Active Duty's Axl tattoo controversy

[Críostóir]

I agree with LFAH, and I appreciate the work you, Quasar, and the other mods have put in on this. Also, I was guilty of, at the very least, intemperate language, and I apologize for that.

I'm very glad this thread is back. Thank you.

 

[Críostóir]

I'd like to say something I said before, but say it in more acceptable terms: I, for one, do not assume that people from Texas are stupid. I know some very smart people from Texas.

There does seem to be a game SOME Texans play where they CLAIM to be stupid (or even pretend to be so) for humorous effect. I've found that some of the very smartest of them play this game!

 

[CowboyBob]

It appears JUB has listened to the members and banned images of Axl from not only the forum, but the gallery also.

http://www.justusboys.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7869297&postcount=105

Thanks to the staff for this.

Promoting a model who has known images of the Aryan Brotherhood and White Supremacy tattooed all over his body is wrong. The pornographer also knows this but has such contempt for his customers he doesn't care. He continued to smear it in our faces. Anyone who does this and those who defend him aren't worth our time or money.

Is this the kind of person you want to support? Do you really want to give your money to someone like that? Not me.

There are hundreds of sites with attractive models you can subscribe to. Those who promote racism at it's worst doesn't deserve a subscription.

 

[Hellax24]

Glad to see the thread back and glad to know that Axl's images will not be anywhere on this site.


CXXX

 

[AIM2PLEASE]

Deff. not a way to get traffic or would I be proud of this as a webmaster cause you are currently being labled!

#damagecontrol

 

[RayDays]

Of course, the fact that there is a person on the internet called jobezee1 doesn't prove that the current human FAIL is that person.

The current human FAIL is that person, and this FAILed person, according to you anyways, will continue on. You're laughable, guy. I just laugh.

 

[RayDays]

Well I stand corrected. Google jobezee1 and you'll see he has a very active internet profile (and is from Texas) so I guess the persona WASN'T created just for this purpose. My apologies for suggesting it.

Either you have a serious case of OCD, or else, you're just a sociopath.

 

[pat grimshaw]

...I was guilty of, at the very least, intemperate language...

It is in your blood. It is your heritage. Yes?

 

[Críostóir]

It is in your blood. It is your heritage. Yes?

You know, the anti-CELTIC racism is a) English, and I thought you were Australian; b) the sort of thing I'd expect in the middle of the 20th Century, so kind of old-fashioned; and c) getting old here too.

 

[Críostóir]

Also, I note with pleasure that blatant RayDays' blatant sockpuppetry has been summarily dealt with. JUB bans users, not names. Go JUB.

 

[RecruitingNSeattle]

Amazing. Well, I'll introduce myself as the recruiter/scout who actually found "AXL" and sent him to Active Duty.
I had planned on staying out of this thread but really people.

And that being said, I know for a FACT that AXL isn't racist, a nazi, so on and so on.....

I'm DARK ! Yes, mixed race ! We hung out for days and talked numerous times before he went to AD. NEVER was the kid rude or disrespectful or anything of that nature to show racism or bigotry.

Yes, his tattoos freak some people out. So did Madonnas burning of crosses in a video.
He was a young naive kid who made a poor decision in his choices for tattoos. Well, live and learn which I'm sure he's doing. We've all been young before, apparently some of us still are.
I don't look at the Confederate Flag and think "racist", I think "history". That's just me.

So, no, AXL is NOT a RACIST. But people will believe what they want.

 

[LuvFindsAndyHardy]

And that being said, I know for a FACT that AXL isn't racist, a nazi, so on and so on.....

If you read the thread, you will see that it makes no difference whether or not he openly espouses racism or not. The tattoos speak for themselves and are offensive.

Yes, his tattoos freak some people out. So did Madonnas burning of crosses in a video.

Not even in the same ballpark, but it's fun to watch you apologists throw (literally) everything in the mix in order to protect your golden goose. Madonna made an artistic decision to attack sacred cows (ironically enough in condemnation of the very racism those tattoos represent) to shock and provoke but, according to you, this model was just "dumb" and "naive." So, which is it? Is he making "art" with the tattoos to be controversial or is he stupid? Because if he isn't making a conscious decision to provoke, the two things have nothing to do with one and other. One is using symbols to make an artistic point and the other isn't.

I don't look at the Confederate Flag and think "racist", I think "history". That's just me.

I can't even begin to comprehend this stance, especially from someone who is mixed race and should know better. I have to say that, in my opinion, it is either too naive for words or incredibly self-loathing. That being said, I can't tell YOU what is or isn't offensive to you and, as you said it is (thankfully) just you.

So, no, AXL is NOT a RACIST. But people will believe what they want.

And people like you will continue to defend and protect in order to keep money in your pocket while promoting and featuring a model covered in racist tattoos. You will continue to attempt to make it a story in which the PEOPLE who are OFFENDED are the bad guys.

 

[Rgncajun]

Wow, some of the apologists are being ridiculous with their defense. It's hilarious to read.

 

[pat grimshaw]

....Well, I'll introduce myself as the recruiter/scout who actually found "AXL" ...

From now on you'll have to carry an encyclopaedia and some arcane history books when you inspect potential employees.

 

[LuvFindsAndyHardy]

From now on you'll have to carry an encyclopaedia and some arcane history books when you inspect potential employees.

www.google.com

 

[LuvFindsAndyHardy]

you still would be on a crusade to fight against what you see as offensive tattoos.

Yes, you are exactly right.

some of you definately are militant in your approach to this whole controversy.

Yes

I'm not going to re-post the lengthy Van Helsing analogy, but I disagree with its premise because the "vampire" was never "staked" (your analogy not mine) in the first place. He was sent on his way exactly as before. A better analogy (although excessive) would be to have the vampire standing amid a litter of dead bodies and have someone defend him by saying that there is no proof that he "meant" to kill them. They're still dead so his intent doesn't really matter. Again, I'm using your analogy and am not actually equating the tattoos with vampire killings.

Some people are just too easily offended and or sensitive to things which are made out to be of bigger importance than what they actually are.

I, for one, am thankful for this.

 

[LuvFindsAndyHardy]

None of them are offensive to look at, the symbolism that you attach to them is what is offensive, not the tattoos themselves, none of them are blatantly offensive like a swastika is.

You bring up an interesting point. What if it WAS a swastika? If we are to believe that someone is naive enough to get SO many tattoos that, grouped together, symbolize racism, then who's to say there isn't a boy naive enough to think a swastika looks "cool" and doesn't know its meaning? If the symbolism that the "viewer" attaches to the tattoos doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things and that tattoos in and of themselves aren't racist, would we argue that the "naive" boy's intent matters in the case of the swastika?

 

[pat grimshaw]

...a boy naive enough to think a swastika looks "cool"...

There is. There was a JUBber last year who had one. He was/is an LA 'street artist' (ie graffitiist).

 

[LuvFindsAndyHardy]

There is. There was a JUBber last year who had one. He was/is an LA 'street artist' (ie graffitiist).

Did he get much work as a nude model (with the swastika showing)?

 

[LuvFindsAndyHardy]

In the case of the swastika, the liklihood that ANYBODY doesn't know what it represents is incredibly slim, and furthermore, it means nothing else. The numbers 14 88, whilst having racist meaning, are not offensive to look at, they are just numbers, and can be viewed as such, not to mention that very few people likely had any idea of their meaning anyway until all the furore.

While we don't agree on the basic issue, you are right when you say that I gave a bad analogy there. 14 and 88 alone are not offensive to look at, while the swastika is. I hadn't done my homework there and that is a very good refutation of my post.

On the whole, my point is simply that I think NOT featuring the model in the future is the right thing to do, while you see it as overkill. On that we just won't agree.

Good job though. (damnit!)