Active Duty Does It Again...Shocking!

[LuvFindsAndyHardy]

I think that's what most of us wanted: not to hold on to grudges but for them to take in the constructive criticism.

I agree with this completely and I think it's moved in the right direction. I have no further quarrel. At the end of the day, I think everyone just want's to know they are being heard.

 

[Críostóir]

It's an eagle's head in front of a tattered Stars & Stripes saying 'Freedom Isn't Free - But It's Worth Fighting For'.

Thanks, I couldn't quite read that.

I agree with that sentiment. And the guy wearing it is a drop-dead gorgeous HUNK. These two things together are...well, exciting.

 

[Hellax24]

Nah, I thought the white pride comment was shady as fuck.



Personally, I haven't forgotten. Things got really ugly in this thread.

But I'm happy to see that Dink and Axl are trying to rectify the situation and I applaud them for getting rid of some of the tattoos.

I think that's what most of us wanted: not to hold on to grudges but for them to take in the constructive criticism.



I have no idea what the drag videos you're referencing are but I do agree, a video of Axl being interviewed would have gone a long way in helping to clear things up. But the tattoos were removed only two weeks ago so perhaps they just need a bit more time to do the interview.

I think scrapping the plan for the interview video because "the flamewars angered me" would be a total cop-out.

You misunderstood dink's post. He and Axl decided that the Tattoo's should be covered. He didn't have them removed. In the latest release of the new video in the promotional pics the 14 & 88 are digitally removed.


CXXX

 

[ACTIVE DUTY]

You misunderstood dink's post. He and Axl decided that the Tattoo's should be covered. He didn't have them removed. In the latest release of the new video in the promotional pics the 14 & 88 are digitally removed.


CXXX

No, actually the tattoos were covered up by a tattoo artist with black ink. They aren't just digitally removed or covered with make-up.

The reason they were digitally removed in the photos was because I came to learn what 14/88 was related to and had the discussion about it with Axl. Unfortunately at that point we had already shot four scenes. So, I decided as a measure of respect to have them digitally removed in the images from those scenes. Unfortunately doing the same in video is a little more difficult and not possible in the video itself.

Axl and I do not live in the same city or the same state for that matter. That's why we shot four scenes on his first visit and were not able to take the steps to remedy this until his next visit which was two weeks ago.

As for the Dolly Flamingo videos you mention or the "tranny" videos. I made those quite awhile back and never did anything with them. I was using them to test using You Tube since I have never done so. I'm actually not a technical person at all. I don't edit my videos and have never even opened an editing program. I was experimenting with the Dolly videos to understand You Tube myself so I wouldn't have to rely on anyone else to do a posting.

Hope this helps clear some of those questions up.

 

[LuvFindsAndyHardy]

Again, thank you.

 

[matt1980111]

I don't really buy this new change in tactic from Dink but it's cool. It sure as hell beats 'White Power'!

So I guess this whole fiasco is over, huh? Well, I wonder what we'll fight over next.

 

[JaredPad]

What Dink just said is how I understood him when he made the statement at first. It's why I said I have no further issues with him or AD and feel this problem is resolved.

 

[pabloagus]

Please , close this insane thread.

 

[RRUGER]

Quasar, I'm sure he has some kind of feelings about this thread and from what he posted he doesn't care if the kid or his tattoo's are racist. I decided to create this thread because of how he "Expressed" his feelings and never wanted to hurt anyone ,yet here is another scene. Just wanted it to be clear so everyone can see who the owner of Active and ASG is for what he is.

As for closing the thread, there are plenty of threads around this board that are 5 years old and people can go in and post their feelings or thoughts about a model, Where are they or reminisce about whatever was going on at that time. When the thread came back people were civil except for one person. There was also only one person who continually wanted the thread closed to stifle the discussion. In my opinion it should have been him who walked away from it. If 3 months from now someone sees that thread they cannot comment or share their experiences. So basically it stayed out of sight for a week and then was closed after a week of it being reopened. How was that thread different then the countless threads on here that linger on for years and still aren't closed.

So, I created a new thread so people can see what Dink and his company is about and let them decide if they want to give their money to him and new model AXL. Also, as far as i am concerned discussions like this shouldn't be swept under the rug so people can remain naive about this type of behavior not only in porn, but within our community. I'm sorry you don't feel the same way.


CXXX

WELL SAID

DINK NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR BEING A 2 FACE. AS FOR AXL HE WASA YOUNG AND DUMB. I HOPE HE ISNT RACIST

 

[RRUGER]

Please , close this insane thread.

WHYYYYY


THIS IS THE PROBLEM. I AM AGAINST BEATING A DEAD HORSE BUT IT WOULD BE NICE FOR AXL TO SAY SOMETHING.

IF HE IS INDEEED RACIST AND HE FEELS THAT WAY THEN HE SHOULD STAND UP. I RATHER HAVE SOME SAY THEY DONT LIKE ME AND I MOVE THE OTHER WAY THAN PRETEND TO LIKE ME THEN KNIFE ME. I WILL RESPECT AXL IF STAND UP FOR HIMSELF THAN BE A PUSSY AND KEEP MAKING MONEY OF MEN THAT YOU SECRETLY HATE.

AXL NOT SPEAKING UP TILL DATE MAKES ME THINK DINK IS JUST COVERING UP FOR HIM AND WANTING TO MAKE MO MONEY PLUS MAYBE DINK MIGHT ALSO BE RACIST OR PREJUDICED WHICH WILL NOT SURPIRISE ME BECAUSE THE RARRITY OF ETHNICITY ON HIS SITE MAKES ME SEE THE REALITY OF THE GAY COMMUNITY IN BEING DIVIDED.

CARRY ON EXCUSE ME CAPS MATES

 

[Thundercizzle]

I am surprised that they keep doing updates of that kid and that they haven't taken down the updates. I wonder if the other models know he harbors such intense racist hatred.

 

[Hellax24]

I am surprised that they keep doing updates of that kid and that they haven't taken down the updates. I wonder if the other models know he harbors such intense racist hatred.

Exactly. When you know your wrong and you keep doing it because the bottom line is making money and still thinking it's OK.

CXXX

 

[Fandres]

Color me surprised that we actually have a thread more ridiculous and reactionary than complaints about Cody Cummings.

Offense is something that is taken it can not be given. So I could never say you should not be offended or you are wrong to be offended. But being offended can mean little other than just that. It doesn't necessarily mean you are right. Some people are offended by the word moist.

Now that doesn't mean we can't take people's offense into account and try to work with them. That's not to say we give in to every demand but try to gain a new perspective and be understanding even when it's hard. In doing so the hope is that the offended persons will do the same.

Someone can have an 88 tat and regret it in the same way my dad can say faggot when I was ten but now love and support me.

Dink relayed that Axyl did not classify these tattoos as racist.

Let's use some logic here. If a person is so attached to an ideal that he gets a tattoo to celebrate and promote it than how strong does he hold to those ideals (the ones he engraved on his body) if he goes against them for some money?

I mean it's only fair to use that line of reasoning if you use it against Dink. Because as stated if Dink is not racist he wouldn't promote this boy for his own personal gain right?

Your logic not mine.

Until you see Axyl making remarks or participating in actions that would suggest he is racist you have no decent room for moral outrage. Suspicion is fine and so is questioning but throwing up your arms and crying racism at everything just makes you look ridiculous.

The ease in which racist has been thrown around in this thread is god awful. You really water down and make that word pretty useless when you use it so casually.

The only argument that is of any use in either thread after Dink explained Axyl did not consider himself racist should be maybe he should cover those up.

Yes Dink was rude and flaming and I'm glad he was apologizing but you guys weren't the sweetest roses either. You catch more flies with honey and all that jazz ya know?

 

[JaredPad]

Although I think the issue is resolved, I have no problem at all with Hellax feeling it hasn't. I don't think any of us of the white race can understand the feelings of hate and terror brought up b the specter of racism.

 

[Fandres]

One thing I have noticed is that these threads sure do bring the 'lurkers' out in droves.

Crowds do tend to gather during schoolyard fights.

 

[LuvFindsAndyHardy]

Crowds do tend to gather during schoolyard fights.

The fact that you seem to think people being offended by racist tattoos is the equivalency of someone being offended by the word "moist" and you consider them both some sort of moral "grey area" tells me that, in my opinion, you don't really understand (or are not affected) by the ugliness of the bigotry on display. That's fine, really, you don't have to be but if this is, as you say, a schoolyard fight, the why are you bothering to jump in to throw a punch once most of the players have already called a truce?

For some of us (myself included) the issue is put to bed. For others on the board, it isn't and I respect that too.

 

[Fandres]

The fact that you seem to think people being offended by racist tattoos is the equivalency of someone being offended by the word "moist" and you consider them both some sort of moral "grey area" tells me that, in my opinion, you don't really understand (or are not affected) by the ugliness of the bigotry on display. That's fine, really, you don't have to be but if this is, as you say, a schoolyard fight, the why are you bothering to jump in to throw a punch once most of the players have already called a truce?

For some of us (myself included) the issue is put to bed. For others on the board, it isn't and I respect that too.

I'm not belittling the offense I was explaining it. My point was that just because you are offended it does not make you entitled. I don't think racist speech in the form of tattoos is a moral grey area it's pretty damn awful. But if someone told me that those tattoos were not meant in that manner I would think a little bit more. Sure I agree that it's not very likely and yeah I'm incredibly suspicious that someone could be so naive but that's why I also talked about perception. If we automatically assume we perceive reality correctly then we close ourselves off from other people's perspectives. The world becomes incredibly dull. David Foster Wallace gave a fantastic speech about it to Kenyon College if you ever have the chance to look it up I highly recommend it.

My biggest issue was the reactionary tendencies threads like these have. I have no issue with people calling others out on things they find to be morally reprehensible. But when you have the op agreeing with someone who is assuming Axyl "harbors intense racist hatred" and then calling Dink racist and again just throwing that word out at every shadow then I think hey wait a minute calm down and let's discuss this.

I didn't feel like I was throwing punches but maybe I was. Sorry if I came off as aggressive. I don't mean to continue such behavior since as you said the majority feel this issue was resolved. My post deals more with how we got to that point. A reviewing of events if you will.

The idea that maybe we could bring our discourse down to a more acceptable tone so that we could have reached this point and revelation quicker and without so much vitriolic rhetoric.

 

[LuvFindsAndyHardy]

The idea that maybe we could bring our discourse down to a more acceptable tone so that we could have reached this point and revelation quicker and without so much vitriolic rhetoric.

Yeah you definitely have a point there. Things got very out of hand.

 

[pat grimshaw]

... vitriolic rhetoric...

Dear Fandres, I'm thinking that some JUBbers ENJOY and thrive on vitriolic rhetoric and taking offence.

The Current Events and Politics thread is full of men fulminating ad nauseum about GOPs and Republicans yet they spend very little time praising the positive things they enjoy.

 

[ACTIVE DUTY]

I am surprised that they keep doing updates of that kid and that they haven't taken down the updates. I wonder if the other models know he harbors such intense racist hatred.

You don't know that he harbors intense racist hatred. And yes, the subject has gone 'round and 'round behind the scenes at Active Duty and all of the models are aware of this thread and what has been said. They are also aware of the steps take to remedy what we can out of respect for those offended. Not one model has asked not to be paired with Axl in a scene. They see the steps we've taken as a respectful gesture to those offended.

As a respected moderator here I'm surprised you've taken the time to throw more gas on a fire that has all but been put out by most of the people who at first had issue. It's opening my eyes more and more to what drives JUB behind the scenes. Every time someone goes to Active Duty as a result of any link on JUB (including this thread), joins the site, JUB gets a % of that sale. Yet some of the members here want to say that it's all about money to me. I think that shoe may fit more than one foot.