On Topic Discussion 2019 Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2)

[belamyi]

^ Oh, ok, it's their own childish, spoilt-brat way of understanding the whole business as "I will never be told what to do"..: it's not about survival, harm, death, only about "Them" and "Megame".

 

[belamyi]

Meanwhile, through the looking glass..:

 

[Telstra]

Global risk

i don't understand this map without knowing what the colours mean.

 

[cityboy-stl]

He THINKS he owned the libs by refusing the vaccine pushed by Biden, Fauci, and Co. But as soon as he gets Covid, the gig is up.

Exactly. They think they win - own the lib's - when they don't get vaccinated. But if they do get vaccinated, then they lose and lib's (and Biden) win. To them, it is a political contest about winning. "You can't tell me what to do". So the point of the meme is, they got sick and died from Covid but they won! They refused the vaccine and "Owned the lib's" They Won!

It is twisted, stupid logic, but that's the extreme they have taken it to. It is sad that so many can't realize what they've done until they are gasping their last few breaths.

 

[belamyi]

^ While the real logic is: "if you don't get vaccinated, you die: you got sick and died so... one opposer to the libs the less"

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The point is no get vaccinated to save your life: nobody cares what you make of your soul damned by stupidity once you have died


Actually, seriously, for the true die-hard opposers, not the regretting idiots, death is a liberation from a world about which they do not care anymore, once they realize they will not fit in: owning the libs is their kool-aid.

 

[rareboy]

At least this has been cleared up here:

"People who choose not to get the COVID-19 vaccine due to personal preferences or “singular beliefs” do not have a right to accommodations under Ontario’s human rights law, the province’s rights watchdog says

The decision to get vaccinated is voluntary, and a “person who chooses not to be vaccinated based on personal preference does not have the right to accommodation under the (Human Rights Code),” the Ontario Human Rights Commission said this week in a policy paper discussing the limits of vaccine mandates and proof-of-vaccination requirements.

While human rights law prohibits discrimination based on creed — someone’s religion, or a non-religious belief system that shapes their identity, world view and way of life — personal preferences or singular beliefs do not amount to a creed, the commission said, adding it “is not aware of any tribunal or court decision that found a singular belief against vaccinations or masks amounted to a creed within the meaning of the Code.”"

Toronto Star

 

[belamyi]

^ Which gives a good perspective on what "creeds" actually are: just organize antivaxx into a cult with staunch followers, and in less than one century it would be receiving money and protection from the government and the law.

 

[cityboy-stl]

At least this has been cleared up here:

"People who choose not to get the COVID-19 vaccine due to personal preferences or “singular beliefs” do not have a right to accommodations under Ontario’s human rights law, the province’s rights watchdog says

The decision to get vaccinated is voluntary, and a “person who chooses not to be vaccinated based on personal preference does not have the right to accommodation under the (Human Rights Code),” the Ontario Human Rights Commission said this week in a policy paper discussing the limits of vaccine mandates and proof-of-vaccination requirements.

While human rights law prohibits discrimination based on creed — someone’s religion, or a non-religious belief system that shapes their identity, world view and way of life — personal preferences or singular beliefs do not amount to a creed, the commission said, adding it “is not aware of any tribunal or court decision that found a singular belief against vaccinations or masks amounted to a creed within the meaning of the Code.”"

Toronto Star

If I were not so old and retired, I'd attempt to move to Canada. But from what I've read, you can't just permanently retire in Canada unless you have a bazillion dollars, and even that I'm not sure about.

Maybe I could move to Germany where there aren't so many Nazis.

 

[metta]

The protein CD47 may contribute to the severity of COVID-19 infections in people

https://www.fingerlakes1.com/2021/0...he-severity-of-covid-19-infections-in-people/

https://www.wfla.com/community/heal...-illness-may-depend-on-levels-of-one-protein/

 

[metta]

Fifi is going to save us! �� Covid: Immune therapy from llamas shows promise

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-58628689

 

[KaraBulut]

Early Friday morning, the CDC approved a third dose booster for people who received the Pfizer vaccine. The booster would be given 6 months after the 2nd dose, so the timing would be prime dose, then second dose at 21 days and then third dose 6 months after the second dose.

The eligibility is a little complicated.

If you received the first two Pfizer doses and it has been 6 months since you received your 2nd dose, you are eligible if:

• You are over 65 years old
• You are over 18 years old and you live in a congregate living setting (e.g. nursing home, prison, et al)
• You are over 18 years old and you work in a high risk setting (e.g. healthcare worker, teacher, front-line worker, et al).

Only people who received the Pfizer vaccine are eligible. People who received Moderna, Pfizer, J&J, AstraZeneca, etc are not eligible.


The previous guideline for immunocompromised people still stands- anyone who has a qualifying medical condition can receive a third dose of Pfizer or Moderna that is administered 4 weeks after the second dose.

 

[Kulindahr]

Early Friday morning, the CDC approved a third dose booster for people who received the Pfizer vaccine. The booster would be given 6 months after the 2nd dose, so the timing would be prime dose, then second dose at 21 days and then third dose 6 months after the second dose.

The eligibility is a little complicated.

If you received the first two Pfizer doses and it has been 6 months since you received your 2nd dose, you are eligible if:

• You are over 65 years old
• You are over 18 years old and you live in a congregate living setting (e.g. nursing home, prison, et al)
• You are over 18 years old and you work in a high risk setting (e.g. healthcare worker, teacher, front-line worker, et al).

Only people who received the Pfizer vaccine are eligible. People who received Moderna, Pfizer, J&J, AstraZeneca, etc are not eligible.


The previous guideline for immunocompromised people still stands- anyone who has a qualifying medical condition can receive a third dose of Pfizer or Moderna that is administered 4 weeks after the second dose.

Haven't they been saying everyone can get a booster eight months after their second dose?

 

[KaraBulut]

Haven't they been saying everyone can get a booster eight months after their second dose?

That's what took me a day to unravel because we were all geared up to do 8 month boosters. Friday, we were all in conference calls and scrambling trying to understand what the CDC had just approved.

The addition of front-line workers is a good thing.

First terminology-

• 3rd dose - applies to immunocompromised people who received either Pfzier (BioNTech) or Moderna and can be given 28 days after the 2nd dose.
• 3rd dose booster - applies to people 65 years or older, people in congregate living facilities or work in high risk professions who received Pfizer. This one is given 6 months after the 2nd dose.

If you schedule your 3rd dose with a mass immunization clinic, they're going to screen you for eligibility. However, because Pfizer is now FDA approved, you can probably get a 6 month 3rd dose booster if you ask for one, even if you don't exactly have one of the eligibility criteria. But honestly, it's broad enough that a large number of Americans will qualify for one of the criteria, if they received Pfizer.

 

[eddielee]

If I understand correctly, Moderna boosters have not been approved, so if I got the Moderna vaccine, I still need to wait.

 

[Kulindahr]

That's what took me a day to unravel because we were all geared up to do 8 month boosters. Friday, we were all in conference calls and scrambling trying to understand what the CDC had just approved.

The addition of front-line workers is a good thing.

First terminology-

• 3rd dose - applies to immunocompromised people who received either Pfzier (BioNTech) or Moderna and can be given 28 days after the 2nd dose.
• 3rd dose booster - applies to people 65 years or older, people in congregate living facilities or work in high risk professions who received Pfizer. This one is given 6 months after the 2nd dose.

If you schedule your 3rd dose with a mass immunization clinic, they're going to screen you for eligibility. However, because Pfizer is now FDA approved, you can probably get a 6 month 3rd dose booster if you ask for one, even if you don't exactly have one of the eligibility criteria. But honestly, it's broad enough that a large number of Americans will qualify for one of the criteria, if they received Pfizer.

Okay, so what's the reasoning behind that?

One reason I ask is that on other discussion sites some people are saying that getting the other "brand" for a booster is better than getting the same "brand" a third time.

Oh -- and I've bumped into the claim that each shot makes you more liable to die from a mutation than if you didn't get a shot at all!

 

[KaraBulut]

If I understand correctly, Moderna boosters have not been approved, so if I got the Moderna vaccine, I still need to wait.

Moderna 3rd dose is only available if you have a condition that falls under the immuncompromised condition. That dose would be given 28 days after the 2nd dose.

CDC recommends that people with moderately to severely compromised immune systems receive an additional dose of mRNA COVID-19 vaccine at least 28 days after a second dose of Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine or Moderna COVID-19 vaccine.

For example, if are on chemotherapy or if you had received an organ transplant, you would be eligible for a 3rd dose of Moderna.

Moderna has been running behind on submitting their data to the FDA, so the protocol for Moderna may change in the next 6 months (or sooner).

Okay, so what's the reasoning behind that?

One reason I ask is that on other discussion sites some people are saying that getting the other "brand" for a booster is better than getting the same "brand" a third time.

Oh -- and I've bumped into the claim that each shot makes you more liable to die from a mutation than if you didn't get a shot at all!

It's all coming from the studies of the vaccines. Recall that at the end of 2020, the vaccines were approved by the FDA under emergency use authorization (EUA) based upon 6 months of data. We now have nearly 18 months of data to look at.

The 3rd dose for immunocomprised patients came from studies that showed that patients with severely weakened immune system who received mRNA vaccines did not have a robust response to the two dose regimen. The third dose provides an additional challenge to the immune system to drive antibody levels to a level more typical of a healthy adult.

The 3rd dose booster for Pfizer came out of studies in Israel of people who had been exposed to the Delta variant. The Delta variant is several times more contagious than the original strains and it is also more likely to produce a breakthrough infection in vaccinated people. A third dose boost was associated with at least a 11-fold reduction in infections and a 10-fold reduction in the risk of falling seriously ill.

One thing to emphasize: the vaccines are effective at preventing severe disease and hospitalization. The Delta variant is causing breakthrough cases but, thankfully, those breakthrough cases rarely require hospitalization and rarely result in death. By boosting antibody levels with a 3rd dose booster, the hope is to stop breakthrough cases and also stave off another wave of infections during the 2021 year-end holidays.

 

[belamyi]

 

[Kulindahr]

Moderna 3rd dose is only available if you have a condition that falls under the immuncompromised condition. That dose would be given 28 days after the 2nd dose.


For example, if are on chemotherapy or if you had received an organ transplant, you would be eligible for a 3rd dose of Moderna.

Moderna has been running behind on submitting their data to the FDA, so the protocol for Moderna may change in the next 6 months (or sooner).



It's all coming from the studies of the vaccines. Recall that at the end of 2020, the vaccines were approved by the FDA under emergency use authorization (EUA) based upon 6 months of data. We now have nearly 18 months of data to look at.

The 3rd dose for immunocomprised patients came from studies that showed that patients with severely weakened immune system who received mRNA vaccines did not have a robust response to the two dose regimen. The third dose provides an additional challenge to the immune system to drive antibody levels to a level more typical of a healthy adult.

The 3rd dose booster for Pfizer came out of studies in Israel of people who had been exposed to the Delta variant. The Delta variant is several times more contagious than the original strains and it is also more likely to produce a breakthrough infection in vaccinated people. A third dose boost was associated with at least a 11-fold reduction in infections and a 10-fold reduction in the risk of falling seriously ill.

One thing to emphasize: the vaccines are effective at preventing severe disease and hospitalization. The Delta variant is causing breakthrough cases but, thankfully, those breakthrough cases rarely require hospitalization and rarely result in death. By boosting antibody levels with a 3rd dose booster, the hope is to stop breakthrough cases and also stave off another wave of infections during the 2021 year-end holidays.

I can see some people who got the Moderna shots freaking out, thinking they're being left with less protection.

 

[KaraBulut]

Week ending 25-Sep-2021:

Global COVID-19 Weekly Mortality/Morbidity

• Global Cases reported: 231,632,439 (up from 228,326,008 / %) - *‬*3,306,431 new cases this week
• Global Deaths: 4,745,185 (up from 4,689,110) - **56,075 people died this week

US COVID-19 Weekly Mortality/Morbidity

• Cases reported in the US - 42,941,348 (up from 42,053,964 / 2.1%), 887,384 new cases, 26.8% of world's new cases were in the US
• Deaths reported in the US - 687,752 deaths, 14,268 deaths this week , 25.4% of the world's deaths this week were in the US

US Vaccination Weekly Stats

• Approx number of US doses distributed - 471,821,155 (up from 466,569,635 / +5,251,520) - 82.5% of US population of US population of US doses have been administered
  
  Total US residents vaccinated
• 1st dose: - 213,177,462 (up from 211,489,242 / +1,688,220) - 64.6% of US population
• 2nd dose: - 183,353,326 (up from 181,035,022 / +2,318,304) - 55.6% of US population
  
  US residents over age 12 vaccinated
• 1st dose: - 212,946,366 (up from 211,258,819 / +1,687,547) - 75.1% of US population
• 2nd dose: - 183,219,988 (up from 180,902,189 / +2,317,799) - 64.6% of US population
  
  US residents over age 65 vaccinated
• 1st dose: - 51,109,635 (up from 50,940,793 / +168,842) - 93.4% of US population
• 2nd dose: - 45,503,411 (up from 45,317,864 / +185,547) - 83.2% of US population

Coronavirus weekly cases/deaths in active countries (preference to countries with JUB members):

• US: 42,941,348 (up from 42,053,964 / +887,384 / 2.1%) - 687,752 deaths (+14,268) - avg daily: cases (+126,769) / deaths (+2,038)
• UK: 7,667,290 (up from 7,435,495 / +231,795 / 3.1%) - 136,465 deaths (+987) - avg daily: cases (+33,114) / deaths (+141)
• India: 33,652,745 (up from 33,448,163 / +204,582 / 0.6%) - 446,918 deaths (+2,080) - avg daily: cases (+29,226) / deaths (+297)
• Turkey: 7,013,609 (up from 6,820,831 / +192,778 / 2.8%) - 62,938 deaths (+1,577) - avg daily: cases (+27,540) / deaths (+225)
• Russia: 7,313,112 (up from 7,170,069 / +143,043 / 2.0%) - 200,245 deaths (+5,574) - avg daily: cases (+20,435) / deaths (+796)
• Brazil: 21,343,304 (up from 21,230,325 / +112,979 / 0.5%) - 594,200 deaths (+3,692) - avg daily: cases (+16,140) / deaths (+527)
• Iran: 5,519,728 (up from 5,424,835 / +94,893 / 1.7%) - 119,082 deaths (+1,900) - avg daily: cases (+13,556) / deaths (+271)
• Mexico: 3,628,812 (up from 3,564,694 / +64,118 / 1.8%) - 275,303 deaths (+4,000) - avg daily: cases (+9,160) / deaths (+571)
• Germany: 4,200,136 (up from 4,145,019 / +55,117 / 1.3%) - 93,399 deaths (+432) - avg daily: cases (+7,874) / deaths (+62)
• France: 7,080,675 (up from 7,038,061 / +42,614 / 0.6%) - 117,157 deaths (+489) - avg daily: cases (+6,088) / deaths (+70)
• Israel: 1,263,896 (up from 1,221,713 / +42,183 / 3.5%) - 7,649 deaths (+138) - avg daily: cases (+6,026) / deaths (+20)
• Canada: 1,608,019 (up from 1,579,619 / +28,400 / 1.8%) - 27,690 deaths (+250) - avg daily: cases (+4,057) / deaths (+36)
• Italy: 4,657,215 (up from 4,632,275 / +24,940 / 0.5%) - 130,653 deaths (+369) - avg daily: cases (+3,563) / deaths (+53)
• Japan: 1,695,918 (up from 1,678,077 / +17,841 / 1.1%) - 17,480 deaths (+282) - avg daily: cases (+2,549) / deaths (+40)
• Spain: 4,946,601 (up from 4,929,546 / +17,055 / 0.3%) - 86,229 deaths (+446) - avg daily: cases (+2,436) / deaths (+64)
• South Korea: 301,172 (up from 285,931 / +15,241 / 5.3%) - 2,450 deaths (+46) - avg daily: cases (+2,177) / deaths (+7)
• Belgium: 1,233,723 (up from 1,219,814 / +13,909 / 1.1%) - 25,554 deaths (+57) - avg daily: cases (+1,987) / deaths (+8)
• Australia: 97,539 (up from 85,629 / +11,910 / 13.9%) - 1,231 deaths (+69) - avg daily: cases (+1,701) / deaths (+10)
• Argentina: 5,249,840 (up from 5,238,610 / +11,230 / 0.2%) - 114,849 deaths (+482) - avg daily: cases (+1,604) / deaths (+69)
• Columbia: 4,950,253 (up from 4,939,251 / +11,002 / 0.2%) - 126,102 deaths (+242) - avg daily: cases (+1,572) / deaths (+35)
• Netherlands: 2,032,868 (up from 2,022,227 / +10,641 / 0.5%) - 18,556 deaths (+51) - avg daily: cases (+1,520) / deaths (+7)
• Switzerland: 833,385 (up from 823,078 / +10,307 / 1.3%) - 11,043 deaths (+43) - avg daily: cases (+1,472) / deaths (+6)
• Ireland: 383,218 (up from 375,367 / +7,851 / 2.1%) - 5,209 deaths (+30) - avg daily: cases (+1,122) / deaths (+4)
• Sweden: 1,149,407 (up from 1,144,982 / +4,425 / 0.4%) - 14,821 deaths (+46) - avg daily: cases (+632) / deaths (+7)
• Lebanon: 621,735 (up from 617,662 / +4,073 / 0.7%) - 8,277 deaths (+45) - avg daily: cases (+582) / deaths (+6)
• New Zealand: 4,184 (up from 4,061 / +123 / 3.0%) - 27 deaths (+0) - avg daily: cases (+18) / deaths (+0)

 

[KaraBulut]

I can see some people who got the Moderna shots freaking out, thinking they're being left with less protection.

There's a lot of freaking out going on.

One of the reasons that I keep putting emphasis on the hospitalization and death numbers is that it really doesn't matter which vaccine you received. All of the vaccines that were administered in the US have shown to reduce severe illness.

From my personal experience, every nurse and doctor who works in a hospital has told me the same thing: >90% of the hospital patients they're seeing since the Delta variant hit the US are patients who are unvaccinated. I've also heard the consistent comment that often the vaccinated people who get hospitalized had other issues that weakened their immune system and made them vulnerable to Delta.

If someone has an immune system disorder, they can get a Pfizer shot 4 weeks after their second Pfizer or Moderna shot. If they don't have an immune disorder, it's unlikely they're going to get a severe case of COVID-19, regardless of which vaccine they received.

If people want to freak out about something, they need to freak out about the unvaccinated people they know. Beg, borrow or steal- do what you must to convince your friends, family and neighbors to get the immunization. It's the way to get rid of all this worry that we have over break-through cases among the unvaccinated.