On Topic Discussion 2019 Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2)

[KaraBulut]

What's a "BOO"?

Black Oxygen Organics

 

[Kulindahr]

Black Oxygen Organics

Is that anything like the craze about eating activated charcoal to "cleanse your system" back a few decades?

 

[KaraBulut]

Is that anything like the craze about eating activated charcoal to "cleanse your system" back a few decades?

That would have actually been based upon a misinterpretation of actual science.

BOO is based upon the idea that there's an acid produced by decaying humus that might have anti-inflammatory properties. Research has not proven that decaying humus has any anti-inflammatory benefit. How they got from "possible anti-inflammatory" to "dirt might help with COVID" escapes me.

 

[Kulindahr]

That would have actually been based upon a misinterpretation of actual science.

BOO is based upon the idea that there's an acid produced by decaying humus that might have anti-inflammatory properties. Research has not proven that decaying humus has any anti-inflammatory benefit. How they got from "possible anti-inflammatory" to "dirt might help with COVID" escapes me.

The time to have eaten dirt to help their immune system was when they were toddlers.

Or maybe they did and it was toxic dirt with lead and mercury.

 

[KaraBulut]

The time to have eaten dirt to help their immune system was when they were toddlers.

Or maybe they did and it was toxic dirt with lead and mercury.

I wouldn't recommend eating dirt at any age. If for no other reason than it's a great way to get hookworms or other helminth infections.

There are some therapeutic uses of clay, like koalin, which is the active ingredient in some anti-diarrhea medications. However, none of these are going to help with a respiratory viral infection.

 

[unloadonme]

I told someone the other day to move away 6 feet if they weren't going to put a mask on

I doubt that mask wearing makes much of a difference. To me, last week's reintroduction of mandatory mask wearing in England was a matter of Boris saying that we must do something to appear to be addressing Omicron, mandatory face coverings is something, therefore we must do it.

 

[ruggerladirish]

Very dis-spiriting (although maybe necessary), a whole raft of re-introducrd restrictions and curtailment, mainly concentrated on expansion of use of the vaccination cert, and indoor socialisation.

These bring us back to where we were before winter commenced.

Strange given -

1. Case numbers, despite some glitches have stabilised.
2. Hospitisations have plateaud and are actually reducing.
3. R has been brought back to 1 for the first time in several months.


But I'll still take my third pfizer shot next Thursday.

 

[KaraBulut]

I doubt that mask wearing makes much of a difference. To me, last week's reintroduction of mandatory mask wearing in England was a matter of Boris saying that we must do something to appear to be addressing Omicron, mandatory face coverings is something, therefore we must do it.

Masks do work... if they are worn properly. It's not just the filtration effect for the person wearing the mask. The cloth masks are similar to the effect of covering your nose and mouth when you sneeze; it helps from sending a spray of droplets containing the virus into the air around the person who is infected. The droplets are either trapped in the fabric of the mask or they are redirected down to the floor instead of high in the air where people in a crowd are more likely to breathe them in.

Probably the best empirical evidence that we have that masks do work is the airline industry. Since masks have been made mandatory for airline flights, we're not seeing outbreaks of COVID-19 from people traveling on planes. The infections from travel seem to be related more to what people are doing after they arrive at their destination... in crowds, without a mask.

 

[rareboy]

Here in Ontario, I see everyone (99%) compliant with wearing a mask.

Not so much hand sanitizing though.

There was a small protest of about 20 anti-vaxxers/anti maskers in the city when we were shopping yesterday. I may have mentioned to them they looked fucking ridiculous from the car window.

 

[Kyanimal]

I doubt that mask wearing makes much of a difference. To me, last week's reintroduction of mandatory mask wearing in England was a matter of Boris saying that we must do something to appear to be addressing Omicron, mandatory face coverings is something, therefore we must do it.

If face masks don't work, why does everyone in an operating room wear them (except the patient)?

The whole point is to stop infections.

 

[purina]

I wouldn't recommend eating dirt at any age. If for no other reason than it's a great way to get hookworms or other helminth infections.

There are some therapeutic uses of clay, like koalin, which is the active ingredient in some anti-diarrhea medications. However, none of these are going to help with a respiratory viral infection.

Not to go off topic, but hookworms can be our friends.

 

[unloadonme]

Masks do work... if they are worn properly. It's not just the filtration effect for the person wearing the mask. The cloth masks are similar to the effect of covering your nose and mouth when you sneeze; it helps from sending a spray of droplets containing the virus into the air around the person who is infected. The droplets are either trapped in the fabric of the mask or they are redirected down to the floor instead of high in the air where people in a crowd are more likely to breathe them in.

Probably the best empirical evidence that we have that masks do work is the airline industry. Since masks have been made mandatory for airline flights, we're not seeing outbreaks of COVID-19 from people traveling on planes. The infections from travel seem to be related more to what people are doing after they arrive at their destination... in crowds, without a mask.

If they are worn properly. The rules regarding the compulsory wearing of face coverings have been consistently stricter in Scotland than in England, and yet the rate of infection in Scotland has been consistently higher. I was in London a few weeks ago where/when it was still mandatory to wear masks on the Underground. At least 50% of the people I saw on the tube ignored that requirement and London has one of the lowest infection rates in the country.

Masks might well be theoretically worthwhile, but I still say that in practice they make little difference.

 

[unloadonme]

If face masks don't work, why does everyone in an operating room wear them (except the patient)?

The whole point is to stop infections.

Are we talking about the difference between surgical masks worn properly and the cheapo ones the man in the street wears any old how because he's made to?

 

[Kulindahr]

I wouldn't recommend eating dirt at any age. If for no other reason than it's a great way to get hookworms or other helminth infections.

There are some therapeutic uses of clay, like koalin, which is the active ingredient in some anti-diarrhea medications. However, none of these are going to help with a respiratory viral infection.

I regularly hear pediatricians saying to let toddlers east dirt because it primes the immune system and makes it more robust.

 

[Kulindahr]

I doubt that mask wearing makes much of a difference. To me, last week's reintroduction of mandatory mask wearing in England was a matter of Boris saying that we must do something to appear to be addressing Omicron, mandatory face coverings is something, therefore we must do it.

Mask wearing last winter is credited with the huge plunge in flu cases, so apparently it is effective.

 

[KaraBulut]

I regularly hear pediatricians saying to let toddlers east dirt because it primes the immune system and makes it more robust.

Then they've misinterpreted the current recommendations. Eating dirt - a disorder called "pica" - is a cause for concern.

The recommendation coming out of the pediatric organizations is that children should be allowed to get dirty, interact with nature and play outside. Parents shouldn't overuse antibacterial soaps and wipes. And most important of all - children should not be prescribed antibiotics unless absolutely necessary.

If they are worn properly. The rules regarding the compulsory wearing of face coverings have been consistently stricter in Scotland than in England, and yet the rate of infection in Scotland has been consistently higher.

Scotland (population 5.5 million) had a Delta surge in September and they have been flat at 2,300-2,800 new cases for the past month.

England (population 56 million) is running about 35,000 - 40,000 cases per day.

One thing that Scotland does need to worry about: they had a very successful vaccination campaign that got the majority of their population vaccinated early in 2021. Since it has been 6 months since many Scots got their vaccine, boosters will be needed, especially since Omicron has been found in Scotland.

London's case numbers are on the rise:
Coronavirus (COVID-19) Cases and Vaccinations [Greater London Authority (GLA)]

 

[pornoboy]

So if you haven`t been "jabbed" yet - go get it NOW - or else your 3rd shot

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[belamyi]

Vaccination for the 5 to 11yos has finally been approved; starts next Monday.

Now that passport is mandatory for "normal daily life"=having fun, "living life", people are starting to queue up again... even when there is no need: they go for the appointment-free service, when there are still appointments available.

 

[KaraBulut]

Week ending 4-Dec-2021:

Global COVID-19 Weekly Mortality/Morbidity

• Global Cases reported: 265,681,353 (up from 261,231,815 / 1.7%) - *‬*4,449,538 new cases this week
• Global Deaths: 5,254,677 (up from 5,198,140) - **56,537 people died this week

US COVID-19 Weekly Mortality/Morbidity

• Cases reported in the US - 49,062,819 (up from 48,202,506 / 1.8%), 860,313 new cases, 19.3% of world's new cases were in the US
• Deaths reported in the US - 788,271 deaths, 11,734 deaths this week , 20.8% of the world's deaths this week were in the US

US Vaccination Weekly Stats

• Approx number of US doses distributed - 581,107,805 (up from 572,190,175 / +8,917,630) - 80.6% US doses have been administered
  
  Total US residents vaccinated
• 1st dose: - 235,297,964 (up from 231,367,686 / +3,930,278) - 71.3% of US population
• 2nd dose: - 198,592,167 (up from 196,168,756 / +2,423,411) - 60.2% of US population
• 3rd dose: - 45,288,817 (up from 37,499,004 / +7,789,813) - 22.8% of US population
  
  US residents over age 5 vaccinated
• 1st dose: - 235,260,191 (up from 231,331,029 / +3,929,162) - 75.30% of US population > 5 yo
• 2nd dose: - 198,582,650 (up from 196,159,435 / +2,423,215) - 63.60% of US population > 5 yo
  
  US residents over age 12 vaccinated
• 1st dose: - 230,562,230 (up from 227,687,049 / +2,875,181) - 81.3% of US population > 12 yo
• 2nd dose: - 197,549,147 (up from 196,024,740 / +1,524,407) - 69.7% of US population > 12 yo
  
  US residents over age 65 vaccinated
• 1st dose: - 55,361,881 (up from 54,796,073 / +565,808) - 99.9% of US population >65 yo
• 2nd dose: - 47,388,751 (up from 47,177,423 / +211,328) - 86.5% of US population >65 yo
• 3rd dose: - 22,203,805 (up from 19,860,865 / +2,342,940) - 46.9% of US population >65 yo

Coronavirus weekly cases/deaths in active countries (preference to countries with JUB members):

• US: 49,062,819 (up from 48,202,506 / +860,313 / 1.8%) - 788,271 deaths (+11,734) - avg daily: cases (+122,902) / deaths (+1,676)
• Germany : 6,175,927 (up from 5,788,932 / +386,995 / 6.7%) - 103,049 deaths (+2,154) - avg daily: cases (+55,285) / deaths (+308)
• UK : 10,523,251 (up from 10,165,796 / +357,455 / 3.5%) - 146,055 deaths (+888) - avg daily: cases (+51,065) / deaths (+127)
• France : 7,978,985 (up from 7,654,166 / +324,819 / 4.2%) - 120,490 deaths (+672) - avg daily: cases (+46,403) / deaths (+96)
• Russia: 9,630,296 (up from 9,403,480 / +226,816 / 2.4%) - 275,824 deaths (+8,297) - avg daily: cases (+32,402) / deaths (+1,185)
• Netherlands : 2,793,480 (up from 2,618,592 / +174,888 / 6.7%) - 20,118 deaths (+397) - avg daily: cases (+24,984) / deaths (+57)
• Turkey: 8,883,730 (up from 8,726,370 / +157,360 / 1.8%) - 77,645 deaths (+1,412) - avg daily: cases (+22,480) / deaths (+202)
• Belgium: 1,827,467 (up from 1,701,633 / +125,834 / 7.4%) - 27,167 deaths (+327) - avg daily: cases (+17,976) / deaths (+47)
• Italy : 5,109,082 (up from 4,994,891 / +114,191 / 2.3%) - 134,195 deaths (+568) - avg daily: cases (+16,313) / deaths (+81)
• Spain : 5,202,958 (up from 5,131,012 / +71,946 / 1.4%) - 88,159 deaths (+204) - avg daily: cases (+10,278) / deaths (+29)
• Brazil: 22,138,247 (up from 22,076,863 / +61,384 / 0.3%) - 615,570 deaths (+1,384) - avg daily: cases (+8,769) / deaths (+198)
• India: 34,633,255 (up from 34,572,523 / +60,732 / 0.2%) - 473,326 deaths (+4,772) - avg daily: cases (+8,676) / deaths (+682)
• Switzerland : 1,044,633 (up from 986,834 / +57,799 / 5.9%) - 11,590 deaths (+120) - avg daily: cases (+8,257) / deaths (+17)
• Ireland: 594,250 (up from 560,054 / +34,196 / 6.1%) - 5,707 deaths (+55) - avg daily: cases (+4,885) / deaths (+8)
• South Korea : 473,034 (up from 440,896 / +32,138 / 7.3%) - 3,852 deaths (+304) - avg daily: cases (+4,591) / deaths (+43)
• Iran : 6,134,465 (up from 6,108,882 / +25,583 / 0.4%) - 130,200 deaths (+571) - avg daily: cases (+3,655) / deaths (+82)
• Canada : 1,814,163 (up from 1,792,561 / +21,602 / 1.2%) - 29,819 deaths (+138) - avg daily: cases (+3,086) / deaths (+20)
• Mexico: 3,900,293 (up from 3,882,792 / +17,501 / 0.5%) - 295,155 deaths (+1,296) - avg daily: cases (+2,500) / deaths (+185)
• Columbia: 5,078,987 (up from 5,063,177 / +15,810 / 0.3%) - 128,733 deaths (+339) - avg daily: cases (+2,259) / deaths (+48)
• Argentina: 5,339,382 (up from 5,325,560 / +13,822 / 0.3%) - 116,643 deaths (+126) - avg daily: cases (+1,975) / deaths (+18)
• Sweden: 1,212,145 (up from 1,198,848 / +13,297 / 1.1%) - 15,170 deaths (+25) - avg daily: cases (+1,900) / deaths (+4)
• Lebanon: 678,801 (up from 666,768 / +12,033 / 1.8%) - 8,775 deaths (+74) - avg daily: cases (+1,719) / deaths (+11)
• Australia : 217,842 (up from 207,984 / +9,858 / 4.7%) - 2,050 deaths (+56) - avg daily: cases (+1,408) / deaths (+8)
• Israel: 1,345,874 (up from 1,342,022 / +3,852 / 0.3%) - 8,204 deaths (+20) - avg daily: cases (+550) / deaths (+3)
• New Zealand: 12,196 (up from 11,261 / +935 / 8.3%) - 44 deaths (+1) - avg daily: cases (+134) / deaths (+0)
• Japan: 1,727,229 (up from 1,726,418 / +811 / 0.0%) - 18,360 deaths (+6) - avg daily: cases (+116) / deaths (+1)

 

[Rickrock]

My cousin had an appointment yesterday at the Cleveland Clinic for an operation on an aneurysm on her brain which gives her headaches and affects her vision. They called her to cancel it because there are no open beds in their ICU due to covid patients. They have rescheduled her appointment for February. This isn't good.