Active Duty's Axl tattoo controversy

[BUD001]

Re: Active Duty update thread

That's fine. Personally, I have trouble believing that this middle-aged, been-around-the-block smut peddler (and I say this as a middle-aged, been-around-the-block smut fan, so no offense intended!) is suddenly this naive, googly-eyed, giddy little lovestruck schoolgirl being conned by the smooth, slick, doe-eyed 18-year-old heartthrob. It's a crock of horseshit, and I believe he knows it, whether he concocted it himself or it originated from him the little Nazi kid himself.



But we're talking about HIS scenario, the one you seem somewhat inclined to believe, in which he's NOT a white supremacist, remember? For that to be the case, not only would he have had to have gotten every single one of those white-supremacist-related tattoos unknowingly, but he would have also had to have walked around with them, without a single person, including all of his friends, family members and acquaintances calling any of it to his attention...to which I can only say that you're going to swallow the rest of the bullshit story, you might as well believe that part too.

i said "assuming". That said, Maybe you are right that he knows and he doesnt care. Regardless, even if Axl is a nazi neophyte, that doesnt mean Dink is up to no good when he puts his scenes up. On the other hand, maybe his family and coworkers dont know what the tat means. 14/88 is designed to not be immediately recognizable by laymen. If i didnt study this stuff i wouldnt know either. If his mom ask what his tat means, he can just as easily lie to mommy as he lied to Dink.

Bottom line: unless we know him, talk to him, and he actually said those very naughty K-words, F-words, N-words and S-words, we dont know if he is a real racist or a stupid kid with tats.

 

[ezwriter]

Re: Active Duty update thread

At the end of the day..they're both still murderers,whether they killed six million people or two.

And at the end of the day, Hitler and a jaywalker are both lawbreakers, whether they killed 6 million Jews or crossed the street when the light was red...

Sane people understand that, although they're both evil acts, committing a genocide is worse than killing two people.

 

[BUD001]

Re: Active Duty update thread

And at the end of the day, Hitler and a jaywalker are both lawbreakers, whether they killed 6 million Jews or crossed the street when the light was red...

Sane people understand that, although they're both evil acts, committing a genocide is worse than killing two people.

Is it? for cold blooded murders the punishment is the same. It brought misery to 2 families or millions of them, and both are morally repugnant especially if the 2 killed are also due to hate.

 

[Ninja108]

Re: Active Duty update thread

And at the end of the day, Hitler and a jaywalker are both lawbreakers, whether they killed 6 million Jews or crossed the street when the light was red...

Sane people understand that, although they're both evil acts, committing a genocide is worse than killing two people.

I'm sure that would a comfort to the families of the two victims. Hitler was a monster who quite frankly should have been roasted alive. But idea that somehow a gang banger isn't as bad as a neo nazi is also a joke. There have been thousands of innocent lives lost to Latin Kings and other gangs as well. The idea that somehow one is more acceptable than the other..no.

 

[BUD001]

Re: Active Duty update thread

At the end of the day..they're both still murderers,whether they killed six million people or two. It should also be obvious at this point that everyone here is beating a dead horse. Use your wallet (as a couple of members have said they would) to complain.
Axl isn't the first questionable person to be in porn..and he won't be the last. The fact Spencer Reed is still in porn is proof of that.

I said that i think 20 posts ago, that people have the right to vote with their wallets.

Dont get me started on the reed case. what a mess. Actually lots of gay porn actors are hot fucking messes.

Bottom line: visit porn site, buy porn, see the guys as who they are: hot gusy who would have sex on camera for your wanking pleasure. Leave their politics, behavior and all the other things to them.

 

[ezwriter]

Re: Active Duty update thread

I agree with you there. But murder is murder, and hate is hate, and hate motivated murder is still that whether its one victim or 6 million.

In a recent conference a speaker was talking about the idea of memorialization of tragedies and the holocaust was the central object of the study. One of the participants of the conference actually said that Jewish victims should be the only one memorialized because there are more than 3 million of them, while others are in much smaller numbers. When i pointed out that gays died in the holocaust too he actually claimed that holocaust is for jews only and not for gays, saying ther word doesnt apply to gay victims. Like i said, murder is murder and if we differentiate "severity" of the murder by number than everyone loses.

An earthquake that kills 10,000 people is worse than an earthquake that kills 10. Both are tragic events, but one is more tragic than the other.

That's all I'm saying.

 

[ezwriter]

Re: Active Duty update thread

Is it? for cold blooded murders the punishment is the same. It brought misery to 2 families or millions of them, and both are morally repugnant especially if the 2 killed are also due to hate.

Actually, no, the punishments aren't the same. The punishments become more severe the more victims there are. Duh.

 

[BUD001]

Re: Active Duty update thread

An earthquake that kills 10,000 people is worse than an earthquake that kills 10. Both are tragic events, but one is more tragic than the other.

That's all I'm saying.

But the earthquake had no intent. Are you really comparing a human with an unforeseeable natural event?

 

[BUD001]

Re: Active Duty update thread

Actually, no, the punishments aren't the same. The punishments become more severe the more victims there are. Duh.

Life sentence is a life sentence, most likely without parole. Or death penalty. Either way, you get to kill him or jail him for life only once.

 

[Hellax24]

Re: Active Duty update thread

But that is changing the issue again:

I have not seen the scene but i dont think at any time Axl sprouted his views on race on camera. So all we have to go on is his tats. So as far as we know he THINKS that way, maybe. Unless we have on record he committed a hate crime, his beliefs has not been translated into action, and a tat is still just a tat.

Harlow and the the sean cody guy KILLED someone, actually, physically killed someone. So by your logic, Axl's tats are more objectionable than either one, which makes "believing in racism (if he really does)" higher on the crime scale than actual murder.

My point is, if you object to Dink's model for his (observed) ideology, and for what you assume what he thinks off camera, then other sites should be accountable for what their stars do off camera as well. Harlow owns the site, but SC owns the psycho's footage. By your logic (that Dink by casting Axl supported his ideology) than isnt SC celebrating a murderer by keeping his scenes on site?

As for politics and Rod Daily, so just believing in anti gay ideology while taking it up the ass is somewhat less objectionable if he thinks AF-AM and Jews are ok? For me they are not all that different. Hating a community for just a community is all objectionable whether it is just 1 community you hate or 3 of them. Of course, conservatives dont want to kill us all, but probably because they know its impossible (at least not in this country, but look up "the family", Scott Lively, and Uganda). They just all want us to be second class citizens.

I am not changing any issue. The crimes that those models committed were AFTER they filmed their scenes. Addison didn't kill someone get out on bail and then shoot more scenes. Same, with Harlow. They committed crimes and have not made any porn since.

As for Rod, just because he would vote for Trump does not mean he agrees with everything Trump says. There are plenty of people who will Vote for Obama but may not agree with gays openly serving in the military or his not instructing lawyers to defend DOMA in court. But they'll chose him any day over any of the republicans.

This is a man who has symbols ink on his body forever representing his beliefs. Whether he has changed his mind is something none of us knows.I'll post this again from someone who watched the video:

Ross London said...
Interesting that in his video, Axl says he only had the "NN" tattoo done a few weeks ago and "I can't say what it refers to" rather than WHO it refers to...

Then Dink goes on to to post this drivel:
Dink Flamingo said in reply to C.A....
There will be nothing more on the subject from me, Axl or Active Duty. We're moving on. There's porn to be made. I'll leave this dead subject to you guys. But maybe, just maybe he was afraid if he said it referred to a GIRL that he'd be nailed to the cross by all the viewers who don't want to know that he ever dare be in love with a woman.

All of his consumers that subscribe to his "Niche" site where according to him is the ultimate taboo of getting str8 military men to have sex with other military men. They talk about pussy in each and every video yet, this kid thought he'd be nailed to the cross if he brought one up. All of this has been posted i have no idea how Dink's explanation of this and other non sense he has posted all ring hollow.

None of these can be compared. You bring up 2 guys who lost their shit and Sean Cody is not responsible for what former models do. If people still have Addison's video and still wank to them then i for one don't know about them. I also do not know of Sean Cody using the murder or Addison to sell more memberships or trying to keep them with unreleased scenes featuring him. The str8 porn company he last worked for still released their footage.

Is nextdoor putting out BTS footage of Rod going in depth about why he would vote for Trump? Has Rod said he doesn't believe gays should be married? You are drawing conclusions on one comment and trying to compare it to they half assed way and complete indifference of the way Dink has handled this entire matter and his buddy Jasun attempting to help him spin it all the while condescending to people that don't share those views. It seems you are following right behind them.

I think Ezwriter and others have laid it all out for you. You either see their points or you don't. If you cannot distinguish from a model or 2 that commits cold blooded murder and featuring a model that has symbols of hate on his body that is that conjure images of hate and intolerance of one of the darkest times in history then i can't help you.

If Dink didn't know when he hired Axl about his beliefs or what his tattoos stood for he does know and chooses to put those images and Axl in his videos and that's a bog difference.

It's sad because i think anyone who see's those symbols can recall a time in our not so distant past when we were reminded that hate at times can still thrive. James Byrd Jr. anyone?

http://www.kens5.com/news/130314468.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Byrd,_Jr.


CXXX

 

[ezwriter]

Re: Active Duty update thread

But the earthquake had no intent. Are you really comparing a human with an unforeseeable natural event?

Yes.

So?

A natural event that kills thousands is worse than one that kills dozens. Both are tragic. One is worse than the other.

A human who intends to kill millions and succeeds is worse than a human who intends to kill two and succeeds. One is worse than the other.

What's so hard to understand?

Answer me this:

Would you rather have a murderer kill your entire family, or just two members of your family?

 

[ezwriter]

Re: Active Duty update thread

Life sentence is a life sentence, most likely without parole. Or death penalty. Either way, you get to kill him or jail him for life only once.

Google "special circumstances".

 

[BUD001]

Re: Active Duty update thread

Yes.

So?

A natural event that kills thousands is worse than one that kills dozens. Both are tragic. One is worse than the other.

A human who intends to kill millions and succeeds is worse than a human who intends to kill two and succeeds. One is worse than the other.

What's so hard to understand?

Answer me this:

Would you rather have a murderer kill your entire family, or just two members of your family?

Well I dunno. My family doesnt really get along...............

 

[BUD001]

Re: Active Duty update thread

Google "special circumstances".

Yes, special circumstances, but bottom line, you can only punish the perp once. No matter how many life sentences you throw at him, or how many deaths, you dont get to clone him to kill him again (although i know plenty of people who want to).

 

[ezwriter]

Re: Active Duty update thread

I'm sure that would a comfort to the families of the two victims. Hitler was a monster who quite frankly should have been roasted alive. But idea that somehow a gang banger isn't as bad as a neo nazi is also a joke. There have been thousands of innocent lives lost to Latin Kings and other gangs as well. The idea that somehow one is more acceptable than the other..no.

I'm sure the families of the two victims would be glad that there were only two victims and not 6 million.

And nobody's saying either is "acceptable". Both are unacceptable. But a tattoo celebrating systematic genocide IS worse than a tattoo celebrating a violent street gang.

 

[BUD001]

Re: Active Duty update thread

Hellax:

You did not answer what i asked in front, which is

What do you want Dink to do?

What should AD do to resolve this issue?

So far, myself included, all of us are just yelling back and forth at each other. No one thus far seem to have a solution. Dink is unlikely to yank his scenes off. Its all over the porn blogs and any publicity is free publicity. So if Dink wants your patronage again, what should he and the site do?

I brought Addison and Harlow into this discussion is that I feel like we spent more tome condemning these tats than other poor behavior. Harlow and Addison looks pretty normal. Neither seems murderous and if i have to pick out 2 murders from a line up of porn stars it wouldnt be those two. I understand nazism is a sensitive issue but the venom directed at dink and this (kinda) teenager is like he has killed someone already and so far i know he hasnt. I chimed in when i did because i feel like Dink was unfairly being piled on for something he didnt know beforehand and afterwards did not know how to resolve.

 

[ezwriter]

Re: Active Duty update thread

Yes, special circumstances, but bottom line, you can only punish the perp once. No matter how many life sentences you throw at him, or how many deaths, you dont get to clone him to kill him again (although i know plenty of people who want to).

From Law.com:

"Special circumstances may include: rape, kidnapping or maiming prior to the killing, multiple deaths, killing a police officer or prison guard, or actions showing wanton disregard for life, such as throwing a bomb into a restaurant."

...thereby disproving the "murder of one = murder of 6 million" theory...

Well I dunno. My family doesnt really get along...............

Thanks for the laugh! That's a great note to end on. I appreciate the opportunity to discuss this with you in a calm, rational manner, even though we disagree on a few things.

What should AD do to resolve this issue?

I go back to my first post on this thread, where I suggested the little Nazi fuck be mercilessly gang-banged at both ends by a Jew, a Latino, and a black dude, all with huge dicks. Then and only then will I believe he's changed his wicked ways.

Good night!

 

[Hellax24]

Re: Active Duty update thread

Hellax:

You did not answer what i asked in front, which is

What do you want Dink to do?

What should AD do to resolve this issue?

So far, myself included, all of us are just yelling back and forth at each other. No one thus far seem to have a solution. Dink is unlikely to yank his scenes off. Its all over the porn blogs and any publicity is free publicity. So if Dink wants your patronage again, what should he and the site do?

I brought Addison and Harlow into this discussion is that I feel like we spent more tome condemning these tats than other poor behavior. Harlow and Addison looks pretty normal. Neither seems murderous and if i have to pick out 2 murders from a line up of porn stars it wouldnt be those two. I understand nazism is a sensitive issue but the venom directed at dink and this (kinda) teenager is like he has killed someone already and so far i know he hasnt. I chimed in when i did because i feel like Dink was unfairly being piled on for something he didnt know beforehand and afterwards did not know how to resolve.

Ok. I am not shouting. The point you are missing is that. Dink decided to spin this and treat the posters on this board like idiots. His "Story" doesn't match up to common sense. As i tried once again to show you when i re-posted what was posted 3 pages ago about Axl's comment about the NN tatt and Dink's implausible lie he told. Once again attempting to insult our intelligence. It further, got of hand by Jasun attacking anyone who questioned the "Story" Dink put out there.

Then we have posters like yourself who refuse to question Dink's responses and your attempts to twist this further.

As far as my patronage if you read my posts(or you chose to ignore them) I said i was not a member and wouldn't become one because of Dink's racist comments(something else you chose to overlook when it been stated several times) so no Dink can't do anything for me. I do think this site and it's owner needs to be out on full blast for his actions.

Have a good one.

CXXX

 

[LuvFindsAndyHardy]

Re: Active Duty update thread

What do you want Dink to do?

What should AD do to resolve this issue?

It's been stated (and more than once)

APOLOGIZE. Not a fake apology along the lines of "I'm sorry if anyone was offended" but a real "I'm sorry that this offended people and I apologize."

He's already said he didn't know beforehand and I take him at that.

Since the tattoos are now widely known to be racist symbols, he should put honor before the few bucks he's going to make and not feature the model in any more scenes.

You can't undo the past (and it's not about that, really) but you CAN control where you go from here.

Very simple, really

If he's not willing to do that, then at least can all this fake blather and just come right out and say "FUCK all of you who don't like it but it's more important to me to make a buck then anything else. Racism, white supremacy et al is okay by me if the money still goes in my pocket so you can all kiss my ass."

Which is basically what he's doing except he is trying to have it both ways and spin himself, Axl, and Active Duty as the true victims in all of this.

 

[BUD001]

Re: Active Duty update thread

I for one dont think i twisted anything. I simply placed an argument here.

The bottom line with your post and Luv's is that we all have different tolerances for this. For you, the tat and Dink's non denunciation made it a deal breaker. EZ thinks an interracial gangbang would solve the problem, and Luv thinks Axl should be fired and Dink should apologize. They are all valid responses to the "problem" at hand. I for one am not a AD customer. I just came in here to argue a point. I believe regardless of what we say here today AD would operate as its owners see fit. So i offer no solution.