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48% side with Wis. Gov. 38% with unions

I'd like to see a poll of just people in Wisconsin.

Ultimately, it's their decision.
 
^ That's what I came to post.

Besides that, whether or not a law is passed about it, striking is a right, forming unions is a right. If forming a union isn't a right, then there is no right to gay marriage; both are freedom of association issues.

I think it would serve this authoritarian governor right if the teachers just walked if the law ever gets passed -- and if other unions struck in sympathy/support.
 
I agree that this is an issue for Wisconsin voters to deal with.

But Kuli and all the others who have pointed out that unions are legal, that strikes are a legitimate (if annoying) means of response in the absence of good faith bargaining are dead on.

When governments remove the rights of theri citizens to protest and fight for a better deal, don't worry all you people who support the crushing of the unions, the government will also eventually get around to suppressing more of your rights and liberties too.

But by then, as usual, as history shows us, it will be too late.
 
The poll questions are also misleading in that they don't ask a single question about the issue that is the real dispute, whether the Governor should strip public employees of their right to bargain collectively. The questions are written to achieve a specific result, not surprising coming from a Republican polling organization.
 
palemale said:
The poll questions are also misleading in that they don't ask a single question about the issue that is the real dispute, whether the Governor should strip public employees of their right to bargain collectively. The questions are written to achieve a specific result, not surprising coming from a Republican polling organization.
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It's a bit subtle, but yes, the poll is written to frame things the way the governor is doing, which buys into his lie.
 
A poll is biased?! Color me shocked
 
Yeah, we hear the same old thing about Rasmussen all the time. But they present you with all the data they use in their polling. So, if you want to make the argument their methods are flawed, you should cite a flaw in the polling data. That's certainly fair enough.

In terms of limiting the question to people actually in Wisconsin, that's hardly fair. First you'd be eliminating the 14 democrat senators hiding out in Illinois from participating. There have also been plenty of outside forces bussed in to participate in these protests. The president has decided to weigh in on what would otherwise be a local issue again, so that tends to nationalize the matter. This very same issue is also being discussed in Indiana and Ohio among other states. So, while the question was centered around Wisconsin, it's very clearly an issue of national concern.
 
I've never been big on polls because the data can be skewed easily.

The inexperienced Republican right wing Governor is just doing his job the way his owners, the Koch brothers, told him to do. The Koch brothers need more money so their slave, Scott Walker, is helping them bust unions and driving thousands of workers into poverty.

Good boy Scott.
 
Ninja108 said:
A poll is biased?! Color me shocked
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Is that in the visible spectrum?

:p


Looking at the polls White Eagle referenced, it appears that the ones doing the will of the people are the Democrats in Illinois.

They're also the ones defending liberty: passing laws against basic human rights is tyranny.

They should take a Caribbean cruise.
 
Nate silver is the genius of polls and data. No one would dispute that.

His words are......

Because of the problems with question design, my advice would be simply to disregard the Rasmussen Reports poll, and to view their work with extreme skepticism going forward.
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When one polling group is always a four to eight point outlier that ALWAYS sways towards one political slant, I am SURE there is a good reason.

Nate has studied this and has given a very good assessment of it in that article linked above. IF anyone really thinks rassmusen is a clean poll, read the article that this links to.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytime...on-wisconsin-dispute-may-be-biased/#more-6408
 
laikaNYC said:
Silver wrote Rasmussen’s 2008 Presidential tracking poll "would probably be the one I'd want with me on a desert island."

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/tracking-poll-primer.html
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and then in 2010 he wrote this.....

Rasmussen Polls Were Biased and Inaccurate; Quinnipiac, SurveyUSA Performed Strongly

Moreover, Rasmussen’s polls were quite biased, overestimating the standing of the Republican candidate by almost 4 points on average. In just 12 cases, Rasmussen’s polls overestimated the margin for the Democrat by 3 or more points. But it did so for the Republican candidate in 55 cases — that is, in more than half of the polls that it issued.
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and in the same lengthy article...

Rasmussen’s polls — after a poor debut in 2000 in which they picked the wrong winner in 7 key states in that year’s Presidential race — nevertheless had performed quite strongly in in 2004 and 2006. And they were about average in 2008. But their polls were poor this year.
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I don't think the public opinion is any surprise. I am new, but I am very surprised at the lack of openess in some of the people who respond here.

I see phrases like "balancing the budget on the backs of the workers", and "crushing the little guy", even "destroying the middle class".

But I think when you see a poll like the above you have to at least consider that there may be a huge cross-section of Americans who are just tired....

  • tired of struggling to pay more property taxes to support a class of Americans that seem far, far above middle class to average working Americans - maybe "Privileged Class" is a better term for the Unionized workers
  • tired of having to work in a Union shop and having dues taken from your pay without choice, and having to financially support candidates you don't even agree with - true taxation without representation
  • tired of hearing Union workers complain about benefits you can never see in your lifetime
  • tired of hearing that yet again, even if they pick up a small portion of their benefit costs, there won't be aggressive cuts in their rates of pay, even though your family has faced cuts in wages, forced unpaid days off, elimination of overtime, etc
  • tired of seeing Unions and Governors work out 12-24 month fixes vs. making the long-term, systemic change that allows the return of prosperity for the average worker
Let's face it Corporations have done well, Unionized workers have done incredibly well in these tough times, it's the real little guy who has been forced to pay for both. I think that is what those types of polls really show.
 
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