On Topic Discussion 2019 Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2)

[belamyi]

^ They could still have contracted the virus in China

I knew there would be no follow-up to the BCN report... that's how journalistic "information" works: drop a bomb, then do not care about whether it was nuclear of fetid.


Anyway, you know that this virus will always remain the Chinese virus, just like the Spanish flu remains the Spanish flu, because Spain was not playing little soldier in WWI, and therefore had nothing to hide about viruses massacring soldiers outside battlefields.

 

[KaraBulut]

A booster is not unexpected. I'm fine with it. My question is, I've heard little to nothing about Moderna (which is the vaccine I received) in recent weeks compared to Pfizer. Since they are both mRNA vaccines, is it safe to assume whatever they say about Pfizer also applies to Moderna in terms of Delta efficacy, need for a booster, etc.? Will they start giving Moderna boosters along with Pfizer? If they don't, are there any problems getting a Pfizer booster if you originally received Moderna?

A few updates:

Moderna expects to complete submission for FDA full approval this month [CNN]

San Francisco will let people who got the J&J vaccine get a supplemental mRNA vaccine dose [CNN]

Countries weigh 'mix and match' COVID-19 vaccines [Reuters]


One concern about "mixing" vaccines: there's criteria that some countries and some companies have about the term "fully vaccinated". These non-standard vaccine protocols might not meet the definition of "fully vaccinated".

 

[Telstra]

Question:
Why not vaccine eye drops or vaccine drips on your eyes ??

 

[rareboy]

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This is not true. ''First detected'' does not mean the origin.
Given the US ans Europe did not test for covid, it might have started there. Reports said covid was detected in waste water in March 2019 Spain, and some people got covid anti bodies in September 2019 in the US.

 

[Kulindahr]

Because the virus is now endemic- a virus that will be circulating in parts of society for years- we're going to have periodic vaccination because there's a group in society who refuse to use the other tools - like masks, like avoiding large crowds, like physically distancing.

The vet I take Bammer to has a message: "care for your neighbors the way you care for your pet: wear a mask!"

 

[Kulindahr]

I don't believe experts advised you take take vaccines (seat belt) daily ....

What, you think it's fine to wear a seat belt one day and not for another year?

That's getting pretty out there even for you.

 

[Telstra]

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It took you over a week for a long delayed laugh ? lol

 

[Telstra]

Question:
Why not vaccine eye drops or vaccine drips on your eyes ??

Its a perfectly good question. If viruses infects you through your nose and mouth, why can't a vaccine go through the same way ?

 

[Peloso]

Its a perfectly good question. If viruses infects you through your nose and mouth, why can't a vaccine go through the same way ?

Suppose that we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light, supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way?

 

[KaraBulut]

There's some interesting research that has been coming out lately about long-term issues in people who survive even mild COVID-19 infections.

The media has been focusing on the affects on people who were acutely ill- including patients who required lung transplants, liver transplants, etc. The latest research on "long-haul COVID-19" is finding that many of the people who have COVID-19 show symptoms typically seen in patients who have suffered traumatic brain injury.

Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from COVID-19 [Lancet]

There is growing concern about possible cognitive consequences of COVID-19, with reports of ‘Long COVID’ symptoms persisting into the chronic phase and case studies revealing neurological problems in severely affected patients. However, there is little information regarding the nature and broader prevalence of cognitive problems post-infection or across the full spread of disease severity...

People who had recovered from COVID-19, including those no longer reporting symptoms, exhibited significant cognitive deficits versus controls when controlling for age, gender, education level, income, racial-ethnic group, pre-existing medical disorders, tiredness, depression and anxiety. The deficits were of substantial effect size for people who had been hospitalised (N = 192), but also for non-hospitalised cases who had biological confirmation of COVID-19 infection (N = 326). Analysing markers of premorbid intelligence did not support these differences being present prior to infection. Finer grained analysis of performance across sub-tests supported the hypothesis that COVID-19 has a multi-domain impact on human cognition.

COVID-19 Associated with Long-Term Cognitive Dysfunction, Acceleration of Alzheimer’s Symptoms [Alzheimers Association]

In addition to the respiratory and gastrointestinal symptoms that accompany COVID-19, many people with the virus experience short- and/or long-term neuropsychiatric symptoms, including loss of smell and taste, and cognitive and attention deficits, known as “brain fog.” For some, these neurological symptoms persist, and researchers are working to understand the mechanisms by which this brain dysfunction occurs, and what that means for cognitive health long term.

... Initial findings from this consortium presented at AAIC 2021 from Greece and Argentina suggest older adults frequently suffer persistent cognitive impairment, including persistent lack of smell, after recovery from SARS-CoV-2 infection.
Other key results reported at AAIC 2021 include:

• Biological markers of brain injury, neuroinflammation and Alzheimer’s correlate strongly with the presence of neurological symptoms in COVID-19 patients.
• Individuals experiencing cognitive decline post-COVID-19 infection were more likely to have low blood oxygen following brief physical exertion as well as poor overall physical condition.

“These new data point to disturbing trends showing COVID-19 infections leading to lasting cognitive impairment and even Alzheimer’s symptoms,” said Heather M. Snyder, Ph.D., Alzheimer’s Association vice president of medical and scientific relations. “With more than 190 million cases and nearly 4 million deaths worldwide, COVID-19 has devastated the entire world. It is imperative that we continue to study what this virus is doing to our bodies and brains. The Alzheimer’s Association and its partners are leading, but more research is needed.”

 

[rareboy]

It took you over a week for a long delayed laugh ? lol

Try a day.

I am laughing because you seem so determined that China not be the home of this virus. As if the Chinese weren't travelling all over Europe and the US in 2019. And I have no doubt that if there was a way of administering the vaccine by eye drops...we'd be there already versus giving injections.

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btw

And it is estimated that a 90% vaccination rate will be needed to deal with the Delta variant.

 

[belamyi]

^ We might be there by the beginning of autumn, given that minors over 12 are replacing the righteous, supposedly adult, 'vaccineskeptococal'.

 

[rareboy]

There's some interesting research that has been coming out lately about long-term issues in people who survive even mild COVID-19 infections.

The media has been focusing on the affects on people who were acutely ill- including patients who required lung transplants, liver transplants, etc. The latest research on "long-haul COVID-19" is finding that many of the people who have COVID-19 show symptoms typically seen in patients who have suffered traumatic brain injury.

Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from COVID-19 [Lancet]



COVID-19 Associated with Long-Term Cognitive Dysfunction, Acceleration of Alzheimer’s Symptoms [Alzheimers Association]

I have also been reading about this outcome. It is unsurprising in a way, given the impact on the entire body. Perhaps out of this though, may come a better understanding of the long term impact of other coronaviruses as well on dementias and cognitive impairment.

 

[Peloso]

And I have no doubt that if there was a way of administering the vaccine by eye drops...we'd be there already versus giving injections.

20% of Americans would claim the eye drops make you blind. And 10% would claim they made you see demons and the demons would fly into your mouth and possess you.

 

[belamyi]

^ Welcome to The American Way...

and, in olden times, they would fear "bad influences" from "wrong ethnicities" hailing from Southern Europe, the Middle East, Far East Asia... Africa...

 

[KaraBulut]

I have also been reading about this outcome. It is unsurprising in a way, given the impact on the entire body. Perhaps out of this though, may come a better understanding of the long term impact of other coronaviruses as well on dementias and cognitive impairment.

It's caught us by surprise. Several academic medical centers set up transition clinics to help the patients that they expected to be discharged from ICUs. The planned staffing would be pulmonary rehab specialists, physical therapists and the specialists that we usually have for patients who were discharged after acute lung injury or were on long-term ventilation.

What has happened is that those ICU patients died but other patients who seemed to have mild cases have had very different needs. A significant amount of time has been spent calling patients who were sick at home but not sick enough to admit to the hospital. Most of the long-haul patients being seen in post-COVID-19 clinics are requiring neurological and psychological support.

The most common complaint for discharged patients is mental "fog", fatigue and depression. Other patients have required occupational therapy because they are having problems with self-care or performing basic activities of daily living. Many patients are being put on fluoxetine (Prozac). At one webinar that I attended recently, the team doing the presentation said that their clinic started using protocols that were developed for patients who had strokes or traumatic brain injury.

 

[rareboy]

I think this was one of the articles that caught my attention in the winter....after I had heard about the neurological issues that some people were having from others who had been treating COVID patients.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/the-hidden-long-term-cognitive-effects-of-covid-2020100821133

 

[rareboy]

 

[Alistair]

It amazes me how gullible some people are. There’s a lady at work who’s daughter is a nurse at the hospital. She claims that everyone coming in with covid were vaccinated, and that they’re all dying. I asked her if that was true why it wasn’t being reported in the local news. Heck, if it was the case it would be reported on national news even if it is a small town.

She also claims they have many people that have died from the vaccine at the hospital. again I told her if that was true it would be in the news. She told me it wasn’t in the news because they were from the neighboring county and moved here from overflow.

She’s an anti-vaccer and calls everyone that gets vaccinated sheep.

 

[Peloso]