51st Grammys Thread (Predictions, Bitching, Etc)

[willsboy84]

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anybody rememeber when award shows used to actually be fun to watch?

 

[homemadehuman]

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One point is unassailable: we have different concepts of punctuation and grammar.

wow talk about obstination

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

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anybody rememeber when award shows used to actually be fun to watch?

Yeah, just last year when Aretha performed "Never Gonna Break My Faith" with Bebe Winans and the Clarks in that gospel medley.

 

[Guy_Gardner]

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I think Ne-yo is a good writer, but sometimes his songs sound like they were written by a twelve year old girl named Ashley

heh...I was going to say the same thing about Taylor Swift....though I'd make her a 8 year old

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

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Were the Grammys ever fun to watch though? I'm not being sarcastic, I'm genuinely asking. Seems to me they went from stodgy to trashy with no healthy relevance in between. But I could be misremembering.

It depends on your values. People who like basketball go to the game even though every single moment isn't action packed. There are pauses, half-time, but they enjoy the overall experience; the arena, watching the players come out, the concession stand, going to a game with a friend, etc...

I'm REALLY into music so, to me, watching 3 1/2 hours of stuffiness is worth it if I get to see one or two amazing performances and just one artist I like win the award.

Case in point:



2:25-2:50 (ESPECIALLY 2:48 when she hits that low note) is WELL worth sifting through 3 hours of crap.

The performance below is exceptionally spectacular. This woman learned an aria in a foreign language in 22 minutes, AND SHE SANG IT IN HIS ORIGINAL TENOR KEY!

That challenges me as a vocalist to expand my repetoire, learn to be "at the ready", and learn to manipulate my voice so I can sing in different keys outside my comfort zone.

 

[homemadehuman]

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I'm not being obstinate. You don't punctuate, and your sentences are often difficult to read because of grammatical infelicity. This isn't me being mean, this is fact -- your posts are right there -- hence why I said it was an unassailable point.

i don't think you're mean and i know that my typing is far from perfect,so thank you for your concern, but since this is not my first post it just seemed "convenient" that you felt the need to point it out now... especially when that wasn't the topic on "discussion". but like i said thanks i will do my best to optimize my punctuation,glad it's something that i can work on

 

[homemadehuman]

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It depends on your values. People who like basketball go to the game even though every single moment isn't action packed. There are pauses, half-time, but they enjoy the overall experience; the arena, watching the players come out, the concession stand, going to a game with a friend, etc...

I'm REALLY into music so, to me, watching 3 1/2 hours of stuffiness is worth it if I get to see one or two amazing performances and just one artist I like win the award.

Case in point:



2:25-2:50 (ESPECIALLY 2:48 ) is WELL worth sifting through 3 hours of crap.

The performance below is exceptionally spectacular. This woman learned an aria in a foreign language in 22 minutes, AND SHE SANG IT IN HIS ORIGINAL TENOR KEY!

That challenges me as a vocalist to expand my repetoire, learn to be "at the ready", and learn to manipulate my voice so I can sing in different keys outside my comfort zone.

like i said,she's a goddess.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

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like i said,she's a goddess.

Since I'm promoting the performances, the obvious argument is "skip the admittedly boring ass show, catch it on youtube."

That's where I get weird. Maybe it's the 10 years of MTV and trashy music videos that made me appreciate live performances so much more. I know I don't have to sit through Miley Cyrus performances and Radiohead thankyou speeches, but I have this weird thing about performances where I like to see the original televised airing live, it just doesn't have the same effect as youtube.

Kinda like the difference between going to the movies with the big screen and sound system vs. watching the DVD on my 32 inch.

I wouldn't forgive myself if I missed a brilliant televised performance like the ones I posted.

EDIT: Aretha is one of the last soul stars of the 60s that we've still got. It's going to be a sad day when she passes, and I hope that doesn't herald the end of the traditional soul singer (not microwave soul like Xtine, Justin Timberlake, and Beyonce). Music aside, she represents strength, pride, and brazenness. I hope those traditions continue as well vs. the sex, sex, and sex motto of most pop stars.

 

[MCsNo1Fn]

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heh...I was going to say the same thing about Taylor Swift....though I'd make her a 8 year old

I don't exactly see you with a record deal or a writing contract and cranking out #1 hits.

Meh. Aretha just doesn't do it for me anymore. She's almost unbareable to listen to anymore.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

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It's because I know you're really into music, that I thought you wouldn't like the Grammys. See how that works?

LOL, touche. The NAACP Image Awards are on and I'm mad as hell Diddy won "Best Actor." I'ma shit myself if Noah's Arc wins, though being nominated represents a shift in black acceptance of homosexuals and their contributions to the arts.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

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This is hardly an arbiter of anything. Britney Spears has a record contract and # 1 hits.

The problem with the #1 hits argument is that it's based on the notion that it either popularity is an accomplishment, or that popularity=quality.

 

[Guy_Gardner]

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I don't exactly see you with a record deal or a writing contract and cranking out #1 hits.

Meh. Aretha just doesn't do it for me anymore. She's almost unbareable to listen to anymore.

hey now...I actually like the broad and think she's a good singer....much better than Miley (poor girl trying to oversing Taylor) ...but the woman is 19 years old ..enough of the songs that sound like something written by a little girl in junior high

 

[MCsNo1Fn]

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hey now...I actually like the broad and think she's a good singer....much better than Miley (poor girl trying to oversing Taylor) ...but the woman is 19 years old ..enough of the songs that sound like something written by a little girl in junior high

And just like Mariah, not all songs are from recent thoughts. Mariah still writes lyrics based on things that have happened in high school, and she's almost 39. Taylor's entire first album was written in 8th grade.
But, those who want to criticize someone's lyrical skills had better be able to prove themselves better, or why the critique? If you can't do better, you can't criticize. Bottom line.

 

[matt1980111]

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I'd like to address a few things that were posted previously. Everyone here should know that I'm a huge Leona fan. I love the girl. I think she is incredibly talented. She's so sweet and down to earth.

I think it's a little rude to say she "completely lacks character, personality, and distinction". You don't know her on a personal level and I doubt you listen to or watch any of her interviews. She's actually quite funny. She just happens to be really shy and reserved.

And that's one of the things I love best about her. She's a sweet, normal girl with an amazing voice. I'm so sick of these people who 'have personality' and that's all they are.

I do agree, however, that she has a long way to go before I would compare her to the greats that we've seen before. She needs to become much more comfortable on stage and improve her performance skills.

And for once, I'll agree with MCsNo1Fn when he says that Aretha is hard to listen to lately. She sounds like one of those horrible drunk drag queens that do karoake after 15 too many shots. She's someone who was once really great but has fallen off completely imo.

Besides, I was never that big a fan of hers. I've always thought she got a lot of the success and fame that people like Gladys Knight, Patti LaBelle or Dionne Warwick should have received.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

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I would strongly beg to differ than Noah's Arc represents ANY kind of contribution to the arts.

True, product (I'm the first to admit the HORRIBLE acting) aside, I was just glad to see a gay film get recognition. There isn't much quantity so looking for quality is futile in the market opens up. Straight people have 1,000s of movies to choose from, gay blacks, not-so-much.

 

[AngelFromAbove]

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[/STRIKE], I mean FG, that Aretha performance was fantastic. It would have been nice if she had sung the song with the vocal tonality to match the style of music. I might have nutted if that happened.

I don't exactly see you with a record deal or a writing contract and cranking out #1 hits.

I think others have already stated this eloquently but, a record deal does not equal talent or even a level of talent. It's based on so many other factors besides talent. #1s are based off how catchy a song is, not how well-written it is.

Not performing the art in question is not a prerequisite for being able to appraise it. An intelligent understanding of the art should be the the only prerequisite.

Understandable. However, providing a criticism towards a particular art when one only has knowledge, with no experience, still gives a limited perspective. Like anything else, performing the art also gives a more objective and well-rounded perspective as well as having an intelligent knowledge of the subject.

 

[lurker]

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Didn't care to read the previous pages but I'm absolutely fucking thrilled at Adele's wins. She's fabulous.

 

[jj1087]

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No offense, but if you feel stupid just because someone doesn't like the music you like, then that's all about you, not the person who doesn't like the music. Maybe you're just too sensitive or insecure about this topic?

I don't feel stupid at all. It's not about me (the general me). Criticizing someone's taste in music is futile, just as criticizing someones taste in movies, people, etc. As I mentioned, people like what they like. Opinions on artists are fine. But there are some, not necessarily on here, that have this superiority complex about music. If it makes someone ELSE feel better to talk down about your taste, then what does that say about them?

 

[AngelFromAbove]

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No, this is not a universal maxim. I'm not saying it doesn't happen sometimes, but not always.

Pauline Kael is considered one of the greatest American film critics of all time, and she never made a single film herself. And I promise you she has a more sophisticated understanding of film than say Aston Kutcher, who HAS made films.

Similarly, there are great Marxist cultural critics who have written extensively -- and beautifully -- about Jazz music (without ever singing or playing an instrument themselves) and I promise you they're more knowledgeable on the subject than Christina Aguilera who only pretended to care about "those great jazz musicians" (you notice she never names any of them?) when she made Back to Basics.

I'm not stating that one has to have both knowledge or experience. I am saying that it gives one a more well-rounded perspective. I never said that one cannot be knowledgeable about singing or acting, if she or he has not done it herself or himself. I am saying that third person experience and first person experience are two different experiences.

Ashton Kutcher was a horrible example Nik2; we know that the reason his name exists today is he was a model who happened to land on tv series that took off/became popular.

 

[Laststraw21]

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Ashton Kutcher was a horrible example Nik2; we know that the reason his name exists today is he was a model who happened to land on tv series that took off/became popular.

AKA he caught a break which tends to happen a lot in the industry. I don't think Ashton is all that bad as an actor.