Adam Lambert [merged]

[PATMAN]

Re: Adam Lambert officially comes out in Rolling Stone

He was never "back in the closet". He never said "no" when asked if he was gay!

 

[aijalon18]

Re: Adam Lambert officially comes out in Rolling Stone

I bet if he looked like a jock/frat guy and was "straight-acting" most of these people wouldnt be complaining.

 

[aijalon18]

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^You make a excellent point. Adam really is a nice guy and he doesnt deserve other gay people being judgmental. He's not a bitchy, gossipy, shallow, Paris Hilton worshipping, airhead stereotype. He just a nice gay who can sing.

The "straight-acting" worshippers never want to admit their bullshit so instead they find silly things to complain about and blame their dislike on that and try to make a big deal out of that.

 

[Haliburton24]

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^^ Why is Kris Allen not under me?

Cause Kris Allen is currently busy being in me.

Okay, onto the actual topic. The article is an interesting read and it really is surprising to hear just how open Adam is about everything. None of it comes as a shock though to anyone that knows Adam's background. However, like others have said, this whole thing reeks of opportunism. Adam used his sexuality to get people talking and to land the cover story of Rolling Stone.

The amount of exposure that this guy is getting is becoming very annoying. He just recently won an award at the Young Hollywood Awards for "Artist of the Year". Go figure on that one. Hopefully the press stops obsessing over this guy or everyone is going to be very tired of him before he even releases his first album.

 

[aijalon18]

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Its still very interesting that gay people are bothered about the amount of mostly positive exposure a talented gay person is getting. If marginally talented fools like Miley Cyrus, Zac Efron, Twilight kids, Gossip Girl stars, etc. get ridiculous amounts of exposure for their bullshit what is wrong with a gay guy who can sing getting similar attention?

And people likely wont get tired of him soon with any luck. People usually get tired of gimmicky bullshit like Vanilla Ice. A person with true talent tends to survive.

 

[Haliburton24]

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I dont like the notion that because I am gay, I should support Adam. I also dont support the amount of attention the "fools" are getting, but thats a different story.

I completely agree that Adam is talented, but I still think the attention is over the topic and unwarranted. Yet. I am not judging him negatively because there is nothing to judge.

 

[aijalon18]

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I dont like the notion that because I am gay, I should support Adam. I also dont support the amount of attention the "fools" are getting, but thats a different story.

I completely agree that Adam is talented, but I still think the attention is over the topic and unwarranted. Yet. I am not judging him negatively because there is nothing to judge.

Why not support him? He is member of a minority group that you belong to. His success can only help to improve things for people like you and me. And by support I dont mean go to a Adam Concert and send him money. I wouldnt go to an Adam concert. All I mean is stop trying to find fault with him not doing things to perfectly suit you and acknowledge that his courage will help the visibility and viability of the gay community.

 

[PATMAN]

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No one told you to support him, you dont have to if you dont want to. But you also shouldn't bash a person's personality for no good reason, especially when you don't even KNOW the guy. Don't like his music? Thats FINE. But his being gay and effeminate has nothing to do with his singing.

 

[joesman]

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Why not support him? He is member of a minority group that you belong to. His success can only help to improve things for people like you and me. And by support I dont mean go to a Adam Concert and send him money. I wouldnt go to an Adam concert. All I mean is stop trying to find fault with him not doing things to perfectly suit you and acknowledge that his courage will help the visibility and viability of the gay community.

Wish that everyone could be as sensible as you and Nik are about Adam.

I have to stop reading these things because I am so mad at 'my people' for their homophobia it would take the rest of my life to stop slapping the shit out of everyone one of them. Bottom feeders.

 

[Haliburton24]

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I never bashed his personality. I like Adam. I loved how candid he was in the RS interview. I dislike that he used his sexuality for attention. I would have preferred if he had just been open about it since day 1, or at the very least right after Idol was over.

 

[volumee]

Re: Adam Lambert officially comes out in Rolling Stone

I love the photo, and his chest.
I also love the fact it`s not Kris on the cover, rofl !!

 

[Shanefull]

Re: Adam Lambert officially comes out in Rolling Stone

I've read the interview. He didn't diss rockers, he was talking about himself cos he loves playin dress up as a performer. And he never called his fans "bitches". I know you are a bitter Claymate, but stop twisting words of him.

Go back to the fanclub, little girl. You don't belong here.

 

[Haliburton24]

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To Haliburton:

Let's be real though, Adam is not the only "opportunistic" person here, he's just the one getting the most opportunity right now. But the very act of going on American Idol and trying to win, and doing interviews and playing to a fan base, and crafting a stage persona during the competition -- all of it is about opportunism. And there's nothing wrong with that. These people are trying to become music artists after all.

I love Kris too but if the media is more fascinated by Adam at this moment, well that's because he's been more savvy in courting their attention, and because the opportunity is there right now for him to exploit. There's no rule that says the media has to give more attention to the eventual winner. Adam gave the kinds of dynamic performances week after week that had people talking, and like it or not, he is what most people will remember from this season (at least right now) and so he was likely always going to get more attention. And sure, he's exploiting the "coming out" part of it but

1. It's not his fault that his sexuality became an obscene media issue during the competition (Bill O'Reilly?) that could have negatively impacted him; if he has to deal with that, then I certainly can't begrudge him for turning it around and trying to make a positive out of it. If he has to choke on the bad, then he also gets to dine on the good. Fair is fair. And

2. Let's not be naive here, Kris Allen would take every opportunity to drum up media attention for his soon to be released album if he could (and that's what this is all about). Kris' emphasis on his laid-back persona in interviews, his humility, his status as a winner, his good looks -- all of this is being exploited as well. And once again...nothing is wrong with that.

I'm just happy that the two people I enjoyed the most all season made it to the end and got record deals and that even Allison Iraheta got a record deal before Danny Goat-Cheese. My god! If you wanna criticize someone for being an unyielding douchebag, look no further than the Ghoulish Widower.

Well, I see something as being opportunistic if they are exploiting something that they shouldn't. Yes, Gokey is the poster child for this, but ragging on him anymore then I already have would be like beating a dead horse. Also, I would like Gokey to remain just that. A dead horse.

I do see what you mean by the fact that he did not make it an issue, and that he should get what he can out of it. Still though, it seems wrong. Since you did bring up Kris, he has had plenty of opportunities to exploit different sides of him and always chose the opposite route. During the semi-finals, Simon told him that the ladies are going to love him. The first round of the finals, he introduces America to his wife. When Gokey leaves the competition, Kris inherits the Christian vote. He openly speaks against it at every opportunity. Some interviewers ask him about his missionary work, and he refers to it as philanthropy.

 

[aijalon18]

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To Aijalon:

You know of course that I completely agree with your affection for Adam, and your criticism of those who seem to enjoy bashing him. However, I do believe there's a difference between people who are reacting in ways that reaffirm the established paradigm of hetero-sexism, and people who simply opt to not base their likes or dislikes on whether someone is the same race/sex/sexual orientation as themselves.

In other words, I like Adam a lot, but I certainly don't believe that gay men should support him just because he's gay. That's actually playing into the very idea that we're trying to criticize; that Adam and Clay (or any other gay man) must be grouped together just because they're gay. I certainly would not support Clay Aiken or Lance Bass or Perez Hilton just because they're gay. But I would support Adam Lambert and Will Young because they're talented and because I like them.

In his defense, Haliburton was NEVER one of those people in the American Idol thread who called Adam derogatory names or made snide comments that were clearly derived from internalized hetero-sexism. He wasn't a fan of Adam's music but he usually gave credit whenever Adam was good, and he just simply preferred Kris Allen's music (as do I, though I like them both).

No you're right but I dont really mean we should just support him and everything he does. What I mean is stop being negative and finding fault with little things.

 

[quackaquacka]

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Go back to the fanclub, little girl. You don't belong here.

I'm not a little girl Stop being irrationally vicious and judgemental about other people

 

[quackaquacka]

Re: Adam Lambert officially comes out in Rolling Stone

I never bashed his personality. I like Adam. I loved how candid he was in the RS interview. I dislike that he used his sexuality for attention. I would have preferred if he had just been open about it since day 1, or at the very least right after Idol was over.

He said that he didn't discuss about his sexuality on the show because he didn't want his fans and other American Idol viewers to focus on his sexuality than to his singing because it is a singing competition. I don't understand why anyone can condemn him. People made a big deal about his sexuality even without anacknowledgement from him. If he had come out during the show, he might not have reached Top5.

An I don't think Adam used his sexuality for attention. He is not the one who brought the sexuality issue up in the first place. No one has ever asked him directly if he was gay and I've never ever heard him deny his being gay, or deny the implications of the very available and obvious evidence of his gayness.

There is a fair amount of interest in him as a person because he's not your typical idol contestant and it's unusual to have anyone who is clearly aiming for mainstream success be so open about being gay at the beginning of their career. And he is very honest about his experiences and the life he's led, which is in contrast to those young singers whose every move and image change is plotted and planned out for them by a team of PR people.

 

[quackaquacka]

Re: Adam Lambert officially comes out in Rolling Stone

He didn't have to say anything at all. It was his business. If he didn't want to acknowledge it until the show was over, then he had that right. Besides, acknowledging it on the AI stage would've probably meant losing votes, unfortunately.

I just don't understand why it was turned into a big game. The whole "Am I or am I not? Hmm... wait and see!" thing was unnecessary. "Coming out" (and I put that in quotes for a reason) doesn't have to be a game, or an opportunistic ploy for cash -- if, in fact, that's what it was.

According to Vanessa Grigoriadis who interviewed Adam, he said; ‘I am going to tell you everything and I want to say it all once, and this is the way it is going to be’ .

 

[innocentbychoice]

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^^ EXACTLY aijalon! It's been very clear for some time that some of the vitriol towards Adam (by other gays) had to do with the fact that he isn't "straight acting" or "masculine." In the American Idol thread on JUB alone, a few obnoxious posters week in and week out, couldn't negatively critique his performances (which they are free to not like of course) without calling him a drag queen or a fag or any other code word for "effeminate", which in their minds was tantamount to "bad."

I actually really like Adam and every interview with him just ratifies my early intuition that he is a smart, funny, self-possessed young man with a lot of talent. He's right that he and Clay Aiken are totally different people.* Clay is an obnoxious douchebag, while Adam seems like a genuinely nice guy.

* and by the way, this media comparison to Clay Aiken is another example of how hetero-sexist culture views and essentializes gay men. Those two have nothing in common other than the fact that they both like men, and they both happen to be somewhat effeminate.

I agree with everything you said.

And to the ones saying he used his sexuality to get attention, c'mon now, isn't that what every celebrity does? Britney Spears has made a career out of being sexual and moan in pretty much every song; a big part of Madonna's success is her sexuality; so why can't Adam get attention for saying "I'm gay so what??". It's amazing that it is the gay community that is complaining the most about this, seems like some just like to complain about everything and be annoying.

I'm just glad Rolling Stone gave the cover the a gay guy who is in the most popular show in America, now that's very positive exposure for the LGBT community. I was afraid they were gonna put the words "Yes I'm gay" or something like that in the cover (like People Magazine usually does) because it would give the message that he was actually trying to hide and then decided to come out but they didn't do that and I'm happy.

 

[Shanefull]

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I was afraid they were gonna put the words "Yes I'm gay" or something like that in the cover (like People Magazine usually does) because it would give the message that he was actually trying to hide and then decided to come out but they didn't do that and I'm happy.

Besides, acknowledging it on the AI stage would've probably meant losing votes, unfortunately.

But he did actually hide and then decided to come out. It is completely dishonest that he went in the closet during Idol just so he wouldn't lose votes and then played coy long after the show was over to get maximum impact on a magazine cover. Adam was out for nearly a decade and then he put on a false image pulling a bait and switch in a calculated way.

At least "Yes, I'm gay" is honest and gets straight to the point. People magazine has real people looking natural instead of like something from a porn cover shoot on their covers. On Adam's RS cover everything is designed to bring attention to his cock. Its tawdry and cheap.

 

[aijalon18]

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But he did actually hide and then decided to come out. It is completely dishonest that he went in the closet during Idol just so he wouldn't lose votes and then played coy long after the show was over to get maximum impact on a magazine cover. Adam was out for nearly a decade and then he put on a false image pulling a bait and switch in a calculated way.

At least "Yes, I'm gay" is honest and gets straight to the point. People magazine has real people looking natural instead of like something from a porn cover shoot on their covers. On Adam's RS cover everything is designed to bring attention to his cock. Its tawdry and cheap.

Hello? He didnt hide anything. He just didnt make an announcement to the world. DO you announce your sexuality in every situation? Did Anoop, and Matt announce that they like pussy and pussy only? He wasnt directly asked during idol. And then after he didnt answer. It has nothing to do with being in the closet. TBH it is an inappropriate question for people to demand to know your sexuality. Especially if you are a singer in a singing competition. If you use your brain you would know straight people would just put all their focus on his sexuality if he made an issue of it right a way and he'd be a late show punchlline.

"Tawdry and and Cheap?" Are you kidding me? Most Rolling Stone covers are often sexual. Britney Spears has done some where she's topless. The Jonas Brothers' cover is sorta incestual with them wet and pawing at each other.