A Liar Should Have a Good Memory

[snapcat]

Gentleman, let's keep it civil here and try to stay on topic.

It seems the thread pre-fixes are not working at this time, and the admins are addressing it.

This is an on-topic thread by request of the thread originator.

I hope this is sufficient in conveying this information.

 

[Sondrith]

So...I see the topic is yet another "Let's bash President Bush". And apparently civility only applies if you do that. First right or wrong I think we all know the "offical" reason for going into Iraq. It is in fact, in the article but we need another "Bush is the devil" and "Repug need to be shipped off to North Korea". Maybe if you want to have a civil discussion that is "on topic" you will stick to the topic and refrain from comments about who did and did not serve their country and in what manner it was done.

 

[Sondrith]

But then my comments about President Clinton are in fact on topic then as he too is a liar. Oh my this does well....LOL

 

[PER4MER]

So much for keeping it civil...

 

[chuck10x]

Every time I hear a defense of Bush, It's- But look at what Clinton did.
It's tired, old, and irrelevant.
Look at what Bush is doing now. Please, No excuses.
When you compare Clinton to Bush, Are you saying Clinton was just as good as Bush? OR are you saying Bush is just as bad as Clinton?

 

[Sondrith]

Actually not once did I defend the President, in fact I believe I was agreeing with the article, at least in part. My point was simply commenting on the "desertion" comments that went along with the original post, and pointing out that the hero of many people here did the same thing in avoiding military service in Veitnam. I didn't open that door. But as far as civility the title of this thread says it all.

 

[unclaimedblessing]

The subject is about liars having a good memory.
Clinton did in fact lie about the Lewinski affair. When you think about it wouldn't most married men initially deny it happened? Then factor in his remorse and concern for his wife and daughter, having his infidelity front page.
Bush lied about WMDs.
He lied about Saddam Husseins link with terrorists.
He lied about Iraq trying to buy uranium from Niger.
He lied about an al Qaeda resence in Iraq (although his actions layed te ground work for their current presence).
He lied when he took solemn oaths to uphold the Constitution and later referred to it as just a piece of paper.
He claims he wants democracy and freedom for Iraq. Recent action show Iraqs leaders don't care about that. While he was extolling their freedom, his Patriot Act gave the government permission of eavesdrop on our fonecons, read both our email and surface mail and enter our homes, all without a warrant.
His lies have resulted in over 3000 soldiers killed, many more wounded and an estimated hundreds of thousands innocent Iraqis killed or maimed.
If you criticize the war he claims you don't support the troops any yet look at the deplorable condition of Walter Reed Army Hospital; and the recent articles about his policy to discredit Post Traumatic health issues returning solders are afflicted with so they can be denied disability pensions.
Recent polls indicate the popularity and trustworthiness of this country have dropped dramatically in the eyes of the world.
You don't have to be a liberal or a democrat to weigh the damage done by Clintons' lie vs. Bushs' lies.
You just need a brain and a heart.

 

[Soilwork]

Why throw stones at Clinton?

Look though a few posts here.

Their whole arguement is usually a version of "I know you are but what am I?"

Take a look at that Al Gore thread.

When the OP got called out on his BS, he immediately started to rant and rave about LBJ and JFK.

When Republicans can't win the arguement, they whine, scream throw tantrums and try to change the subject.

 

[VICTORIADON]

American fucking tards elected him the first time, then re-elected him a second time.

 

[Sondrith]

Look though a few posts here.

Their whole arguement is usually a version of "I know you are but what am I?"

I think it's more of "people in glass houses shouldn't thow stones." And for the record the argument is concerning the "DESERTION" comments. (IE how one person gets out of serving in Vietnam over another). Its a fair assessment that most if not all politicians lie at some point.

 

[unclaimedblessing]

Bush bashing?
When, as Americans, we are condemned for criticizing inept leaders and call them on their blatant lies which resulted in the deaths of thousands, it's probably time to leave this dictatorship.

Bushs' lies have been proven.
In none of these posts has anyone denied he lied, they just flimsily try to divert attention to Clinton. Since that hasn't worked, who's next Taft?.

Insofar as memory is concerned, does anyone remember the presidential debates with Kerry? "Wood?" "Anyone need wood?" when in his bucolic style Bush denied Kerrys' allegations that Bush owned a lumber company. The next day most newspapers reported that Bush did in fact own a lumber company.
Was that a memory issue or just plain stupidity?

It is our right to cry foul when any elected official does wrong, and it doesn't constitute "bashing".

 

[Soilwork]

Bill Clinton didn't "get out" of serving in Vietnam. He wasn't drafted and he didn't enlist.

 

[Sondrith]

First of all, I didn't destroy this thread, you opened the door with your comments. I simply pointed out that YOU accuse but cant seem to give a pass when the politician has a D following their name. There was no evidence of desertion. So you need to get over that one. I did not not attack you personally Alfie, but I see that you REFUSE to even consider anything that does not fit into your narrow little view and attack personally when anyone holds a mirror to show you just how hypocritical you are.

This whole thing is pathetic, not once in any thread have I stated that I am a supporter of the Bush Administration. But yet its you who blindly accept anything a Democrat says despite evidence that the majority of them are using the gay community as well, feigning acceptance.

 

[Sondrith]

Not once have I ever cursed at you. Apparently you have no interest in discouse. I have neither the desire nor need for forgiveness. But thank you.

 

[Sondrith]

Bill Clinton didn't "get out" of serving in Vietnam. He wasn't drafted and he didn't enlist.

The problem Soilwork is that he used influence to buy time to avoid being drafted. If your going to make accusations about how one President avoided serving, you need to take a look at those heralded as heros.

 

[Txgoodoldboy]

So, we all can agree on the central point, that Bush is a lying liar. Good, that is settled. Next point, none of the Bushies can remember anything they did or said. No debate. Now, wasn't that easy?

If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember your lies.

A Liar Should Have a Good Memory How's that for staying "on topic"?

 

[Sondrith]

I seem to recall questions as to wether or not he showed up for his national guard meeting (again no proof one way or the other as to if he did or not). But please show me one instance of where he left a battlefield.

My point yet again is that both used influence to avoid being sent to Vietnam, Clinton used it to buy time to avoid being drafted and Bush used it to get into the National Guard. Yes it's unfair to thoes who couldn't get out of going but its definately not desertion.

Just because salon.com says it, dosen't make it so.

It's still a cute dog though.

 

[unclaimedblessing]

The military (including USAR & Natl Guard) are entitled to flight pay for a specific number of hours flown each month.

The flight hours are carefully scruitinized before the entitlement is allowed.

When Bush was a pilot all miltary were paid on a 5 copy Military Pay Voucher. One copy went to the appropriate military finance center (with supporting documentation) another was retained at the local Finance Office (also with supporting documentation).

Even though some were lost, the other copies are probably still available at the records holding area.

Not only were flights carefully recorded, but the cost of officers meals were carefully deducted, and the pay itself was earned by number of drills attended..

 

[Sondrith]

Alfie, but there in is the rub…there is no evidence that he wasn't there. The Times article that you so kindly quoted states “no back-up paper copies are found; records destroyed cover period in 1972-73 when Bush's claims of service in Alabama are in question” I’m guessing you think there is some massive cover-up going on. Maybe it’s the people hiding UFO’s. Trust me when I say that military records do get inadvertently deleted (I speak from personal experience so…) so it is completely plausible that some records did wind up being destroyed. Pieces of paper from 1973 have a long time between then and 2000 to have something happen to them.
As far as why he didn't take his final physical, who knows. You certainly don’t know that cocaine had anything to do with it. It’s entirely possible it did, but there no evidence that was the reason. The repercussions of being grounded occurred.
As far as where desertion is concerned there is absolutely no evidence that it occurred. I refer you to the UCMJ section 855 section 85. Despite what you say there has to be actual evidence that this occurred. I realize in your world thats not necessary before sending any Republican off to NK but here in the real world irrefutable evidence is required. Apparently it didn't happen or charges would have been brought in 1973 rather than accusations by Democrats in 2000.

I ask you again have you ever served in the military Alfie? Specifically with an air wing?

 

[RandomAccess]

I think it's more of "people in glass houses shouldn't thow stones." And for the record the argument is concerning the "DESERTION" comments. (IE how one person gets out of serving in Vietnam over another). Its a fair assessment that most if not all politicians lie at some point.

Sond. . . you continue to ignore the fact that the thread is about Bush and his lies. It's not about Clinton. It's not about Bush's desertion record (which, btw, is far worse than opting-out in the first place). It's about Bush's record of lies, heaped on lies, piled on lies, drowned in lies.