a question about Suicide...

[KingofFaeries]

him knowing the exact and only way that your life will end would kill free will. Simple because he knows it, and he's always right. And the thought of having my entire life plotted out before me is kinda disturbing.

Not to mention the fact that according to the bible he wants everyone to come to him by choice, so then why would he allow someone to turn away from him if he knew only one path your life would take.

Not saying that he's the dark about our thought process' and if he made us then he's pretty smart, so he could use deductive reasoning to figure out which path we're likely to take. But freewill allows us to choose another path. In which case he could again use deductive reasoning to figure out the new path. And now I'm rambling nighters.

 

[kallipolis]

Doing your best to be a reasonable, well-adjusted adult just sucks. It is difficult, and you're almost guaranteed to get shit on at some point - ESPECIALLY by the people who love you the most. And as Cher says, "Sooner or later / we all sleep alone."

I try to remember Shakespeare:

"Thou seest, we are not alone unhappy
This wide and universal theatre
Presents more woeful pageants
Than the scene wherein we play..." (As you like it)

Ultimately, the only thing we can change is the way we look at the world. Do you have lemons or lemonade? And the change necessary to make that move from lemons to lemonade can be as scary as hell, but in the end the joy of knowing you survived that trauma means that there has to be an equally outrageous happiness waiting for you. Don't let Hope escape from your box, Pandora.

Horatio

We have the power to change our self when we make the effort to so do.

Redemption is the path of those who recognise their self destructive ways, and then choose to change their direction towards living a creative and fulfilling life.

Life is filled with challenges that confront our purpose filled need to always be inventive in creating solutions that will enable us to scale the peak, currently masking our view of all that lies on the other side.

A wise man said that life's journey is worth its effort, when we make the effort to find and know the people who live on the other side of the hill. The effort employed in reaching our destination grows our resolve to continue our journey of self discovery.

Thus the journey becomes our purpose for living life to the full.

 

[thelaw18489]

first of all any religious belief of hevan or hell has no way of being proven since they are abstact coments, so for everyone leave religion out of your moral decisions because the main goal of organized religion is to get people as closed mined as they can get for their own adgenda, suicide therefore will bring you into non-existance, wherever that may bring you no one knows and cant be proven in any way by religion

 

[celtboy]

I was once a church-going Catholic, but have come to a different place in my life now.

Back in grade 6, our teacher explained her thoughts on suicide in this way: if a person were so deeply depressed so as to feel and/or think that killing themselves is the only way to remove the pain in their lives, God would surely have compassion on their souls.

Later in life, I developed expanded on this idea [in my own mind] and combined it with the notion of God being all-knowing, and that if He really intended for someone to end their own life [i.e. this was meant to be their "fate" or "destiny"], it could actually be seen as a very courageous thing for them to do.

Now that I have quit the church and no longer do the whole "god/heaven/soul" thing, I can only perceive suicide as a very tragic ending of one's life force, without attaching any moral judgements to it.

 

[Rick18]

Hey guys,
I am sorry it has been a couple of days since I responded. I have found that a couple of you think that it has something to do with being gay. I have came to terms with that a while back. Unfortunately I am not able to move right now. I have ran so many times in the past and I am really tired of running. I come to these times of hoplessness and scared of what tomorrow holds. I have recently found that I have a lot of hostility that has been harborded (sp) in me. I try to tell people how I feel but It never comes out right I get aggrivated and just say nevermind. I had a bad weekend it started on Thursday and by Saturday at lunch I was ready to just give into the eternal exit. I was able to talk to my partner and we worked thru my problems for that spell. It becomes so hard when you cannot tell when you are going to have a low or a high. They float so much. It is from what I understand the "Bi-Polar, Manic- Depressive disorder". I only recently learned that it also had a lot to do with focussing on things. I have been through so many jobs and not understanding why I was doing so poorly in them. I tried all that I could. I am currently unemployed and it is a bitch to not be able support myself. I hate this. I have applied for disability and you can never get a straight answer for that. So I am just aggrivated as hell right now. Thank you for listening.
Hazal

Wow, I managed to have missed this thread somehow. I hope your situation has improved, man. I'm in Mobile as well, and it's definitely not the best place to be as a gay man. You're really lucky to have a partner that's there for you like that. Hopefully you'll see this thread after I've bumped it. If you're ever having a tough time and need to talk to someone else that's in the area and knows what it's like, feel free to PM me.