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On Topic Discussion 2019 Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2)

^^ Are those really effective?

The ones with the sports and university logos are at least double-layered and fit snugly... unless you have a beard. The biggest problem with them is that they should be washed about every other use -- even sticking them in the dishwasher is sufficient, but people don't bother much.

If the bottom one is like the ones on sale at the drug store down the street, there's a good snug-fitting base under the fancy decor, two cloth layers beneath the outer layer, with a pocket for a "viral barrier" piece (the material is a bit stiff and has some kind of anti-viral materials in it, supposed to be replaced at least once a week; the stiffness makes getting a new one into the space between the two cloth layers a real pain, so most people don't bother).

If not washing these, one option is to leave them under intense UV light for at least eight hours, which is supposed to sanitize the inner layer completely while how well it sanitizes the outer layer depends on the cloth.

I discovered one issue: if the elastic on one of the loops fails, the whole thing becomes useless; even tying it off to make it snug doesn't maintain a seal if I cough or sneeze.
 
^^ Are those really effective?

Somewhat. They're probably fine for a low-density environment like a store. But I would wear a disposable filter inside them if I were in close quarters like an elevator or a waiting room... or better, wear a KN95 or KF94 in those environments.
 
In the US, that already happened and is still happening. In the more Trump-y areas of the US, there was a lot of peer pressure not to wear masks. I was in Quincy, Illinois on Wednesday. That is an INCREDIBLY trumpy place, and I don't mean card games. The vast majority of Illinois' land area is "red." I was at a busy restaurant - REALLY good food! - and I think I was the only one in the whole place wearing a mask. I just minded my own business, without any feeling of self-consciousness, even while also dining alone (which, by itself, some people are self-conscious about). Of course my mask wasn't on when I was eating, lol.

Before we had the vaccines and we had the studies showing how effective they were at massively reducing severe illness, I wore a mask because it was the best option we had to prevent COVID-19 and to reduce transmission of COVID-19. Yes...that was all we had. I always used whatever options I had, to help protect myself, and others in case I was infected. I've been mask-converted ever since I was first ABLE to even get them in the first place, at the beginning of May 2020, after a long time of fruitless effort to do so.

I've continued wearing a mask in public after I was vaccinated for two reasons- 1) I don't want to be a conduit to infecting another person who might be immunocompromised and 2) I generally hate being sick with respiratory illnesses, even if they are mild. When flu season rolls around next year, I may wear a mask just to avoid getting those annoying colds and flus that seem to pop up because people find it necessary to gather in crowds and travel around holidays. BINGO! Totally agree with the first sentence. And, exactly: I haven't had flu or even a cold in more than two years. I don't think I've ever gone past two years without a cold before. I want to keep it that way as much as possible. I'm not one of those people who are flattened by colds, but I still don't like them, and probably having prevented two or three of them is more than worth the masking-up I've been doing.
My responses above in red.
 
Karabulut said:
In the US, that already happened and is still happening. In the more Trump-y areas of the US, there was a lot of peer pressure not to wear masks.
I was in Quincy, Illinois on Wednesday. That is an INCREDIBLY trumpy place, and I don't mean card games. The vast majority of Illinois' land area is "red." I was at a busy restaurant - REALLY good food! - and I think I was the only one in the whole place wearing a mask. I just minded my own business, without any feeling of self-consciousness, even while also dining alone (which, by itself, some people are self-conscious about). Of course my mask wasn't on when I was eating, lol.
Restaurants are difficult. If you're eating, the mask has to come off, so it does create a risk situation. But the good news is that unless you're in a place like San Francisco or NYC, you can usually socially distance from nearby tables. The people sitting at your table probably are the bigger risk (hopefully, they're vaccinated).

Bars... it's usually next to impossible to socially distance there.

Early on, smaller towns in the USA were living in a bubble, believing that COVID-19 was an issue in big cities. That did change somewhat, until the red-blue divide became the vehicle for anti-mask and anti-vax propaganda.

There was also some interest in making things look normal in hopes of creating that false "Make America Great!" illusion.
Historians are going to look back and say, "So, the President of the US was more interested in getting re-elected than in saving the American public from death and disease?".


I was in a call last week where a discussion came up about COVID-19 and Ukraine refugees. Apparently, anti-mask and anti-vax propaganda was flooding Poland and Ukraine over the past year.

Poland is about 55% vaccinated. Before the war started, Ukraine was about 35% vaccinated. We don't have final numbers but the estimates are that 2.5 million Ukrainians have gone to other countries, like Poland, to escape the war. They packed into overcrowded trains to escape Ukraine.

There might be other forces that were at work in America and former USSR countries to push this propaganda. It's just too much of a coincidence.

For example, this video from Poland sounds a lot like what we've heard in Trump areas of the US, doesn't it?

Poland: Vaccinated and ostracized [DW]
 
It was so great to be in a restaurant in Ontario with friends on Friday and to have a high degree of confidence that over 85% are likely vaccinated.

It is also great to know that according to the science (including the couple we were dining with) the people who have then gone on to have Omicron have weathered it well.

Sure we might still get it. And there might still be complications for some, but now we feel we are on a fairly equal footing.

Back tolife.
 
It was so great to be in a restaurant in Ontario with friends on Friday and to have a high degree of confidence that over 85% are likely vaccinated.
It was also nice that your server accommodated your party to allay your worries and make you feel comfortable.

It is also great to know that according to the science (including the couple we were dining with) the people who have then gone on to have Omicron have weathered it well.
In spite of all of the hullabaloo in Ottawa a few weeks back, Canada has been very successful at dealing with the pandemic over the past couple of years.

In January, Omicron did get well established in the more populated areas in Ontario and Quebec but there was a very rapid peak-decline in January around the week of 8-Jan (both provinces reporting over 100,000 cases that week). The case numbers flattened out in February and are still declining. For the most part, it does seem like those cases were mild and didn't overwhelm the healthcare system.

Sure we might still get it. And there might still be complications for some, but now we feel we are on a fairly equal footing.

Back tolife.
The latest updates that I received point to a progressive return to normal for those who have been taking precautions. The variants seem to be on a 4-6 month cycle but, thus far, there doesn't appear to be any new variant of concern on the horizon.

The US authorities are still saying that they don't see the need for another booster but looking at numbers in Israel and the UK, there does seem to be a decline in antibody levels and that might warrant a periodic booster cycle in the future. Pfizer's CEO was doing interviews last week discussing modifications to the vaccine to add more broad coverage that would make it more effective against future variants.

Keep your fingers crossed but it does seem that there are enough people who were vaccinated and enough people who got omicron in late 2021/early 2022 that we are reaching a high enough level of herd immunity for things to begin to look more "normal".
 
One of our dinner companions is the head of emergency nursing for one of the largest non-teaching health networks in north america and you can imagine how fucking hard it was to talk about this instead of the upcoming wedding.

But we did good.

Even though we just delved deep for a few moments on demographics, immunology, epidemiology and false information ...it was lovely.
 
...looking at numbers in Israel and the UK, there does seem to be a decline in antibody levels and that might warrant a periodic booster cycle in the future...

Sounds like the CNN reporter was in the same teleconference:

What rising Covid-19 infections in the UK and Europe could mean for the US [CNN]
Two weeks after the United Kingdom dropped its last remaining Covid-19 mitigation measure -- a requirement that people who test positive for the virus isolate for five days -- the country is seeing cases and hospitalizations climb once again.

Covid-19 cases were up 48% in the UK last week compared with the week before. Hospitalizations were up 17% over the same period.

The country's daily case rate -- about 55,000 a day -- is still less than a third of the Omicron peak, but cases are rising as fast as they were falling just two weeks earlier, when the country removed pandemic-related restrictions...

The situation in Europe has the attention of public health officials for two reasons: First, the UK offers a preview of what may play out in the United States, and second, something unusual seems to be happening. In previous waves, increases in Covid hospitalizations lagged behind jumps in cases by about 10 days to two weeks. Now, in the UK, cases and hospitalizations seem to be rising in tandem, something that has experts stumped.
 
Sounds like the CNN reporter was in the same teleconference:

What rising Covid-19 infections in the UK and Europe could mean for the US [CNN]
...something unusual seems to be happening. In previous waves, increases in Covid hospitalizations lagged behind jumps in cases by about 10 days to two weeks. Now, in the UK, cases and hospitalizations seem to be rising in tandem, something that has experts stumped.

Okay, I'm baffled!

Meanwhile I'm almost afraid to look at my county's numbers; the portion of people wearing masks appears to have dropped to less than half.
 
^ Well, what did they expect? People start taking off masks and cases rise. Doesn't seem unusual or baffling to me. When you give the virus more opportunity to spread, it will.
 
Hospital numbers have jumped significantly here too, over the past 10 days or so. However, public health stats show that 50% of those in hospital 'with' Covid, are 'incidental'. In other words, they are patients in hospital for entirely different reasons but 'happen' to test PCR positive.
 
Okay, I'm baffled!

Meanwhile I'm almost afraid to look at my county's numbers; the portion of people wearing masks appears to have dropped to less than half.
^ Well, what did they expect? People start taking off masks and cases rise. Doesn't seem unusual or baffling to me. When you give the virus more opportunity to spread, it will.
Hospital numbers have jumped significantly here too, over the past 10 days or so. However, public health stats show that 50% of those in hospital 'with' Covid, are 'incidental'. In other words, they are patients in hospital for entirely different reasons but 'happen' to test PCR positive.
In a briefing yesterday, the UK increases were theorized to have the same pattern as ruggerladirish said about the Ireland cases.

The trend that in the UK is more cases, more hospitalizations but those hospitalizations are so far not affecting ICU census, which means that the cases are low-acuity cases. (not on ventilator, not requiring multiple mediations, not requiring advanced life support like ECMO, dialysis, et al). The researchers are trying to determine whether these are patients who came to the hospital for non-COVID-19 diagnosis and were found to be positive for the virus (for example, a pregnant mother coming in to delivery her baby who gets tested for COVID-19 and is positive but asymptomatic).

So far, they're three things that the UK peak seems to be related to:
  1. The new omicron variant. The UK cases are increasingly testing positive for the new omicron variant - BA.2. It is more transmissible than the original omicron variant.
  2. UK dropped all mandates of mitigation measures like masks, 5 day isolation after exposure and social distancing, et al.
  3. Antibody levels decline 4-6 months after vaccination which may imply that regular boosters are needed to keep antibody levels high
 
Hipra vaccine news from Spain: more antibodies than with Pfizer's third shot, and fewer side effects. Still in phase IIb :rolleyes:

Can be kept at 2-8ºC, the company claims they can produce 600-900 million doses this year.

Uses recombinant protein technology to generate quick adaptive responses against "spike" proteins in new strains of the virus.

https://www.diariosur.es/sociedad/s...la-hipra-frente-pfizer-20220316112813-nt.html

- - - Updated - - -

I know it is not a very prestigious newspaper, but it is the same information that I heard on TV news yesterday :mrgreen:
 
Hipra vaccine news from Spain: more antibodies than with Pfizer's third shot, and fewer side effects. Still in phase IIb :rolleyes:

HIPRA's vaccine is a protein subunit vaccine. The other protein subunit vaccine that is nearing approval is COVOVAX, manufactured by Novavax.

The idea of the protein subunit vaccine is that it contains the surface protein from SARS-CoV-2, usually the S (spike) protein. It might be a vaccine that the anti-vax crowd might consider since it's protein and not RNA.

HIPRA's research trial tracker is here:
https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/vaccines/139/
 
^ So the complete name would be "recombinant protein subunit vaccine" :mrgreen:

The piece of news I quoted speaks of two proteins used in the vaccine to react against the virus' S protein.
 
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^ Well, what did they expect? People start taking off masks and cases rise. Doesn't seem unusual or baffling to me. When you give the virus more opportunity to spread, it will.
Wash, rinse, repeat.

Wash, rinse, repeat.

Wash, rinse, repeat.

Yet another repeat of deja vu over and over again.
 
^ So the complete name would be "recombinant protein subunit vaccine" :mrgreen:

The piece of news I quoted speaks of two proteins used in the vaccine to react against the virus' S protein.

I apologize if this is way too much detail but I've mentioned "S" and "N" proteins but never really delved into the detail about why these are important to testing for antigen and for triggering immune responses in vaccines.

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S and N Proteins: In the the upper left hand corner of the illustration above is a picture of the general structure of SARS-CoV-2 (labeled "a"). Notice that on the outside of the virus, there's a broccoli-shaped "S" protein and on the inside there's a twisting "N" protein.

Antigen Testing: The antigen tests look for these proteins. If the test strip reacts, then the sample contains these proteins.

Antibody Testing: In protein subunit and mRNA vaccines, proteins similar to the "S" spike are used to trigger your body to make anti-S antibodies.

In antibody tests, if you have antibodies to the "N" protein, you've had a past infection with COVID-19 because most of the modern vaccines introduce the "S" protein but not the "N" protein. Your body would only make anti-N antibodies if you had actually been exposed to the virus.

Why is the "S" protein important in vaccine-making? Because this spike protein is what the virus uses to infect cells in the lungs and on the lining of blood vessels. On the bottom of the illustration, you can see that the "S" spike attaches to an ACE2 receptor on the outside of cells and this is how it gets into the cell to infect it.

How do protein subunit vaccines work? What the protein subunit vaccines contain is proteins that are in the RBD section of the spike protein (in the upper right hand corner of the illustration). The RBD section is where the spike "sticks" onto the ACE2 receptor.

When your body sees the RBD proteins from the vaccine, it starts making antibodies for that protein.

Antibodies are like glue, so if you have antibodies that can stick on to the RBD part of the spike, it cannot infect the cells.

Why do vaccinated people get mild symptoms but unvaccinated people are more likely to get severe illness? Without the "S" protein, SARS-CoV-2 would be just another coronavirus and would cause a "common cold". It's that "S" protein that makes the virus more dangerous.

The vaccines trigger your body to make antibodies that stick onto the "S" protein which keeps it from infecting the lungs and blood vessels. Without the lung infection and the blood clotting from the effects on the lining of the blood vessels, you're less likely to get severe illness after being vaccinated.
 
The idea of the protein subunit vaccine is that it contains the surface protein from SARS-CoV-2, usually the S (spike) protein. It might be a vaccine that the anti-vax crowd might consider since it's protein and not RNA.

Oh, I hope so! It would be nice to get our vaccine rate to 85%.
 
^ So the complete name would be "recombinant protein subunit vaccine" :mrgreen:

The piece of news I quoted speaks of two proteins used in the vaccine to react against the virus' S protein.

Oh, don't say "subunit"! The anti-vaxxers will say that's code for a(nother) microchip! Call it a "protein fragment" and describe the vaccine as like a fragmentation grenade -- that should being someof the "tough guys" around because it sounds macho.
 
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