A President We Can Be Proud Of.

[Apollo]

While I agree it will be amusing, and frankly well deserved, because karma really needs crush those numnutz like over-ripened grapes, it means though that as a gay person, and one of moderate action I'm forced to vote for the Democrats. Let's be honest, how often has the Democratic party taken the black/African American vote for granted, only because it's like, "seriously where the hell else are you going to go"? Having 2 (or more) parties to compete for my vote make better parties, period.

I really do wonder at times if the Republican hate machine finally belches up on a craggy shoreline built by their own hate, and a newer, much more keen one could emerge. Perhaps a Green/Libertarian type party...... call themselves the Whigs if need be.

Time will tell.

I am more moderate too. I actually liked McCain back when he was a moderate republican with actual smart ideas and was working with democrats. Willing to compromise.

Then he went crazy on the trail and turned into Bush lite.

Blacks vote for democrats cause thats what their used to, and because they have mostly always voted for democrats.

I would like more than two dominant parties in Washington, but I don't think it would work in this day and age sadly. It would be nice though, and hopefully if the republicans destroy themselves, we get a more moderate party that is competent and not homophobic pricks.

 

[Apollo]

In my dumpster diving of various older posts by the above aforementioned, it was borderline hysterical watching them spin over defending Hillary. If she was in fact the Prez now, I'm sure the spin cycle of the political washing machine of those JUB'bers would be every bit as disgusting, pedantic, and over-the-top, except for in the all things pro-Hillary slant vs. Obama eats babies for dinner, and clubs seals for sport vein currently.

I wasn't in CE&P back in the campaign days, but I am not surprised. From what you dug up, Nick was practically eating our her pussy with praise over this women.

You can only wonder what happened in his brain when the party went with Obama.

 

[NickCole]

It was as in-depth as it got according to a post search for Edwards by you when you made your false claim in that thread.

Popular kid in class is known for coming in a distant third... ?

I wouldn't have said "known for coming in a distant third," that wouldn't be true of Edwards, but I did better than the "popular kid" quote (tho that's accurate) even by what you yahoos dug up in your sophomoric search. Someone posted something old of mine that included something about Edwards being "unkind," back when everyone thought he was, if nothing else, the nice friendly guy. I saw who he really is.

 

[NickCole]

I'm consistently surprised at what this administration has been willing to try to accomplish in it's first few weeks.

"Willing to try to accomplish ..."

That's why I separate out your generation sometimes. The generation that got a trophy for showing up.

It is assinine to be proud of a President for being willing to try to accomplish something. The "good job" sympathetic pat on the back is fine for a five year old who strikes out --he was willing to try to accomplish something-- but somewhere along the way human beings need to mature to the point that "good job" actually refers to a job well-done, not merely an A for effort.

 

[NickCole]

Those are intentions.

These are people who do not understand that intention is not the same as achievement.

They also don't understand that taking credit for something you haven't done is not the same as accomplishment.

 

[NickCole]

Look, we dumped over $4 TRILLION into the economy in the past few months. It's going to frickin work. Even with just general American economical resilience it was a fools bet to bet against the American economy. By being the party of "no" they only will shoot themselves in the foot when the American public look up and realize....geez..... things are getting better.

Dumping trillions into the economy (which you're going to pay for later) will make things look better for a little while but won't make the economy healthy, which is what's needed. Like Bush, Obama's good at putting us deeper in debt but we need more than debt, we need better economic/financial/fiscal policy.

And it's troubling that dumping so much money into the economy has had little effect so far. Big banks like Goldman are doing better but the housing market is still in big trouble and unemployment continues to increase while gas prices rise.

 

[NickCole]

Nah, it's all bullshit. They despise Obama, and would trash the man if he saved their life from choking on a buffalo wing, and complain he bruised their rib.

This nonsense can be repeated over and over but the truth is Obama has broken promises and accomplished so little that his supporters are reduced to starting a thread about The One We've Been Waiting For titled, A President We Can Be Proud Of, over events that are little more than photo ops.

 

[NickCole]

... Obama eats babies for dinner, and clubs seals for sport vein currently.

You make up extreme nonsense like that because my criticism is spot-on and you can't reasonably counter it.

 

[JayHawk]

Ok so like I said you may take measure with what has had traction. A statement like "we've dumped 4 trillion dollars into the economy, it has to work" is pure ignorance.

Have you ever heard of inflation?

Do you understand the true basis on which investors are paid and therefore how interest rates are set?

Do you understand in the Chrysler deal the senior investors had their feet cut off?

So put it all together, We have printed more money than anytime in history (inflation), We have removed the solid legal foundation of repayment senior or large investors stood upon (investor confidence) and now the treasuries are going thru the roof. The simple rise in interest rates is going to choke any thoughts of recovery investments out of the minds of investors.

We will end up with a weak economy and hyper inflation. To which there is really only one example; the great depression. So the treasury will be left with one move. Remove the inflationary cash from circulation.

Granted you may say feeding the cash started with Bush; however the removing of investor confidence in legal return of investment is being removed by Obama.

Short sighted over reactions.

Try out Gitmo. His own party thru him under the bus and said hell no... Not here. Which is funny since a private prison in Montana??....anyways somewhere big sky...this private prison wants to house the terrorists. Seperate from any americans and isolated. Thereby creating jobs in a failing town. Yet Obama did no research, no leg work, he just expected to be agreed with by his peoples.

Try on the Protection of state secrets act of 2009. We are now reading Miranda rights to terrorist in Afghanistan as we capture them during a war effort. Do you have to look that far back in time to see when criminalization of terrorism did not work? How about Osama bin Ladens head on a platter BEFORE thousands lost their lives. The Clinton Admin said ....nah we don't have enough for a good case. That was what criminalization got us.

So yeah he has a million pokers in the fire and we can't possibly know how that will turn out. If they are as well thought out as the first indications then we are fucked as a nation.

 

[NickCole]

Ok so like I said you may take measure with what has had traction. A statement like "we've dumped 4 trillion dollars into the economy, it has to work" is pure ignorance.

It's so profoundly ignorant, if it weren't so serious it'd be hilarious.

It's 4 trillion! It has to work!

The amount of money poured in is a lot less important than the value and implementation of the plan.

 

[JayHawk]

It has nothing to do with both ways. You measure performance as it progresses not in the end. Take the measurable current effects and project.

As far as your MBA and the statement "it has to work", well I guess they don't really encourage independent thought in Michigan, I really don't know. Doesn't seem a very prudent statement for someone of such alleged intelligence.

I guess along those same lines your prgramme of education didnt teach you steps.

Plan change (He has demonstrated a lack of planning)
Institutionalize it (Set it in motion)
Measure results (This is key as you are unwilling to see bad signs)
Then adjust (can't adjust if you never admit mistakes)

I just simply don't see it. I do see signs things are going badly. I do see signs he has removed the confidence investors once had legally in a return of some sort. I do see signs we are not meeting our obligations. I do see that at least 75% of the Utopian crap you posted somewhere else as proof of Obama dominance will cost a shit ton of cash, something we seem to be out of at the moment. So when is the last time a you saw a someone file chapter 13 and then build a new addition on their house?

 

[Apollo]

It has nothing to do with both ways. You measure performance as it progresses not in the end. Take the measurable current effects and project.

As far as your MBA and the statement "it has to work", well I guess they don't really encourage independent thought in Michigan, I really don't know. Doesn't seem a very prudent statement for someone of such alleged intelligence.

I guess along those same lines your prgramme of education didnt teach you steps.

Plan change (He has demonstrated a lack of planning)
Institutionalize it (Set it in motion)
Measure results (This is key as you are unwilling to see bad signs)
Then adjust (can't adjust if you never admit mistakes)

I just simply don't see it. I do see signs things are going badly. I do see signs he has removed the confidence investors once had legally in a return of some sort. I do see signs we are not meeting our obligations. I do see that at least 75% of the Utopian crap you posted somewhere else as proof of Obama dominance will cost a shit ton of cash, something we seem to be out of at the moment. So when is the last time a you saw a someone file chapter 13 and then build a new addition on their house?

He has a pretty detailed plan to leave Iraq and focus on Afghanistan.

The gitmo thing was just feeding what the public wanted at the time. It is going forward though. Apparently, the Phillipines are planning to take 29 chinese america muslims and put them in their prisons. These prisoners aren't considered super dangerous though.

It might be Indonesia though who is taking them.

 

[JayHawk]

So in other words to ensure a free and honest trial we are giving them to a country that will systematically exterminate them as a nuisance?

 

[JayHawk]

He has a pretty detailed plan to leave Iraq and focus on Afghanistan.

The gitmo thing was just feeding what the public wanted at the time. It is going forward though. Apparently, the Phillipines are planning to take 29 chinese america muslims and put them in their prisons. These prisoners aren't considered super dangerous though.

It might be Indonesia though who is taking them.

His detailed plan exist because the military had those contingencies on the table for the last three or four years.

 

[Apollo]

His detailed plan exist because the military had those contingencies on the table for the last three or four years.

Yet they weren't implemented or put into use? Why did we have to wait for Obama to come along to finally do the right thing? I mean, if these plans to leave Iraq and focus on Afghanistan were around so long, why did they never happen?

Surely Bush knew that the three year extraction from Iraq would take...three years?

 

[JayHawk]

The reason they weren't put into play is because we still had a presidential mandate to get the job done correctly. Since Obama has been in office we have started putting spackle on the holes instead of replacing the walls.

We will find the house is creaky and barely able to support its own weight before long.

 

[Apollo]

The reason they weren't put into play is because we still had a presidential mandate to get the job done correctly. Since Obama has been in office we have started putting spackle on the holes instead of replacing the walls.

We will find the house is creaky and barely able to support its own weight before long.

Get what job done? What were we supposed to be doing in Iraq in the first place?

And the troops are leaving. Which is what the Iraqi government wants, including the citizens of that country. We are not their government, and they don't want us to be their government.

We will only be there, once all is said and done, to train their military and help rebuild the country. Which doesn't take a military to do.

 

[JayHawk]

What precipitated the security situation that allows them to make such a choice?

Why was it already planned?

Gee was that the end game?

Things don't happen fast enough for the insta generation yet these were where things were headed.

Next we will surge in Afghanistan and push all of the unsavory elements into a weak nuclear armed nation. Another mistake Bush failed to make. Yet that is what we are doing. Hopefully the years of strengthening the Pakistan Govt will suffice to prevent that govt from falling apart. Again more of the same plans.

Nothing Obama is doing that is successful wasn't already thought thru.

I ask for a demonstration of anything that can be measured as successful. I get off the topic arguments that it can not be the topic. I get links to other peoples words. But you people of soooo many words can't articulate what it is Obama is doing that makes ya so proud. All you can do is spew it out because it makes ya feel warm inside.

Well that doesnt cut it.

 

[Apollo]

What precipitated the security situation that allows them to make such a choice?

Why was it already planned?

Gee was that the end game?

Things don't happen fast enough for the insta generation yet these were where things were headed.

Next we will surge in Afghanistan and push all of the unsavory elements into a weak nuclear armed nation. Another mistake Bush failed to make. Yet that is what we are doing. Hopefully the years of strengthening the Pakistan Govt will suffice to prevent that govt from falling apart. Again more of the same plans.

Nothing Obama is doing that is successful wasn't already thought thru.

I ask for a demonstration of anything that can be measured as successful. I get off the topic arguments that it can not be the topic. I get links to other peoples words. But you people of soooo many words can't articulate what it is Obama is doing that makes ya so proud. All you can do is spew it out because it makes ya feel warm inside.

Well that doesnt cut it.

Sorry, but all this wouldn't be necessary if we never went into Iraq. And yes, the surge is making this all possible. Good for Bush and the military. Now that that problem is allieviated, time to leave Iraq.

Bush did make the mistake of pushing the Taliban into Pakistan. Where do you think they went when we first invaded Afghanistan? And we are currently dealing with the Pakistan problem, and so is the Pakistani government.

And if, by some chance, they do try and take over Pakistan, you won't just have America ready to go in a stop this. We will have our allies with us. Something the Bush admin forgot existed it seems.

You were given things he has accomplished and is doing currently. And this accounts for probably less than half of what Obama has going or has done.

Of course, as you have already just mentioned. For the insta generation, he isn't moving fast enough. Forget the fact that it hasnt even been one year yet. Funny, I am supposedly a member of the "insta-generation" and yet I have more patience than the old people.

 

[rareboy]

I am not proud of Obama, and I believe he is constitutionally ineligible to be President.

You can't cure stupid.