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On Topic Discussion 2019 Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2)


Dr. David Grimes, consultant physician gives amazing information on the importance of immunity and vitamin D
 
Sooo PCR for anyone being admitted from A&E, and visitors to hospital are required to wear a mask and hand sanitize.
 
Meanwhile back in China, they’re still trying to kill us all

Chinese lab crafts mutant COVID-19 strain with 100% kill rate in ‘humanized’ mice: ‘Surprisingly’ rapid death​


nypost.com

Chinese lab crafts mutant COVID strain with 100% kill rate in ‘humanized’ mice: ‘Surprisingly’ rapid death

Most eerie of all, the mice’s eyes turned completely white the day before they died.
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In a Wuhan-esque study, Chinese scientists are experimenting with a mutant COVID-19 strain that is 100% lethal to “humanized” mice.
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Alistair said:
Meanwhile back in China, they’re still trying to kill us all

Chinese lab crafts mutant COVID-19 strain with 100% kill rate in ‘humanized’ mice: ‘Surprisingly’ rapid death​


nypost.com

Chinese lab crafts mutant COVID strain with 100% kill rate in ‘humanized’ mice: ‘Surprisingly’ rapid death

Most eerie of all, the mice’s eyes turned completely white the day before they died.
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cityboy-stl said:
www.snopes.com

Did Chinese Scientists Experiment With 'COVID-Like' Virus That Killed 100% Of Mice?

A study about the research was uploaded to the bioRxiv servers.
www.snopes.com www.snopes.com
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This is the "gain of function" research that Rand Paul is constantly interrogating and accusing Anthony Fauci of being involved in.

The Snopes article does a good job of reviewing the study. Thanks for posting that link.

The reason that these studies are done is that of the two types of viruses- DNA and RNA - the RNA viruses are prone to rapid mutation. That frequent mutation rate in RNA viruses is why we have seasonal flu epidemics and it's why we can get influenza repeatedly in our lifetimes. It's also why some flu seasons are more lethal than others.
 
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Kulindahr said:
Odd -- they just asked me if I'd had any near-term bad reactions before, and when I said no they told me I could go when I wanted.

The pain in the shoulder thing was bad this time; at first it was just in the shoulder where I got the COVID booster but after six hours or so the other shoulder, where the flu shot was given, started to throb as well -- I'm just glad it waited till after dinner because once that hit I couldn't lift my arms more than a 60° angle.It still hurts to lift farther than that but it's not much worse than stepping on a nail so no big deal.
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My GP did not recommend me getting flu jab and Covid booster at the same time, so they were spread-out over a few days. Felt no ill-effects from either. Slight headache, but paracetamol sorted that.
 
KaraBulut said:
As a strange byproduct of the masks and the lockdowns, we may have at least one strain of influenza that has gone extinct.

Influenza B is only known to infect humans and seals. If one of the lineages of Influenza B were to be eradicated from humans, it could be considered extinct.

2 types of flu viruses may have gone extinct [Live Science]
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Mentioned in this Jun-2021 post, it looks like the annual flu shots for those over age 65 will be changing. The masks and social distancing during the COVID-19 pandemic appears to have made extinct one type of influenza B that only exists in humans and seals. Influenza A infects birds, pigs and other animals, so during the COVID pandemic, it was likely hiding in animal populations.

There's a recommendation to remove that strain of influenza B from the annual shots since it has not been detected in humans since the pandemic.

For 10 years, Americans have had access to flu shots that protect against four strains of the virus: two A strains and two B strains.

Starting this fall, however, all the flu shots distributed in the United States will probably contain only three strains, and the change is because of Covid-19.

In 2020, all the precautions that helped people avoid Covid had an unexpected benefit: An entire branch of the flu’s family tree, a B strain that geneticists call the Yamagata clade, disappeared, and it hasn’t been detected since.

A Yamagata strain was typically included in each year’s flu shot recipe, so vaccine designers faced a quandary: Should they drop the strain from the formula or keep it in, since B-viruses are known to be cagey?
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cityboy-stl said:
It doesn't seem to have harmed him. The article doesn't say which vaccine he got, maybe all of them. So much for it killing you.

arstechnica.com

German man got 217 COVID shots over 29 months—here’s how it went

It conflicts with concerns of repeat boosters, but authors warn against hypervaccination.
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Interesting article.

I suspect that most case studies like this may come out in the literature over the next few years.

When the vaccine first came out, it was packaged in multi-dose vials that had to be wasted if all of the dose in a vial were vial were not used. During that time, I heard reports of physicians giving themselves extra doses after vaccination clinics. One physician admitted that he had had 6 shots instead of the recommended 2.
 
KaraBulut said:
Mentioned in this Jun-2021 post, it looks like the annual flu shots for those over age 65 will be changing. The masks and social distancing during the COVID-19 pandemic appears to have made extinct one type of influenza B that only exists in humans and seals. Influenza A infects birds, pigs and other animals, so during the COVID pandemic, it was likely hiding in animal populations.

There's a recommendation to remove that strain of influenza B from the annual shots since it has not been detected in humans since the pandemic.

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The moment they drop B, it will likely end up becoming a pandemic killer but sure, why not spin the wheel.
 
rareboy said:
The moment they drop B, it will likely end up becoming a pandemic killer but sure, why not spin the wheel.
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The meeting is pending but my guess is that will drop the extinct B lineage (B/Yamagata) and keep the B strain that they think it still around (B/Victoria). B/Yamagata was already declining before the pandemic but hasn't been seen in population testing since the Spring of 2020... when we all were wearing masks and taking precautions.. and was thought to have low transmission (R0=1 or less). Without an animal vector, it probably died out. Both B lineages tended to infection children more than adults and were mild. A(H1N1) and another avian strain A(H5N1) are the ones that are more severe and have much higher death rates in adults.

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I had another covid vaccine yesterday. The first three I had were Moderna and I had no side effects from them other than a tender spot at the injection site.

The last 2 have been Pfizer and have really kicked my ass. I spent the whole night awake going between chills so bad my hands were shaking and then feverish sweats that completely drenched me. I had the same thing on the last Pfizer vaccine but not quite as bad. I had a really bad migraine headache and body aches too.
 
Supposedly this indicates a healthy immunity.

I had no reaction from any of the different vaccines that were used.
 
Alistair said:
I had another covid vaccine yesterday. The first three I had were Moderna and I had no side effects from them other than a tender spot at the injection site.

The last 2 have been Pfizer and have really kicked my ass. I spent the whole night awake going between chills so bad my hands were shaking and then feverish sweats that completely drenched me. I had the same thing on the last Pfizer vaccine but not quite as bad. I had a really bad migraine headache and body aches too.
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That is interesting. The research on both products had indicated that most people reported stronger reaction from Moderna which had a larger dose of mRNA. Most people did say that the first dose was mild but they were more likely to have fever, chills and muscle aches from the second dose.

Are COVID-19 mRNA vaccine side effects severe enough to cause missed work? Cross-sectional study of health care-associated workers - PMC

The Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic, caused by the severe acute respiratory syndrome-coronavirus-2, has claimed 5,587,549 lives worldwide as of January 20, 2022. Fortunately, large-scale vaccination can mitigate the impact of COVID-19 ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I had the opposite pattern- my first shot was the one with the fever and chills and the next 4 doses have been mild. But I also have been very assertive with taking acetaminophen after my boosters. I have had both Pfizer and Moderna.

The percentage of people getting boosters has been declining and one of the reasons that we hear is that they dread the side effects. It is human nature that we remember the predictable side effects but don't remember what having a bad flu-like illness is like. Actual COVID comes with some additional things like bronchitis, sore throat and diarrhea which lasts 2-7 days. It is a trade-off but thankfully, the vaccine side effects are predictable and can be managed by taking acetaminophen or a cold remedy before bedtime.

The same is true of the shingles vaccine, if you haven't had it yet. The first dose is usually okay. The second dose can kick your ass for a day or two. But it's nothing compared to having shingles.

I have always advised people getting flu shots, COVID vaccines or the shingles vaccine to plan for a day of napping or channel surfing on the couch on the day following their shot. I also highly recommend taking your preferred cold medicine before bedtime after the shot - whether it's acetaminophen, ibuprofen or something stronger like Nyquil or Nightime Theraflu. Taking the medication will help with the fevers and chills and if you prefer taking something like Nyquil, it will also help you sleep better.
 
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My doctor was going to give me the first shingles shot yesterday but I had to get a pre approval from my insurance company. At 730am I didn’t want to wait for it. I’m kind of glad I didn’t get it. I’ll set it up on a Friday with my pharmacy so I’ll be home on Saturday.
 
Alistair said:
My doctor was going to give me the first shingles shot yesterday but I had to get a pre approval from my insurance company. At 730am I didn’t want to wait for it. I’m kind of glad I didn’t get it. I’ll set it up on a Friday with my pharmacy so I’ll be home on Saturday.
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In most cases, the first shingles shot has mild side effects. The second one can be more along the lines of the side effects from the COVID booster. That is by design- the first show primes the immune system to recognize the foreign substance and the booster is designed to provoke a strong immune response.

I wouldn't recommend anyone get it with a COVID shot.
 
The second shingles shot can be unpleasant. But as someone who has had shingles (before vaccine availability), believe me, the side effects are a party with chocolate cake and ice cream compared to the pain of actual shingles. Get the shots. It took a full year for all symptoms to go away.
 
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KaraBulut said:
don't remember what having a bad flu-like illness is like.
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I've had flu bad enough that I got ordered to stay in my room, essentially quarantined, three times. I also caught it one term end in university and sort of hallucinated my way through finals, probably infecting hundreds of others; my thinking was that it would be a bigger pain in the butt to go through the crap required to get delayed finals than to just take them while sick. So even though my reactions to the COVID shots have all been bad, I remember that I felt about as bad, or worse, and it went on for days.
 
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