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50 Most Loathsome People of 2008

Jasun said:
Like what?

I'm interested to know what the peaceful, friendly demonstrations that I went to was "Disgraceful?"

Why do I think that it's going to be something made up.
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You'd be wrong. There were some that were on the news. Going into churches and disrupting services, destroying an elderly lady's cross, etc.
Just because there were "peaceful" protests doesn't mean there weren't a bunch of idiots doing stupid things.
 
You know the thing about returning Vietnam War veterans being spat on in airports? Made up.

You know the thing about Al Gore saying he invented the internet? Made up.

You know the thing about Michelle Obama using the word 'whitie' in a speech? Made up.

The right just flat-out makes shit up to trash--not even the left, the middle, like Obama, all the damn time. O'Reilly is one of the big fat stupid liars who makes shit up and makes the morons who watch Faux News (for reasons other than "know your enemy") believe and parrot it. If civil society is hitting the skids, he's back there pushing it. He's just another scumbag with a TV show, like Rush.

I suggest you donate his book to a library, so that people who are curious can read it without having to give any money to this scuzzball.
 
ICO7 said:
It's been like that for decades now, wouldn't you say?
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Not in the US. There are various things that have 'Liberal' in their name, but they're no more liberal than the German Democratic Republic was democratic. I've been told that the US Democratic Party, considered the "left" here, would fit nicely on the RIGHT in most European countries. One Englishman of my acquaintance said "The US has two important political parties: 1) a center-right, pro-business party; that's the Democrats..." I forget how he characterized the Republicans, but I believe the words 'crazy' and 'right-wing' were used.
 
Críostóir said:
You know the thing about returning Vietnam War veterans being spat on in airports? Made up.
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I don't know about Vietnam vets, but I know that during the Gulf War, some of our ROTC guys who were out protesting in favor of 'rescuing' Kuwait got spit on by anti-war types

Críostóir said:
You know the thing about Al Gore saying he invented the internet? Made up.
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Not entirely; that was more like someone spinning the spin. He actually said, "I took the initiative in creating the Internet".
 
This is what the people who did invent the internet have to say about Al Gore.

I collected this article during the 2000 election. That Wired story is a bunch of crap. They should know better. In 2000 I worked at the same telecommunications company where Vint Cerf also worked. He was in a different city so I never had any contact with him but everything he published was widely available to us.


Robert Kahn & Vinton Cerf are widely credited for having created the Internet, in 1973.

This is what they wrote on this subject:

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Al Gore And The Internet

By Robert Kahn and Vinton Cerf

Al Gore was the first political leader to recognize the importance of
the Internet and to promote and support its development.

No one person or even small group of persons exclusively "invented" the
Internet. It is the result of many years of ongoing collaboration among
people in government and the university community.
But as the two people who designed the basic architecture and the core
protocols that make the Internet work, we would like to acknowledge VP
Gore's contributions as a Congressman, Senator and as Vice President.
No other elected official, to our knowledge, has made a greater
contribution over a longer period of time.

Last year the Vice President made a straightforward statement on his
role. He said: "During my service in the United States Congress I took
the initiative in creating the Internet." We don't think, as some
people have argued, that Gore intended to claim he "invented" the
Internet. Moreover, there is no question in our minds that while serving
as Senator, Gore's initiatives had a significant and beneficial effect
on the still-evolving Internet. The fact of the matter is that Gore was
talking about and promoting the Internet long before most people were
listening. We feel it is timely to offer our perspective.

As far back as the 1970s Congressman Gore promoted the idea of high
speed telecommunications as an engine for both economic growth and the
improvement of our educational system. He was the first elected
official to grasp the potential of computer communications to have a
broader impact than just improving the conduct of science and
scholarship.

Though easily forgotten, now, at the time this was an unproven and
controversial concept. Our work on the Internet started in 1973 and
was based on even earlier work that took place in the mid-late 1960s.
But the Internet, as we know it today, was not deployed until 1983. When
the Internet was still in the early stages of its deployment,
Congressman Gore provided intellectual leadership by helping create the
vision of the potential benefits of high speed computing and
communication. As an example, he sponsored hearings on how advanced
technologies might be put to use in areas like coordinating the response
of government agencies to natural disasters and other crises.

As a Senator in the 1980s Gore urged government agencies to consolidate
what at the time were several dozen different and unconnected networks
into an "Interagency Network." Working in a bi-partisan manner with
officials in Ronald Reagan and George Bush's administrations, Gore
secured the passage of the High Performance Computing and Communications
Act in 1991. This "Gore Act" supported the National Research and
Education Network (NREN) initiative that became one of the major
vehicles for the spread of the Internet beyond the field of computer
science.

As Vice President Gore promoted building the Internet both up and out,
as well as releasing the Internet from the control of the government
agencies that spawned it.
He served as the major administration proponent for continued investment
in advanced computing and networking and private sector initiatives such
as Net Day.

He was and is a strong proponent of extending access to the network to
schools and libraries. Today, approximately 95% of our nation's schools
are on the Internet. Gore provided much-needed political support for the
speedy privatization of the Internet when the time arrived for it to
become a commercially-driven operation.

There are many factors that have contributed to the Internet's rapid
growth since the later 1980s, not the least of which has been political
support for its privatization and continued support for research in
advanced networking technology. No one in public life has been more
intellectually engaged in helping to create the climate for a thriving
Internet than the Vice President. Gore has been a clear champion of
this effort, both in the councils of government and with the public at
large.

The Vice President deserves credit for his early recognition of the
value of high speed computing and communication and for his long-term
and consistent articulation of the potential value of the Internet to
American citizens and industry and, indeed, to the rest of the world.
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Jasun said:
Dubya should be on death row.
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See how easy that is?

Actually, I think that Dubya should be if anyone should...but that no one should. Therefore I favor a sentence of life without parole (LWOP) for Dubya.
 
Jasun said:
Hm. Going into churches, eh? I'll bet. I'm sure Bill O;Reilly was just as upset about the Pro-8 supporters who were attacking anti-8 protesters. Why don't you go find me the clip of his indignation there.

As far as the little old lady...Did they carve a big, backwards B onto her face too?

Just like that "White powder" that got sent to two Mormon churches... arriving in two different states on the exact same day... I'm SURE that was a gay person and not just some big put-up job.
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Oh, I'm sure there's a lot of anonymous people doing stupid things so that they can link it to the gays. There WAS video of two lesbians throwing papers and such and making out in church and causing scenes. And for the old lady, it doesn't matter if they did or not, the point was people are acting crazy and don't realize it makes us look extremely bad.
And I haven't seen any pro 8 supporters attacking anti-8 protesters. And if I did, I can pretty safely say that the anti protesters provoked them.
Not to mention, I'm sure if it happened, it would have been broadcast somewhere...
I don't watch a whole lot of T.V. so I don't really know what all went on.
I'm not here to defend O'Reilly, and I'm not here to trash him. I don't think there should be a reason why I should feel bad or whatever about reading a fucking book.
 
MCsNo1Fn said:
And I haven't seen any pro 8 supporters attacking anti-8 protesters. And if I did, I can pretty safely say that the anti protesters provoked them.
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I don't get your reasoning here. Why do you assume that pro-8 protesters wouldn't attack anti-8 protesters without provocation? Or do you consider carrying a "NO ON H8" sign provocation? Could you clarify what you mean by this?

I don't know how old you are, but I was attacked without provocation just for walking in the first AIDS Walk NY. (Or maybe the second.) A bunch of kids yelled "faggots" and threw things. This was before whole 7th-grade classes did the Walk as a group.

Maybe you've never lived in a place/time where you could be physically assaulted for supporting any cause perceived to be pro-gay, but I have. Do you think that's impossible in California today?

MCsNo1Fn said:
Not to mention, I'm sure if it happened, it would have been broadcast somewhere...
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Hmm, not unless you count YouTube. Do you really think news channels don't select what they broadcast? If you do, don't you find it amazing that exactly one show's worth of news happens each day?

Even if it's not on YouTube, just because no one took video of something really doesn't mean it didn't happen. I realize this sounds pretty bizarre in a world where everyone has a cell phone and every cell phone is a video camera, but it's still true.
 
Críostóir said:
I don't get your reasoning here. Why do you assume that pro-8 protesters wouldn't attack anti-8 protesters without provocation? Or do you consider carrying a "NO ON H8" sign provocation? Could you clarify what you mean by this?

I don't know how old you are, but I was attacked without provocation just for walking in the first AIDS Walk NY. (Or maybe the second.) A bunch of kids yelled "faggots" and threw things. This was before whole 7th-grade classes did the Walk as a group.

Maybe you've never lived in a place/time where you could be physically assaulted for supporting any cause perceived to be pro-gay, but I have. Do you think that's impossible in California today?
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I'm not going to be dishonest. I'm ignorant to a lot of the things that happen. I've never personally seen hate against gays in the places I've lived, which is odd, because I've lived in the deep south most of my life. So that's why I would just assume that anyone who would do any harm to anti8 protesters were provoked, just because where I'm from, nobody really gives a flying shit unless they're provoked or you bother them. With my dad being in the military, I've lived in a LOT of different places including California, and I've never seen any of it so, yes, it's my ignorance, but I'm just stating what I thought. If I'm wrong that's cool, I don't know everything.

Críostóir said:
Hmm, not unless you count YouTube. Do you really think news channels don't select what they broadcast? If you do, don't you find it amazing that exactly one show's worth of news happens each day?

Even if it's not on YouTube, just because no one took video of something really doesn't mean it didn't happen. I realize this sounds pretty bizarre in a world where everyone has a cell phone and every cell phone is a video camera, but it's still true.
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I know. But I never really hear about it or witness it either, so, anything at this point is news to me.
 
OK, then.

Trust me, though, being publicly pro-gay is enough provocation for some people, and if the attack isn't sensational and wasn't recorded, no one will broadcast anything about it.
 
^^ I'm half way through it and the only mentions of politics is how people made him disinterested in being affiliated with one sole party, let alone politics. Obviously, that's changed. I would support him anyway because he donates all of his website's sales to charity.

I guess I do get most of my stuff from FoxNews, because the little T.V. I do watch usually is the O'Reilly Factor and Nancy Grace. lol
 
Habitat for Humanity NYC

Families of Military Casualties
which include:
-Army Emergency Relief
-Navy/Marine Relief Society
-Air Force Aid Society
-Coast Guard Mutual Assistance

The Wounded Warrior Project (To help and assist soldiers and families of soldiers who have been hurt at war)

Operation Shoebox (Sends support, snacks and personal care items to our troops deployed outside of the USA)

The Haitian Health Foundation (Humanitarian Relief)

Father Joe's Villages (Homeless)

Ride To The Wall (Veterans)

Best Friends Foundation (Positive alternatives for the prevention of teenage pregnancy)

Elevate Hope Foundation (Therapy through art and music for abused and abandoned children)

C.A.N.D.L.E.S. Holocaust Museum

The Columban Fathers (Catholic Church)

Responsibility (Provides Schools and funding, and Summer Camps)
 
MCsNo1Fn said:
I guess I do get most of my stuff from FoxNews, because the little T.V. I do watch usually is the O'Reilly Factor and Nancy Grace. lol
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There's a reason why we call it "Faux News." Fox News is the broadcast wing of the Republican Party, nothing more or less. Not fair, not balanced, and usually not even actual news.
 
^^ I don't at all agree with that. Some programs are (Such as Glenn Beck, Hannity, etc), obviously, but I don't believe it as a whole.
Pretty much like every other net work is the official HQ for the Democratic Party.
 
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