohol and chlorine, because peroxide dissolves the virus protein, but you have to use it pure and it hurts your skin.
• NO BACTERICIDE OR ANTIBIOTIC SERVES. The virus is not a living organism like bacteria; antibodies cannot kill what is not alive.
• NEVER shake used or unused clothing, sheets or cloth. While it is glued to a porous surface, it is very inert and disintegrates only
  -----between 3 hours (fabric and porous),
  -----4 hours (copper and wood)
  -----24 hours (cardboard),
  -----42 hours (metal) and
  -----72 hours (plastic).
  But if you shake it or use a feather duster, the virus molecules float in the air for up to 3 hours, and can lodge in your nose.
• The virus molecules remain very stable in external cold, or artificial as air conditioners in houses and cars.
  They also need moisture to stay stable, and especially darkness. Therefore, dehumidified, dry, warm and bright environments will degrade it faster.
• UV LIGHT on any object that may contain it breaks down the virus protein. For example, to disinfect and reuse a mask is perfect. Be careful, it also breaks down collagen (which is protein) in the skin.
• The virus CANNOT go through healthy skin.
• Vinegar is NOT useful because it does not break down the protective layer of fat.
• NO SPIRITS, NOR VODKA, serve. The strongest vodka is 40% alcohol, and you need 65%.
• LISTERINE IF IT SERVES! It is 65% alcohol.
• The more confined the space, the more concentration of the virus there can be. The more open or naturally ventilated, the less.
• You have to wash your hands before and after touching mucosa, food, locks, knobs, switches, remote control, cell phone, watches, computers, desks, TV, etc. And when using the bathroom.
• You have to Moisturize dry hands from so much washing them, because the molecules can hide in the micro cracks. The thicker the moisturizer, the better.
• Also keep your NAILS SHORT so that the virus does not hide there.

-JOHNS HOPKINS HOSPITAL

 

[rareboy]

Another site to keep up to date on cases around the whole world. Why don't I believe some of the numbers from some of these countries.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

 

[Telstra]

Another site to keep up to date on cases around the whole world. Why don't I believe some of the numbers from some of these countries.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

you didn't say why you don't believe some of the numbers.
I don't believe some of the numbers because they simply don't test or don't test enough to have the numbers.

 

[Yngbldhwk]

Most of the advice Rareboy posted is spot-on but I'm surprised Johns Hopkins would mention Listerine. Even the old style Listerine is only 27% alcohol, not strong enough to be a disinfectant. Some of the newer Listerine formulas contain no alcohol at all.

 

[KaraBulut]

30-Mar-2020:

Global COVID-19 Mortality/Morbidity
- Cases reported: 737,929 (up from 679,977) - **57,952‬ new cases yesterday
- Deaths: 35,019 (up from 31,734) - ***** 3,285 people died yesterday

US COVID-19 Mortality/Morbidity
- Cases reported in the US - 143,055 cases (up from 124,686 yesterday, ‬**‬‬18,369 new cases) 2,513 deaths, **322 deaths yesterday


Across the globe:

• There is another stranded cruise ship. The SS Zaandam has been in limbo since 14-March and currently has a total of 189 people -- 73 guests and 116 crew members - who have flu-like symptoms. 4 passengers have died. Asymptomatic passengers were transferred to another ship, the Rotterdam. Both ships are passing through the Panama Canal in hopes of docking at Fort Lauderdale.
• The numbers were lower for Italy and Spain.
• -----Italy had 5,217 new cases today. New deaths decreased to 756.
• -----Spain had 6,398 new cases- the lowest since 24-March. New deaths were still high at 812, but down from the 1,390 new deaths reported the day before.

Coronavirus cases/deaths in active countries:

• Italy - 97,689 cases (up from 92,472) - 10,779 deaths.
• Spain - 85,195 (up from 78,797) - 7,340 deaths
• Germany - 62,435 cases (up from 58,247) - 7,340 deaths
• Iran - 38,309 cases (up from 38,309) - 2,757 deaths
• France - 40,747 cases (up from 38,105) - 2,611 deaths
• UK - 19,788 cases (up from 17,325) - 1,231 deaths
• Switzerland - 15,069 cases (up from 14,352) - 312 deaths
• Netherlands - 10,930 cases (up from 10,923) - 772 deaths
• Turkey - 9,217 cases (from 7,402) - 131 deaths
• Canada - 6,320 cases (up from 4,760) - 65 deaths
• Australia - 4,203 cases (up from 3,143) - 17 deaths
• Brazil - 4,256 (up from 3,904 cases) - 136 deaths
• Ireland - 2,615 (up from 2,415) - 46 deaths
• Mexico - 993 (up from 848) - 20 deaths
• New Zealand - 589 (up from 514) - 1 death

Coronavirus cases/deaths in recovering countries:

• China - 82,198 (up from 82,120 cases) 3,308 deaths / 75,916 recovered
• South Korea - 9,661 cases (up from 9,583) - 158 deaths / 5,228 recovered

Individual States with high case counts:

• New York - 59,513 (up from 52,318) - 965 deaths
• New Jersey - 13,386 (up from 11,124) - 161 deaths
• Washington - 4,310 (unchanged from 4,310) - 189 deaths (appears not to have been updated since Sat)
• California - 4,643 (up from 4,643) - 101 deaths
• Michigan - 5,486 (up from 4,659) - 132 deaths
• Illinois - 4,596 cases (up from 3,491) - 65 deaths
• Florida - 4,944 (up from 4,037) - 59 deaths
• Louisiana - 3,540 cases (up from 3,315) - 151 deaths
• Massachusetts - 4,955 (up from 4,257) - 48 deaths
• Georgia - 2,683 (up from 2,446) - 83 deaths
• Pennsylvania - 3,394 (up from 2,751) - 38 deaths
• Colorado - 2,307 (unchanged from 2,061) - 47 deaths
• Texas - 2,552 (up from 2,052) - 34 deaths
• Connecticut - 1,993 (up from 1,524) - 34 deaths
• Tennessee - 1,537 (up from 1,373) - 7 deaths
  

Canadian Province Stats:

• Alberta - 661 (up from 621) - 3 deaths
• British Columbia - 884 (up from 884) - 17 deaths (doesn't appear that BC updated their numbers)
• Manitoba - 72 (up from 64) - 1 deaths
• New Brunswick - 66 (up from 51) - 0 deaths
• Newfoundland/Labrador - 135 (up from 120) - 0 deaths
• Northwest Territories - 1 case (unchanged from 1) - 0 deaths
• Nova Scotia - 122 (up from 110) - 0 deaths
• Ontario - 1,355 (up from 1,144) - 21 deaths
• Quebec - 2,850 (up from 2,498) - 22 deaths
• Prince Edward Island - 11 (no change from 11) - 0 deaths
• Saskatchewan - 156 (up from 134) - 0 deaths
• Yukon - 4 cases (unchanged from 4) - 0 deaths

There were also 13 Canadians on the Grand Princess, one of whom died.

 

[KaraBulut]

Field hospital in NYC's Central Park:

The tents appear to have a Samaritan's Purse logo on them. Samaritan's Purse typically sets up clinic tents in third world countries in Africa, Haiti and South and Central America.

 

[rareboy]

A nightmare scenario here in Ontario. A nursing home with so many residents and pretty much all the staff infected. All because of one undetected case of either a staff member or visitor who had it.

The same story playing out all over the world right now.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/can...-infects-34-staff-at-bobcaygeon-nursing-home/

 

[belamyi]

^ Yeah, month-old news in Spain

- - - Updated - - -

That's the "scenario" that helped keeping mortality rate so high over here.

 

[rareboy]

Most of the advice Rareboy posted is spot-on but I'm surprised Johns Hopkins would mention Listerine. Even the old style Listerine is only 27% alcohol, not strong enough to be a disinfectant. Some of the newer Listerine formulas contain no alcohol at all.

This caught my notice as well.....it just isn't true. Which makes me worry about some of the advice being offered.

Even Johnson and Johnson are quite clear about this:

https://www.listerine.com/covid-19-update

I had wondered if there was still a medical grade antiseptic that they were referring to?

 

[KaraBulut]

I had wondered if there was still a medical grade antiseptic that they were referring to?

One of the problems we're having at the moment is that because the Federal response is so disorganized, there are multiple Federal agencies with a piece of the information pie.

The CDC seems to be in charge of producing guidelines for home management and cleaning household items. Of interest- they keep increasing the alcohol percentage. It was 60%, then it was 65% and now they're saying 70%.

Cleaning And Disinfecting Your Home [CDC.gov]

One of the weird things that the EPA seems to be in charge of is the list of cleaning products that are effective against SARS-CoV-2 (who knew?). There's a box over on the right to right to search to see if the product is verified to be effective against coronavirus. One of the things that is confusing about this list is that it doesn't say whether it is safe for use on your skin and in the case of bleach, they don't clarify that bleach diluted to 1:10 in water is sufficient enough to kill the virus. One thing to note is contact time in minutes- it's a surprise (for example, most of the commercial wipes like Clorox wipes that use ammonium compounds take 4-5 minutes after wiping before it's considered "clean").

List N: Disinfectants for Use Against SARS-CoV-2 [EPA.gov]

 

[belamyi]

https://publish.twitter.com/?query=...liNYC/status/1244405424125870080&widget=Tweet

- - - Updated - - -

 

[jaysizzles]

Just another reminder from John Hopkins:

Cleaning to remove Covid 19, source: Johns Hopkins University

• The virus is not a living organism, but a protein molecule (DNA) covered by a protective layer of lipid (fat), which, when absorbed by the cells of the ocular, nasal or buccal mucosa, changes their genetic code. (mutation) and convert them into aggressor and multiplier cells.
  

Doesn't this support what the Chinese are promoting... that wearing a face mask is beneficial to prevent infection? Sure, the eyes are still exposed, but air born molecules will be prevented from entering the nose and mouth. ? All the advice that I've seen/read has said only those that are sick and those in the medical field should wear a mask.

I'm not at the point where I'm considering wearing one, but it'd be nice to know.

 

[KaraBulut]

Doesn't this support what the Chinese are promoting... that wearing a face mask is beneficial to prevent infection? Sure, the eyes are still exposed, but air born molecules will be prevented from entering the nose and mouth. ? All the advice that I've seen/read has said only those that are sick and those in the medical field should wear a mask.

I'm not at the point where I'm considering wearing one, but it'd be nice to know.

You might look back at post #102 which discusses masks specifically.

If you're worried about accidentally passing on a viral infection, the wearing any mask will help keep droplets from your mouth and nose from getting exhaled into the air. In China, those masks became a fashion statement but they had the effect of stopping sneezes and coughs from putting virus into the air from people that had no clue they were infected.

If you're worried about inhaling viral particles, you have get your hands on a mask that is airtight against the face and has a very high filter percentage. Those are the masks that healthcare workers are running out of, so unless you have them already, they're hard to get a hold of.

 

[jaysizzles]

You might look back at post #102 which discusses masks specifically.

If you're worried about accidentally passing on a viral infection, the wearing any mask will help keep droplets from your mouth and nose from getting exhaled into the air. In China, those masks became a fashion statement but they had the effect of stopping sneezes and coughs from putting virus into the air from people that had no clue they were infected.

If you're worried about inhaling viral particles, you have get your hands on a mask that is airtight against the face and has a very high filter percentage. Those are the masks that healthcare workers are running out of, so unless you have them already, they're hard to get a hold of.

Yes, your comment supports what I've heard all along.

I saw this video earlier and it made me start to wonder if China and South Korea's use of wearing masks has actually helped to curb the rate of transmission. https://www.yahoo.com/gma/top-chinese-health-official-warns-114801914.html Even Dr. Fauci toward the end seemed to be questioning whether it is was beneficial as well.

When you consider that China's population is greater than the US, but we're already far exceeding the number of reported cases ("reported" probably being the key word)...it does give one pause to question it.

 

[KaraBulut]

Yes, your comment supports what I've heard all along.

I saw this video earlier and it made me start to wonder if China and South Korea's use of wearing masks has actually helped to curb the rate of transmission. https://www.yahoo.com/gma/top-chinese-health-official-warns-114801914.html Even Dr. Fauci toward the end seemed to be questioning whether it is was beneficial as well.

When you consider that China's population is greater than the US, but we're already far exceeding the number of reported cases ("reported" probably being the key word)...it does give one pause to question it.

Oh, it probably did stop the transmission but not in the way that the people wearing the mask thought it would.

What has become apparent now that we're doing testing via nasal swab, is that there is a large population of people who are transmitting the virus from their nasal passages and they have no idea that they are infected. These people, if they have symptoms, think they "have allergies" or they may feel perfectly fine.

When they go outside with a mask on, they may be thinking, "I'll put on a mask so that I don't get the virus" when in fact, they have the virus and the mask is blocking droplets from their nose and mouth from getting into the air.

At one point, the Chinese were flying drones in Wuhan and threatening to arrest anyone walking on the street who didn't have on a mask. This hints that they viewed the masks as preventing transmission of the virus, even if it was actually stopping infected people from shedding virus into the public spaces.