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Active Duty's Axl tattoo controversy

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My point is simply we get outraged over this but don't seem to have the same level of outrage over the gay4payers or Spencer Reed still being in porn for that matter. Racist tattoos (many of the ones he has have other meanings as well) are bad but homophobic/domestic violence isn't?

They have other meanings? What are they? Who are the models you claim are non white working or have worked for AD? That question you still haven't answered yet you were the one to make that claim.


CXXX..|
 
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To be honest, I've always enjoyed your posts and I actually regret writing that. I was caught up in the mood and what you wrote set me off but I usually enjoy your arguments.

No hard feelings I hope.

none at all. I get caught up in the debates too. It's a bit of a hobby for me.

Been that kind of day.

I'm sure we'll all calm down soon.

That said... I'm pretty sure that Axl is telling the truth. I've seen a lot of stupid tattoos on guys before.
 
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They have other meanings? What are they? Who are the models you claim are non white working or have worked for AD? That question you still haven't answered yet you were the one to make that claim.


CXXX..|

I know a lot of people with Spider webs and Celtic Crosses. Those are pretty common, actually. And seldom mean what people are saying they mean.
 
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WHAT bluffs, though? It's MORE deflection to make the story about the people posting here rather than about the racist tattoos!

You're joining him in making this about "shit stirrers" rather than the offensive, racist tattoos on display!

Jeezus!!

But.. ARE they racist tattoos?

I've been accused of having those, too. I've also had people react in shock when they meet my husband and find that he's not a jocky Fratboy or WeHo model but a rather handsome 50 year-old man who isn't white and kick boxes for a hobby. Then comes home and becomes a Vegan chef (a skill he learned for me, by the way).
 
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They have other meanings? What are they? Who are the models you claim are non white working or have worked for AD? That question you still haven't answered yet you were the one to make that claim.


CXXX..|

The Celetic Cross is used in many other contexts. My friend who is Irish has one on his arm. The spider web one has become trendy for some reason. A few of my friends have them and I can vouch that they aren't racist.
As to the scenes, there's Vinny & Logan,Rico&Cole & Luke, Rico & Kody & Cheyenne,***** & Rick (released a few weeks ago) Alex Chicago.
I could be wrong..but I won't villify someone without knowing more or hearing them speak.
Hence the resaon I'm harsh on certain gay4payers and Spencer Reed. Their words have spoken loud and clear about who they are. Axel has yet to do that.
 
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Wouldn't it just have been simpler to APOLOGIZE two pages ago?

"I didn't realize what those tattoos meant and I'm VERY SORRY that it caused offense." See how simple that would have been?

You've spent so much time excusing and deflecting and blaming the messenger that I"m more turned off by your attitude to the whole situation than I originally was to the stupid kid with the racist tattoos.

I WILL cancel my membership (you were wrong there) but I don't want you to do me any favors.

With that I will (finally) say good night to all of this.

I insist on giving you a refund. I'm sorry you feel the way you do. Email me your username and password and I will issue you a refund immediately.
 
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I insist on giving you a refund. I'm sorry you feel the way you do. Email me your username and password and I will issue you a refund immediately.

I didn't ask you for a refund and, to be honest, I would (at this point) not be all that comfortable sending my contact information. We will go our separate ways and be done with it. This has exhausted me, quite frankly, and I'm done with it.

Besides, I think Jasun has a point when he says the "offer" is a chance to "call a bluff" and determine whether or not complainers might be paying customers (not that that is really what's at issue but seems to be for you) so I'm not about to play into that game one way or the other. The money is already spent, but thanks ahyway.
 
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Everyone's mind has already been made up, so there is no point in talking about it any further...

IMO, the truest thing said in the past 2 pages; and yet, here we are some 80 posts later still talking about it

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Sarcastically racist. Yummy!

Oh Shucks! I mean just because you hire models who are ethnic and yet looks caucasion doesn't negate the fact that you are not racist.

Now if that ain't the pot calling the kettle.........:=D:

Deflecting some more after you swore for the umpteenth time that you were not going to post again. I guess saying and doing are 2 very different things. Shocker. Also, i find it interesting that on Men Of Porn

"Dink Flamingo said in reply to C.A....
There will be nothing more on the subject from me, Axl or Active Duty. We're moving on. There's porn to be made. I'll leave this dead subject to you guys. But maybe, just maybe he was afraid if he said it referred to a GIRL that he'd be nailed to the cross by all the viewers who don't want to know that he ever dare be in love with a woman." An 18 year old model who is to all accounts by your description is dumb as a box of rocks and needing to explore his sexuality would be savvy enough to think far enough ahead to not mention a girl because gay People would nail him to a cross.

Yet, your business model is that of getting str8 guys to have gay sex and there is no shortage of str8 banter in your movies but, not with this guy.


All due respect...that sounds racist as well.

Pointing out what Dink continues to put out is not racist. It's REAL!

CXXX..|
 
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Gurrrl, same. Not the south part. The AD viewage part. I don't even know how I got sucked into this. I only started checking the AD thread for Bric.

I know, right. Bric could get it. And Kaden, of course. (Their scene together. I died.)
 
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People are making a lot of assumptions in this thread, especially for such a serious accusation. White Supremacists generally aren't very subtle when it comes to displaying their ideology. The belief that he's an AB member or sympathizer is based on some interpretations of symbols on a few website provided by Cowboy Bob, but even these sites warn against drawing conclusions solely from these symbols:

From the StrHATE Talk site in reference to the Celtic Cross: This symbol is not racist by itself, so you may have to look for other signs of racism.

From ADL.org: It is important to note that the Celtic Cross is used widely today in many mainstream and cultural contexts. No one should assume that a Celtic Cross, divorced from other trappings of extremism, automatically denotes use as a hate symbol.

From WIKIanswers: The tattoo of a spiderweb on an elbow or a neck most usually indicates that a person has done time in jail/prison. The spiderweb as a symbol of "doing time" comes from the notion that a spider web catches and imprisons. Therefore translating to doing time. All ethnic races; especially gang members may "ink up" with a spiderweb. Most likely places to find the spiderweb tattoo are: neck, elbows and knees. However, one may find them almost anyplace on the body. The location of the tattoo means nothing.
Comments that a spiderweb tattoo means that a person is a gang member, an NLR member, Aryan member, etc.; or that the wearer has killed someone are really myths and are without any supportive evidence. These days, many pseudo "tough guys" will wear this tat to "look the part."


I abhor racism, but I haven't seen any evidence yet that this guy is racist, much less a supporter of white supremacist or Nazi groups. Having tattoos depicting Norse or Viking iconography doesn't make one a racist. Yes, those symbols are popular with skinhead types, but it's a huge leap and an illogical argument to claim that everyone having tats depicting anything from Norse or Celtic mythology is a member of a hate group. That's as absurd as saying anyone with a rainbow flag sticker on their car must must be a drag queen.

White Supremacists have co-opted a lot of symbolism from Scandinavian and other Northern European mythology and some of them follow nordic pagan religions, but it's incorrect to come to the conclusion that nordic=racist. Many supremacists also are Christians. By this logic one would have to assume that all Christians are also supporters of the AB.

It's too easy to weave conspiracy theories based on symbol alone. Does everyone who has the number 88 in their email address mean to say Heil Hitler? What if it stands for the year they were born? So now any use of runes means one will automatically be labeled a racist?

I can't say whether or not this guy is a racist because I don't know him. Maybe he is or maybe he isn't, but most AB people are quite proud of it and quite vocal. And while I'm sure there are racists in gay porn, an ideological extremist member of some aryan group isn't likely to just go out and do gay porn. Not that it couldn't happen, but such far right groups aren't very tolerant of things like that.

And no, I'm not making excuses or trying to justify anything. He may well be everything he's accused of, but I'm not convinced of that at all. There's not even enough evidence here to be suspicious imo. Something other than subjective interpretation of tattoos has to be present before labeling someone like this.

Racism is deplorable and it's good that so many are conscious of its existent, but let's not go on witch hunts and assume that any spot on the body is proof of a pact with Satan. In the days of the witch trials they'd throw the accused in the water and if they floated to the top then they were guilty. If they sank to the bottom and drowned, then they were innocent. It seems a lot of people are ready to declare guilt based on very little.
 
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I don't even know who the hell this is about but I must ask..........has it dawned on ANYONE that maybe, M A Y B E, SOME people get a particular tat because it LOOKS COOL......WITHOUT analyzing it to death?....... :confused:
 
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People are making a lot of assumptions in this thread, especially for such a serious accusation. White Supremacists generally aren't very subtle when it comes to displaying their ideology. The belief that he's an AB member or sympathizer is based on some interpretations of symbols on a few website provided by Cowboy Bob, but even these sites warn against drawing conclusions solely from these symbols:

From the StrHATE Talk site in reference to the Celtic Cross: This symbol is not racist by itself, so you may have to look for other signs of racism.

From ADL.org: It is important to note that the Celtic Cross is used widely today in many mainstream and cultural contexts. No one should assume that a Celtic Cross, divorced from other trappings of extremism, automatically denotes use as a hate symbol.

From WIKIanswers: The tattoo of a spiderweb on an elbow or a neck most usually indicates that a person has done time in jail/prison. The spiderweb as a symbol of "doing time" comes from the notion that a spider web catches and imprisons. Therefore translating to doing time. All ethnic races; especially gang members may "ink up" with a spiderweb. Most likely places to find the spiderweb tattoo are: neck, elbows and knees. However, one may find them almost anyplace on the body. The location of the tattoo means nothing.
Comments that a spiderweb tattoo means that a person is a gang member, an NLR member, Aryan member, etc.; or that the wearer has killed someone are really myths and are without any supportive evidence. These days, many pseudo "tough guys" will wear this tat to "look the part."


I abhor racism, but I haven't seen any evidence yet that this guy is racist, much less a supporter of white supremacist or Nazi groups. Having tattoos depicting Norse or Viking iconography doesn't make one a racist. Yes, those symbols are popular with skinhead types, but it's a huge leap and an illogical argument to claim that everyone having tats depicting anything from Norse or Celtic mythology is a member of a hate group. That's as absurd as saying anyone with a rainbow flag sticker on their car must must be a drag queen.

White Supremacists have co-opted a lot of symbolism from Scandinavian and other Northern European mythology and some of them follow nordic pagan religions, but it's incorrect to come to the conclusion that nordic=racist. Many supremacists also are Christians. By this logic one would have to assume that all Christians are also supporters of the AB.

It's too easy to weave conspiracy theories based on symbol alone. Does everyone who has the number 88 in their email address mean to say Heil Hitler? What if it stands for the year they were born? So now any use of runes means one will automatically be labeled a racist?

I can't say whether or not this guy is a racist because I don't know him. Maybe he is or maybe he isn't, but most AB people are quite proud of it and quite vocal. And while I'm sure there are racists in gay porn, an ideological extremist member of some aryan group isn't likely to just go out and do gay porn. Not that it couldn't happen, but such far right groups aren't very tolerant of things like that.

And no, I'm not making excuses or trying to justify anything. He may well be everything he's accused of, but I'm not convinced of that at all. There's not even enough evidence here to be suspicious imo. Something other than subjective interpretation of tattoos has to be present before labeling someone like this.

Racism is deplorable and it's good that so many are conscious of its existent, but let's not go on witch hunts and assume that any spot on the body is proof of a pact with Satan. In the days of the witch trials they'd throw the accused in the water and if they floated to the top then they were guilty. If they sank to the bottom and drowned, then they were innocent. It seems a lot of people are ready to declare guilt based on very little.

:confused: What do you mean based on very little? Heck have you gooogled 14 88 and you will see what pops up.

If you are going to get a tattoo USE THE DAMN INTERNET TO LOOK UP THE DAMN MEANING This would not even be up for debate or whatever this is if AXL had followed that simple rule as I said before assuming he had the internet or whatnot. I really don't know his history. But this debate back and forth is getting tired real quick. WEDNESDAY WARCHEST UPDATE can't get here fast enough for me.

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