Active Duty's Axl tattoo controversy

[Críostóir]

Don't give me that shit. The fact is Dink Flamingo (damn, I hate that pseudonym).... exploits those who are vulnerable. All pornographers do. Read my JUB blog.

If you feel that all pornographers exploit the vulnerable, doesn't being a consumer of porn bother your conscience? I've gotten rid of some porn because I thought it was exploitive, but I usually assume that the guys have made a free choice about it...and some of them really love it.

Serious question. Do you have conflicted feelings about looking at porn? I agree that what's being discussed here is egregious if true, but you're saying it about all porn and I'm wondering how you feel about it.

 

[Joker632]

Re: Active Duty update thread

I dunno, saying that the people in those minority groups are all domestic help? Kinda stereotypical, if you ask me. If I said that, just imagine the hell storm that would cause.*

As to the model himself, I won't take the ravings of posters who seem to fly into a tizzy about every monster they think is under the bed. I've seen way too many nice young men get tried and convicted by the court of JUB who didn't deserve it. I've also seen it happen to site owners and bloggers. *

I'm hoping to talk to axl himself. Get some video and let him have his say. Everyone deserves the chance to defend themselves before we decide we know everything we need to know about them.

Don't you think?

Actually, he was NOT saying that "people in those minority groups are all domestic help." His point was that those chores were likely the only thing that Dink would allow them close to his place for. I have been reading, and find it disturbing and agree that you are trying to deflect from what is actually being said and attempting to turn people who are offended into the villains, here. I do not know you, sir, but you do a disservice to yourself, by playing this sort of game.

I think the real issue here, is not whether Axl is or is not a white supremecist. The issue is that he bears multiple tatoos that are connected to the Aryan Brotherhood and other white supremecist movements. Whether he knew what they were or not, has little to do with the fact that they are polarizing (as is evidenced by this thread) and very offensive to some. I cannot say whether Axl knew what they stood for or not, but like many others, with that many, I question just how ignorant he could have been. I feel that Dink's responses inflamed this thread, more than it would have been, and were ill-advised.

 

[jobezee1]

I don't normally comment on this site but on this one occasion I will. As someone who has spent time in a Texas prison, where the AB is very active, I can say with almost certainty that this guy is NOT affiliated with that organization. Their constitution strictly prohibits homosexuality and they do not sponser prospects who are homosexual or even suspected of having homosexual tendencies.

I'm not sure where Axl got his tattoos from, but it wasn't from a member of the AB. They do not place their tattoos on anyone other than full members. Although he has the 14 , 88, and the Celtic cross, he is missing a key tattoo that would identify him as a member of the AB and that is the Irish shamrock. If he had that tattoo and was not a member of the AB, that could easily get him killed.

Since Dink said he's only 18, I would take an educated guess that he did not receive those tattoos in prison which is where most members of the AB get those tattoos. As Dink stated, it was likely something that was done spur of the moment and/or encourage by some buddies.

Frankly, I don't see what all the fuss is about. Even if he got those tattoos as a representation of his pride in his race, what's wrong with that? I am constantly bombarded with black pride, brown pride, and yes, gay pride as well. Why can't Axl express the same sentiments about his race? Oh, I forgot, that's not politically correct and that's unacceptable. Bullsh*t.

Who cares about where his tattoos came from or what they mean? That really is nobody's business but his. He's got a nice body and I can appreciate it no matter what kind of ink he has.

 

[JaredPad]

As someone who has spent time in a Texas prison, where the AB is very active, I can say with almost certainty that this guy is NOT affiliated with that organization.
Frankly, I don't see what all the fuss is about. Even if he got those tattoos as a representation of his pride in his race, what's wrong with that? I am constantly bombarded with black pride, brown pride, and yes, gay pride as well. Why can't Axl express the same sentiments about his race? Oh, I forgot, that's not politically correct and that's unacceptable. Bullsh*t.

HOLY RATSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!

I think we just got a glimpse of AD's attitude about this. Worse than I thought.

 

[LuvFindsAndyHardy]

Frankly, I don't see what all the fuss is about. Even if he got those tattoos as a representation of his pride in his race, what's wrong with that? I am constantly bombarded with black pride, brown pride, and yes, gay pride as well. Why can't Axl express the same sentiments about his race? Oh, I forgot, that's not politically correct and that's unacceptable. Bullsh*t.

Because those "other" prides (who haven't enjoyed countless years of white straight male privilege at the expense of others) AREN'T advocating the ERADICATION of groups who aren't them and AREN'T telling other groups to "know their place or else!"

HOLY RATSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!

Couldn't have said it better myself!

 

[TallOneCA]

Jobezee1, most of the discussion has been what the tattoos represent, not whether or not Axl is a member of any group. It's unfortunate that you do not have the capacity to process that distinction.

And, how do you conclude that these tattoos are are celebrating Axl's "race," when Flamingo stated that Axl relayed that he was exploring his "culture?" You sound like an insider as to whatever story "Dink" and "Axl" are trying to promote.

The fact that you created an ID to just make a fool of yourself is quite suspect.

 

[ChaseO310]

A tattoo is simply that - a TATOO - I wasn't looking at the tatoo .... and sorry that all these girls on here got their panties in a wad over a tatoo - must have too much time on their hands, god ....

and if Dink doesn't want to use Black dudes - that's HIS prerogative - you don't have to watch if you don't like it! Go away! Hope you 'protestors' have your High Blood pressure meds!

 

[LuvFindsAndyHardy]

.... and sorry that all these girls on here got their panties in a wad over a tatoo

In contrast, I (for one) find it very encouraging that we 'girls' did.

 

[JaredPad]

A tattoo is simply that - a TATOO - I wasn't looking at the tatoo .... and sorry that all these girls on here got their panties in a wad over a tatoo - must have too much time on their hands, god ....

and if Dink doesn't want to use Black dudes - that's HIS prerogative - you don't have to watch if you don't like it! Go away! Hope you 'protestors' have your High Blood pressure meds!

I'm not going to respond to these kind of posts because I want to encourage the people who feel this way to reveal their true feelings. That's the best argument of all for human rights and dignity. I'm white and my ancestors were in Europe when slavery existed in the U.S., but I feel terrible that human beings treated each other that way. I cannot fathom what any hint of that time or sentiment must feel like to an African American. God Bless all the AF JUB members. I'm "getting it" more and more" by reading this thread. I thought you guys were exaggerating the extent of racism in our society, but it's becoming more clear to me.

 

[CowboyBob]

I'm not going to respond to these kind of posts because I want to encourage the people who feel this way to reveal their true feelings. That's the best argument of all for human rights and dignity. I'm white and my ancestors were in Europe when slavery existed in the U.S., but I feel terrible that human beings treated each other that way. I cannot fathom what any hint of that time or sentiment must feel like to an African American. God Bless all the AF JUB members. I'm "getting it" more and more" by reading this thread. I thought you guys were exaggerating the extent of racism in our society, but it's becoming more clear to me.

Yep. Just goes to show you that some gay men will defend anyone with a cute face and nice body and those who supply those images.

And if anyone really believes that "Axl" covered himself in white supremacist tattoos without knowing the true meaning of those symbols, you're even more naive than he claims he is.

 

[Lostlover]

Yep. Just goes to show you that some gay men will defend anyone with a cute face and nice body and those who supply those images.

And if anyone really believes that "Axl" covered himself in white supremacist tattoos without knowing the true meaning of those symbols, you're even more naive than he claims he is.

That bolded part is debatable.

But CowboyBob, being here 6 years, you pick up a rhythm on JUB. Blonds and attractive people are given their "Get Out of Jail Free" cards from gay men. It happens over and over. Now, according to my calculations, there will be a "Why Don't Gay Men Like Asians" thread sometime in the next month.

It always happens in cycles. The mods should just merge these threads. I'm wondering who is the next "hot" guy to be excused from being some sort of bigot (racist, homophobe, etc.).

 

[TallOneCA]

A tattoo is simply that - a TATOO - I wasn't looking at the tatoo .... and sorry that all these girls on here got their panties in a wad over a tatoo - must have too much time on their hands, god ....

and if Dink doesn't want to use Black dudes - that's HIS prerogative - you don't have to watch if you don't like it! Go away! Hope you 'protestors' have your High Blood pressure meds!

Since when is a tattoo just a tattoo? Do you think a person walks into Tattoo's R Us and tells the guy, "just gimme what you got?" You can't be serious?

Nevertheless, you'll be happy to know that when it comes to casting, Dink Flamingo has historically exercised his prerogative to not hire Asians, Hispanics or African Americans. You should be especially ecstatic knowing that Flamingo has chosen the symbols of white supremacy to confirm his niche.

Obviously, this is not a big deal for you; which is excellent news for Active Duty. Dink Flamingo lives for customers like you.

 

[jobezee1]

Since when is a tattoo just a tattoo? Do you think a person walks into Tattoo's R Us and tells the guy, "just gimme what you got?" You can't be serious?

Nevertheless, you'll be happy to know that when it comes to casting, Dink Flamingo has historically exercised his prerogative to not hire Asians, Hispanics or African Americans. You should be especially ecstatic knowing that Flamingo has chosen the symbols of white supremacy to confirm his niche.

Obviously, this is not a big deal for you; which is excellent news for Active Duty. Dink Flamingo lives for customers like you.

Well, he must live for customers like me too since I'm just not attracted to Asian, Latin, or Black men. Like I said, what he gets tattooed on his body is his business. If you don't like the site, send your dollars elsewhere. Pretty simple solution. As far as my "suspect" post, I just discovered this site a few weeks ago. Doesn't matter because I don't know you (and probably wouldn't care to) and don't give a rats *ss what you think.

As far as the discussion being about what the tattoos represent, well...they represent different things to different people. What they represent to you may or may not match what they represent to others, including the person who chooses to get them. It's too bad you can not make that distinction. I apologize that I did not read beyond the first page because I do actually have a life.

We do live in a free country. A person can tattoo anything they want on their body. Personally, I'm not in any way offended by what Axl has tattooed on his chest. I've met MANY men with that and more tattooed all over their bodies. Doesn't bother me.

You folks need to get this "We are the world sh*t out of your heads because it is NOT going to happen, not on this planet. And to the poster who talked about that straight, white male "privilege", speak for yourself buddy. I don't recall anyone giving me a break for any of those characteristics.

 

[Hellax24]

Because those "other" prides (who haven't enjoyed countless years of white straight male privilege at the expense of others) AREN'T advocating the ERADICATION of groups who aren't them and AREN'T telling other groups to "know their place or else!"



Couldn't have said it better myself!

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Jobezee1, most of the discussion has been what the tattoos represent, not whether or not Axl is a member of any group. It's unfortunate that you do not have the capacity to process that distinction.

And, how do you conclude that these tattoos are are celebrating Axl's "race," when Flamingo stated that Axl relayed that he was exploring his "culture?" You sound like an insider as to whatever story "Dink" and "Axl" are trying to promote.

The fact that you created an ID to just make a fool of yourself is quite suspect.

Especially since he said he doesn't post here often. How about never since it was his first post. WTF???

In contrast, I (for one) find it very encouraging that we 'girls' did.

People like Soilwork(Jasun). Chase and Jobezee think that referring to someone in the effeminate is an insult. There are plenty of Girls, Queens, Marys, or whatever your simple minds come up with in the GLBT community. Those same girls went bat shit crazy on the oppressive "Straights" during stonewall to straight the fight for our equal rights. I'm sure the straight people who think we are less then human would be glad to know that people like you inside our own community attempting to do the same thing.I hope their are not guys coming out near any of you that will teach them that being themselves such as being effeminate is a bad thing.

I'm not going to respond to these kind of posts because I want to encourage the people who feel this way to reveal their true feelings. That's the best argument of all for human rights and dignity. I'm white and my ancestors were in Europe when slavery existed in the U.S., but I feel terrible that human beings treated each other that way. I cannot fathom what any hint of that time or sentiment must feel like to an African American. God Bless all the AF JUB members. I'm "getting it" more and more" by reading this thread. I thought you guys were exaggerating the extent of racism in our society, but it's becoming more clear to me.

+1

Since when is a tattoo just a tattoo? Do you think a person walks into Tattoo's R Us and tells the guy, "just gimme what you got?" You can't be serious?

Nevertheless, you'll be happy to know that when it comes to casting, Dink Flamingo has historically exercised his prerogative to not hire Asians, Hispanics or African Americans. You should be especially ecstatic knowing that Flamingo has chosen the symbols of white supremacy to confirm his niche.

Obviously, this is not a big deal for you; which is excellent news for Active Duty. Dink Flamingo lives for customers like you.

+1

Chase and Jobezee1, It's better to be thought a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

CXXX

 

[Hellax24]

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I apologize that I did not read beyond the first page because I do actually have a life.

How the hell do you make an informed post when you haven't read the entire discussion?

Answer. You can't.



CXXX

 

[Ninja108]

On a side note..Axl has an adam4adam profile set up. Nothing racist on it but it would be intresting to see how he would reply to hookup requests from certain groups.

 

[JaredPad]

Interesting comment about Dink from a viewer of the video of him accepting a "Grabby"

"These people are trash. Bottom of the barrel. An award show for this filth. Listen to the way he talks... so vulgar and uneducated. He's a horrible fat man with no sense of pride in who he is. THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE BRINGS SHAME TO THE GAY COMMUNITY. To those of you who arent gay... PLEASE KNOW... THIS IS NOT HOW GAY PEOPLE ACT OR THINK. What you are watching is a horrible exception to the majority."

 

[Críostóir]

I apologize that I did not read beyond the first page because I do actually have a life.

That's so common a troll statement that it's actually on the Troll Bingo card.

Personally, I'm not in any way offended by what Axl has tattooed on his chest. I've met MANY men with that and more tattooed all over their bodies. Doesn't bother me.

Well, of course YOU'RE not offended. You're a racist, as your posts make abundantly clear. Why would you be offended by racist tattoos?

You folks

Not all statements that begin this way are troll statements, but they are on the Troll Bingo card, because they usually are.

And to the poster who talked about that straight, white male "privilege", speak for yourself buddy. I don't recall anyone giving me a break for any of those characteristics.

Yes, that would be the usual bullshit racists spout when you talk about racism. You may not have had what you count as a break, but in general being white counts in your favor and being nonwhite counts against you. You have benefited from white privilege whether you've noticed or not. And of course, racists seldom do, because that privilege is transparent to you: any time the unfair advantages are taken away, you howl about "reverse racism" or start calling people "N-word lover" or some such.

 

[Críostóir]

Re: Active Duty update thread

I'm hoping to talk to axl himself. Get some video and let him have his say. Everyone deserves the chance to defend themselves before we decide we know everything we need to know about them.

Don't you think?

I do, and I'm hoping you'll do exactly that and link to it in this thread.

 

[RaKroma]

One racist tattoo at 18 maybe can fly as being stupid, drunk, peer pressure, ignorance. But multiple tattoos with same vile, hateful symbolism sets off every single alarm. It is hard for me to believe that a teenager would not know the implications of choosing such tattoo themes. There is no way that this guy never had racist beliefs. And if he really regrets and is a changed person, he could try to be a better person by collecting all the money from his cum swapping sessions and remove these tattoos. And even if the excuses people make up for him are correct, it is still mind boggling how anyone, especially an oppressed minority group (LGBTQ) can write here that his tattoos don't bother them at all. He can be the sweetest angel on the planet, but having those symbols in your face should send shivers down every person's body. Please, if some of your sole motives for defending him is because he is some ("hot", big dicked ?boy doing gay porn) then you need to reevaluate your own selves and values. I'm fairly certain that if this were some straight guy, not involved in gay pornography, there wouldn't be so much effort to make excuses for such tattoos.