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24 Year Old Man Dies Of Toothache

Most effective antibiotics cost more money than pain killers. So, did he really have a “choice?”
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This just isn't true. The efficacy of any antibiotic is going to depend on the person taking it. Run of the mill penicillin is extremely effective as long as the person taking them hasn't built up an immunity.

Anyway, I just checked the walmart.com pharmacy and they have about 30 different antibiotics on the $4 dollar rx list.
 
Ah, but he had already been to the dentist a couple weeks before..... Most likely there was a hint of the infection then, the dentist most likely stressed the urgency of having the tooth removed and antibiotics being taken. He chose not to heed the urgings. As I said there are agencies out there for those who want the help.

One doesn't need a medical degree to know that antibiotics are more important in such a situation than a simple masking agent like pain killers. That's the kind of thing most people learn by the time they are 10-12 years old.
 
@ fetaby

You're correct, but without knowing the exact type of infection and the exact type of painkillers and antibiotics he was prescribed, I don't think we can really say. Maybe the antibiotics were more expensive than the pain killers. Maybe they weren't and, as Willie Boy said, he just wanted immediate relief.

I was generalizing, and I don't think I'm alone in being guilty of that.

@ fetaby & Willie Boy,

Let us at least agree that this was a brief article lacking some key facts that are rather important for making judgments about this man's situation and reasoning skills.

I cannot imagine that a rational person who was properly treated by a competent physician would choose painkillers over life-saving medication.

Beachguyj said:
They wouldn't have had any antibiotics to give him. He would have been lucky to find a Tylenol there.
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I was making a joke about Moors documentary, "Sicko". ;)
 
Willie Boy said:
Ah, but he had already been to the dentist a couple weeks before..... Most likely there was a hint of the infection then, the dentist most likely stressed the urgency of having the tooth removed and antibiotics being taken. He chose not to heed the urgings. As I said there are agencies out there for those who want the help.

One doesn't need a medical degree to know that antibiotics are more important in such a situation than a simple masking agent like pain killers. That's the kind of thing most people learn by the time they are 10-12 years old.
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Stop blaming the victim.
He was a victim of medical neglect.
 
I guess doctors don't have samples anymore.

As for why he chose the pain killers over the antibiotics, let me explain:

I was given antibiotics and vicodin years ago for my throat stuff. The pain killers cost $30 whilst the antibiotics cost $200. From the cost perspective, I see what he may have thought.

Also, if his infection got to the point where he was in the ER, I can imagine the pain was intense. So here's my thought process: antibiotics for two weeks and agonising pain or I can get the pain killers and feel better quickly.
 
star-warrior said:
At least he didn't need a democrat death panel. The republicans in congress have ensured that.
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Obama care passed, but still didn't save this guy. Most of these "poor and unemployed" stories are about people who spend their last check on the latest sneaker model, brand named clothes and spend money on a MacBook, have internet and cable, but as soon as it comes to taking care of health crisis, paying for medical care, they don't do it and expect Michael Moore to send them to Cuba for paradise treatment. I want a full story without all the political spin from bloggers, journalists and websites that have a stake in exploiting such stories.

The guy saw a dentist a week earlier. If he is uninsured and unemployed how did he see a dentist? No dentist gives complementary exams, unless there is some non-profit organization. Most likely the guy thought, like most people would, that the tooth pain will go away with quick pain meds and he will save on spending for the proper meds. There are always FREE clinics in this country. We don't have homeless and poor dying by droves everyday in hospitals because they are turned away by vicious, greedy doctors. There is always a way to get basic medical and dental care if one really searches for it.
 
I ama U.S. Citizen who lives in London and now has dual citizenship. I was fortunate to geta job here and after about 5 years you can become a citizen.

Two weeks ago coming back from a great workout at my guy in a terrible windy rain storm I slipped and fell and fractured my shoulder.

I went to the hospital where I was immediately seen I was given Xrays and a cat scan and am now undergoing phisio and other expensive tests.

My cost is nothing. All citizens here have free health care. What little you have put in under Obama will even go away if that mental case Bachman gets in.

The olnly thing a person pays for here is prescriptions. Whether the medicine cost $5.00 or the equivalent of $5,000 a month you pay £7.40 per prescription about $12.00.

Once a person turns 60 its free. If you live in London and dont have a car as soon as your 60 you ride on the buss or underground for free.

Some will say your tax rates must be unreal. If you earn $16,000 (£10,000) or less you pay no tax. The average person pays about 38% but eremember we do not have health insurance coming out of our pay.

I can not understand what is wrong with the U.S.
 
lambdaboy, I would **LOVE** to pay your tax rate and get what you get. Instead, I know a number of people who will more than likely die 10 to 30 years early because they cannot afford anything but primitiuve health care.

I understand that life expectancy is FALLING in the United States (while, I think, increasing in EVERY other "developed and modernized" nation in the world), and I fully expect that, if the political system continues to get inundated with more and more Republicans (THE REAL DEATH PANEL!!), life expectancy in the USA will fall below that of places like Pakistan, Belarus, Honduras, etc.

I haven't heard about any plans to attack this Federal law - YET - but I can imagine the scenario. There is still a U. S. law which says that, if a patient shows up at an ER in this country, they *MUST* be treated, even if they can't afford it. I wouldn't be surprised if this law gets repealed, and it will most CERTAINLY be Republicans that do it. At that point, life expectancy will indeed begin to fall off the cliff.
 
Look around if you ever need antibiotics once you have a prescription some of the ones that have been out the longest are actually available for free at some pharmacies.

http://www.publix.com/pharmacy/Free-Medications.do

FREE Antibiotics

Get up to a 14-day supply of the following generic oral antibiotics free:
Amoxicillin
Ampicillin
Cephalexin (capsules and suspension only)
Sulfamethoxazole/Trimethoprim (SMZ-TMP)
Ciprofloxacin (excluding Ciprofloxacin XR)
Penicillin VK
Doxycycline Hyclate (capsules only)
 
As a Canadian, and with a lot of experience of health care in the US I cannot understand why America can't fix such broken system to serve all citizens.

It is shameful to see the profits for healthcare come before the provision of basic healthcare to everyone. It is absurd that the insurance industry has been accorded the right to make healthcare unaffordable for more and more people every year.

It could eventually be the downfall of the US.
 
I recently watched Michael Moore's "Sicko", and notwithstanding his polemical approach to the subject, it seems that health care and insurance are by no means available to all in the US, and much of the system seems to be geared to providing profits, rather than good health care. I've always assumed that the best test of any government is how well it looks after those who are unable to look after themselves.

Makes it look like Australia is doing something right.

-T.
 
Telstra said:
Stop blaming the victim.
He was a victim of medical neglect.
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He was a victim of his own stupidity. As someone who has a family member in the dental field, I can assure you no DDS would refuse to treat someone who was in agonizing pain.

The price depends on the complexity of the extraction you need. If you have no insurance, and live in California, for example, here is what you can expect to pay for different types of extractions.

Simple extraction with forceps: $183
Surgical extraction of erupted tooth requiring elevation of flap and removal of tooth and/or bone: $300
Removal of impacted tooth – soft tissue: $341
Removal of partially bony impacted tooth: $423
Removal of completely bony impacted tooth: $522
Surgical removal of residual roots: $330
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http://www.1dental.com/articles/dental-insurance/no-dental-insurance/
 
lambdaboy said:
I ama U.S. Citizen who lives in London and now has dual citizenship. I was fortunate to geta job here and after about 5 years you can become a citizen.

Two weeks ago coming back from a great workout at my guy in a terrible windy rain storm I slipped and fell and fractured my shoulder.

I went to the hospital where I was immediately seen I was given Xrays and a cat scan and am now undergoing phisio and other expensive tests.

My cost is nothing. All citizens here have free health care. What little you have put in under Obama will even go away if that mental case Bachman gets in.

The olnly thing a person pays for here is prescriptions. Whether the medicine cost $5.00 or the equivalent of $5,000 a month you pay £7.40 per prescription about $12.00.

Once a person turns 60 its free. If you live in London and dont have a car as soon as your 60 you ride on the buss or underground for free.

Some will say your tax rates must be unreal. If you earn $16,000 (£10,000) or less you pay no tax. The average person pays about 38% but eremember we do not have health insurance coming out of our pay.

I can not understand what is wrong with the U.S.
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This, quoted in its entirety because in the UK, our National Health System funded by taxpayers through income tax is available to everyone, young and old. It even benefits the elderly because as you grow older, you're likely to become more in need of medication. For people under 60, if you have certain types of conditions like glaucoma or non-diet controlled diabetes, you are entitled to free medication.

If you are an adult and require paying for your medicines, and you need the same medication as an ongoing way to control your medical condition, you can purchase 12 month pre-payment certificates (the size of a credit card, with a number on it and the date of commencement and expiry on it) and present it to your chemist as you pick up your meds. It's about £104 (approx) and you can use it for all your perscription needs, for example even if you have 3 tablets you need all the time, if you get ill and need antibiotics, you don't need to pay any more. £104 for 12 months, without limit to the medication you'll need. This is because the NHS here has massive purchasing power.

In the US, as I understand, you've effectively given your drugs industry the upper hand by legislating that goverment can't use its buying power to force them to lower medication prices. This hobbles any 'socialised' medicine and I hope those voters who voted for the politicians who caved into the greasy power of lobbyists from big pharma will think seriously about what a big own goal you've given yourself.
 
This is so sad. My condolences to his family and friends.

It is clear we need a better system than the one we have now. The politicians just want to argue without offering solutions because their party will not get the credit. We need to shit can the politicians. They are useless.
 
http://www.nhs.uk/NHSEngland/Healthcosts/Pages/Dentalcosts.aspx

NHS dental charges from 1 April 2011

Band 1 course of treatment – £17.00
This covers an examination, diagnosis (eg X-rays), advice on how to prevent future problems, a scale and polish if needed, and application of fluoride varnish or fissure sealant. If you require urgent care, even if your urgent treatment needs more than one appointment to complete, you will only need to pay one Band 1 charge.

Band 2 course of treatment – £47.00
This covers everything listed in Band 1 above, plus any further treatment such as fillings, root canal work or if your dentist needs to take out one or more of your teeth.

Band 3 course of treatment – £204.00
This covers everything listed in Bands 1 and 2 above, plus crowns, dentures and bridges.
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Telstra said:
Nope, he died because of the medical industries fault.
Simple extraction $183 is a rip off. It take only seconds.
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If it only takes a few seconds, why didn't you do it? That $183 dollars isn't pure profit for the dentist. That money pays for the building, the utilities, the paychecks of the staff, the computer systems, the xray machines, the in-house drugs, the specialized equipment, the fees to do business, the fees to carry a license, the school loans the dentist took out just so they could become a dentist, and probably 50 other things I can't think of right now.

What is a rip-off is people who do not take responsibility for their own actions. I said it before and it has gone unnoticed. No one gets an abscessed tooth without years of dental hygiene neglect. If he didn't want to pay the $183 to have the tooth removed, he should have paid the $2.50 for a tooth brush and used it regularly.
 
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