On Topic Discussion 2019 Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2)

[GivingMeOralSex]

i seriously hope they release the booster shots for it soon. i take this stuff very seriously
i was actually one of the first people to get the moderna cornavirus vaccine because i was in the vaccine trials.

 

[nycguydowntown]

I cancelled my trip to Italy at the end of the month--my best friends and another couple I like all have homes in Italy now --one north one south---and was supposed to go see them---maybe I'm being a big pussy for not going. Just don't want to deal with all the tests and paperwork ---plus being on a plane for 8 hours with a mask ---could maybe do a 4 hour flight.

 

[belamyi]

^ You are not a pussy, just lazy like hell and, most important, you did not really want to go

We bet if the expectations of the trip were teasing your bodily nether regions, you would be ready to go through all that and walk on broken heated glass if necessary

 

[USEDCAR]

Are they planning to close the southern border? since this variant came from South America?

 

[Peloso]

^ We begin bombing in five minutes.

 

[rareboy]

So Canada's borders re-opened to vaccinated Americans and on the first day a couple of people were snagged for having fake vaccination documents.

Amazing how some people would go to any lengths to forge papers to get across the border for a vacation, while they are probably the same kind of people screaming about refugees faking documents to feed their families.

 

[cityboy-stl]

So Canada's borders re-opened to vaccinated Americans and on the first day a couple of people were snagged for having fake vaccination documents.

Amazing how some people would go to any lengths to forge papers to get across the border for a vacation, while they are probably the same kind of people screaming about refugees faking documents to feed their families.

Not surprized. I hope they are seriously watching for this. The card they give you when you receive the vaccine is easily faked. It is just a 3x4 inch white card that anyone with minimal computer skills could reproduce. Mine just has my name and birth date, which vaccine I received, and the dates and location I received it. It's all hand written except the second dose does have a Moderna sticker with the vaccine lot number, which could also be easily faked.

What you're describing is the standard mentality for these people; the rules apply, unless the rules apply to them.

 

[belamyi]

^ Not surprised that the most developed and wealthiest nation on Earth still relies so much on conventional paperwork and carboard to look after their own people's welfare.

 

[KaraBulut]

Not surprized. I hope they are seriously watching for this. The card they give you when you receive the vaccine is easily faked. It is just a 3x4 inch white card that anyone with minimal computer skills could reproduce. Mine just has my name and birth date, which vaccine I received, and the dates and location I received it. It's all hand written except the second dose does have a Moderna sticker with the vaccine lot number, which could also be easily faked.

What you're describing is the standard mentality for these people; the rules apply, unless the rules apply to them.

Several companies are working on a "vaccine passport" that would pull your information from the State vaccine registry. It would have a barcode that you could keep on your phone to validate your credentials. Several countries have successfully implemented this and it would serve as an entry pass into venues that require vaccination.


Because we have several States that are blocking the vaccine passport effort, there's not much chance of this being implemented unless private companies take the initiative and require it.

 

[rareboy]

Not surprized. I hope they are seriously watching for this. The card they give you when you receive the vaccine is easily faked. It is just a 3x4 inch white card that anyone with minimal computer skills could reproduce. Mine just has my name and birth date, which vaccine I received, and the dates and location I received it. It's all hand written except the second dose does have a Moderna sticker with the vaccine lot number, which could also be easily faked.

What you're describing is the standard mentality for these people; the rules apply, unless the rules apply to them.

We are in the fringes of cottage country.

When shopping at our Loblaw store today...there was a vehicle from New Mexico.

I wanted to jump the guy (Partly because he was pretty hot) and make him prove he was vaxxed. He was masked going into the store so I assumed he wasn't an asshole (Trumpist).

 

[Telstra]

Several companies are working on a "vaccine passport" that would pull your information from the State vaccine registry. It would have a barcode that you could keep on your phone to validate your credentials. Several countries have successfully implemented this and it would serve as an entry pass into venues that require vaccination.


Because we have several States that are blocking the vaccine passport effort, there's not much chance of this being implemented unless private companies take the initiative and require it.

how is the vaccine passport going to work if the ''vaccinated'' are still spreading the virus ?

 

[belamyi]

^ Guess the idea is spreading it only among those who won't fall gravely ill, because they are already vaccinated

 

[KaraBulut]

how is the vaccine passport going to work if the ''vaccinated'' are still spreading the virus ?

The vaccinated aren't spreading "the virus". Delta variant is a different animal and it has a viral load that is 1,000 time higher than the other variants. Everyone, vaccinated or unvaccinated, can shed delta variant from their nose. However, this is where the equality ends because >95% of the people overwhelming the hospital systems are unvaccinated.

The idea of a passport is not to protect the vaccinated. It's to prevent the unvaccinated from getting infected and ending up in hospitals or worse, suffering the consequences of COVID-19 infection.

 

[belamyi]

The vaccinated aren't spreading "the virus". Delta variant is a different animal and it has a viral load that is 1,000 time higher than the other variants. Everyone, vaccinated or unvaccinated, can shed delta variant from their nose. However, this is where the equality ends because >95% of the people overwhelming the hospital systems are unvaccinated.

The idea of a passport is not to protect the vaccinated. It's to prevent the unvaccinated from getting infected and ending up in hospitals or worse, suffering the consequences of COVID-19 infection.

You mean "animal"

If people get "confused" about vaccines and "passports", imagine about biology, microbiology and virology.

 

[KaraBulut]

You mean "animal"

If people get "confused" about vaccines and "passports", imagine about biology, microbiology and virology.

To be fair, this is all new to most people because we live in a modern world where we've eradicated or diminished contagious diseases like smallpox and paralytic polio. Our grand-parents might not have been so puzzled about the use of masks and good hygiene. For our generation, the rules and the rapidly changing information are something new.

People forget, for example, that the masks aren't there to protect the person wearing the mask, as much as it is to protect the people around the person wearing the mask.

It's also a new idea to have a vaccine that doesn't prevent you from getting a virus, but instead prevents you from getting really really sick when you've been exposed to the virus. That's where we are with the Delta variant. It is not the original virus. Delta is as contagious as chickenpox. It is incredibly contagious.

What does a vaccine passport accomplish? It keeps the risk in a crowd low. It may not stop a few breakthrough cases from happening. But it will stop the wildwire of contagion that we've seen in the past 18 months.

Here's a real life comparison of an unvaccinated event versus a vaccinated event:

Last October, a group of unvaccinated, unmasked Republicans gathered at the White House to gleefully celebrate the confirmation of Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court. This single event caused at least 40 Republicans in government to get ill. Two- Chris Christie and Ben Carson- were hospitalized.

A couple of weeks ago, a group of vaccinated Senators gathered on a houseboat in DC. After that event, Sen Graham announced that he had tested positive for COVID-19, he had mild cold symptoms and that he would be isolating at home for 10 days. No other person on the boat came forward to say they had tested positive. No other person on the boat got sick.

That's the difference between a gathering of vaccinated vs unvaccinated people. That's why a vaccine passport strategy would allow vaccinated people to gather in a low-risk environment and have some sense of normalcy without fear of sparking a "super-spreader" event.

 

[cityboy-stl]

^ We hear a lot about these breakthrough cases in the media, but, isn't it true that the vaccine does in fact prevent infection, not just symptoms, in the vast majority of exposure incidents? The breakthrough cases get the publicity and there may even be more than reported, but if everyone who is vaccinated got infected when exposed it seems we'd be overwhelmed with reports. The data needs to be much more clear about this: the vaccine prevents infection in what percent incidents? Or is that really zero? That would be terrifying.

 

[nycguydowntown]

^ You are not a pussy, just lazy like hell and, most important, you did not really want to go

We bet if the expectations of the trip were teasing your bodily nether regions, you would be ready to go through all that and walk on broken heated glass if necessary

some truth to what you say but I am very close to one couple --he and his wife are like family---but I'm not crazy about traveling in ideal situations but I still do---I don't want to deal with this covid shit right now--especially since I'm hearing mixed things about September---I am traveling with my best friend who is in the medical field and he doesn't want to do it right now either.

 

[belamyi]

^ Then you are just dropping a silly luxury that never tickled you much anyway, and the pandemic merely things easier for you, not harder

 

[KaraBulut]

^ We hear a lot about these breakthrough cases in the media, but, isn't it true that the vaccine does in fact prevent infection, not just symptoms, in the vast majority of exposure incidents? The breakthrough cases get the publicity and there may even be more than reported, but if everyone who is vaccinated got infected when exposed it seems we'd be overwhelmed with reports. The data needs to be much more clear about this: the vaccine prevents infection in what percent incidents? Or is that really zero? That would be terrifying.

The honest answer is that we don't know for sure. We're still studying this latest variant that came over from India.

There's several things going on. We know two things:

• Delta is very different from the original strains. The current vaccines produce immunity that cover Delta. But people with Delta shed hundreds, perhaps thousands times more virus from their nose and mouth compared to the original strains.
• Antibody levels after vaccination drop off over time. The first round of vaccinations were in December and January, so we're at about 6 months, so some people may have lower antibody levels which means that they may get a mild case of COVID-19 until their immune system is able to crank out more antibodies.

What we don't know is how "high viral load" translates to infection in vaccinated people. The studies coming out are saying that vaccinated people shed virus for a shorter time than unvaccinated people- which makes sense: if a vaccinated person's immune system needs day or two to crank out antibodies to quell the infection, it would make sense that they might shed virus until the immune system knocks out the infection.

The important thing that we're hearing very consistently from every hospital is that the patients they are getting are >95% unvaccinated. And a lot of the patients in hospitals who were vaccinated had other issues like they had lupus, or a history of receiving chemotherapy or they were on medications that affected their immune system (e.g. prednisone, Humira, etc). The people that got vaccinated and had symptoms are describing cold-symptoms or a mild flu- pretty much what we would expect an ordinary common cold or flu to be like.

What is worrying us? We had always assumed that kids didn't get sick from COVID-19. Delta is different in this regard, too. It's making kids sick. They're not as sick as adults but some of them are sick enough to end up in the hospital. The vaccine is not approved for kids under age 12. School is about to start. A few Southern states are blocking mandatory masks in schools. This has us all worried.

 

[rareboy]