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All humans are worthy of respect

Respect has to be earned.

I used to respect John McCain (that changed in 2008). I respect Colin Powell, but lost some of that respect during the lead up to the Iraq invasion.

None of the current members of the GOP get my respect.

I respect Lester Holt but don't respect any of the talking heads at Fox.

I respect Jimmy Carter but don't respect the Bush family.

I respect Kevin Phillips (he's conservative and not wacked). I really enjoyed the interviews he did with Bill Moyers (who I respect).

I (mostly) respect Pope Francis but have no respect for Benedict.
 
Telstra said:
"All humans are worthy of respect ..."
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Mao? Stalin? Hitler?

Mbuto? Idi Amin? Pol Pot?

Those quaint fellows in the Middle East who specialise in cutting off peoples' heads and putting people in cages, dousing them with petrol, and setting them alight?
 
jbrown329 said:
Respect has to be earned.
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I also said that in an earlier post. That quote is wrong. Not all people are worthy of it and certainly don't deserve it just because someone says they should.

By the way, I Googled the quote and couldn't find it. I'm wondering now if it is something that Telstra just made up.
 
LittleDove said:
Mao? Stalin? Hitler?

Mbuto? Idi Amin? Pol Pot?

Those quaint fellows in the Middle East who specialise in cutting off peoples' heads and putting people in cages, dousing them with petrol, and setting them alight?
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I know about the rest but who is Mbuto?
 
Inasmuch as it is proper to understand the right of each person to exist and live their lives unfettered from or of the critique of those who may well be diametrically opposed to their expression of life it behooves us to show respect if we wish to enjoy the same freedoms.
 
In general, all the people on this planet deserve to be treated with respect and kindness. However, the humanity has to stop playing silly games as well and understand that we are all humans among other human beings. There are higher goals to be achieved and some serious problems to be solved which already start hitting the human population on the back.

Does this change the fact that you are an interesting troll? Nope. :D
 
gsdx said:
That was not the point I was making. When you posted about him, you were extremely disrespectful of him, just as you were disrespectful of a priest, a bride, and any number of other humans. Those people were not, apparently, worthy of your respect, and you didn't give them a bit of it. It had nothing whatsoever to do with 'hotness'.
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That priest was rude beyond rude, very rude and i would sacked him immediately !!!
For Stephen Hawkins ... abit of fun about him kissing is harmless, he would have laugh too so no need for you to defend him.
 
jbrown329 said:
I know about the rest but who is Mbuto?
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I see I left out a vowel. It's supposed to be Mobuto -- Mobuto Sese Seko, African kleptocrat who embezzled somewhere between five and fifteen billion dollars while in office in the Congo. Won elections by landslides ... something like 10 million votes for to one-hundred against. Cabinet meetings during his regime sometimes descended to eye-gougings,castration, and surprise amputations.

Pat Robertson thought he was an OK kind of guy with whom to do business, back when he was in power
 
Well I'm also going to go out on a limb here and say that in the first instance, every creature, including humans is worthy of respect by default. Human opinions and beliefs, on the other hand, are not.

So if I don't know the person, I automatically grant them respect for their right to exist, to security and happiness. I respect that they may have different opinions than I have. They don't have to earn my respect.

But it doesn't take long to determine if they are worthy of respect. And this is where their ideas and opinions come in. If those ideas and opinions are not respectful to others, then my respect for that individual or group of individuals starts to erode. If the opinions are relatively harmless or based in ignorance...or still demonstrate respect for others in some way...then I will respectfully disagree with them and try to make the case for my own point of view. I have a number of people who I hold in some regard whose opinions I disagree with; we just see the world differently. If it is clear that their opinions represent an existential threat to me or others...and/or that they are based in contempt for others because of greed, race, religion or some other prejudice, then they lose my respect and earn my contempt.

So I don't hold that respect for people and respect for ideas are necessarily separable.

Everything always comes back to the Golden Rule....Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
 
YATT

(=Yet Another Telstra Thread)

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P.S. This thread reminds me of those similar ones in SF
 
rareboy said:
Well I'm also going to go out on a limb here and say that in the first instance, every creature, including humans is worthy of respect by default. Human opinions and beliefs, on the other hand, are not.

So if I don't know the person, I automatically grant them respect for their right to exist, to security and happiness. I respect that they may have different opinions than I have. They don't have to earn my respect.

But it doesn't take long to determine if they are worthy of respect. And this is where their ideas and opinions come in. If those ideas and opinions are not respectful to others, then my respect for that individual or group of individuals starts to erode. If the opinions are relatively harmless or based in ignorance...or still demonstrate respect for others in some way...then I will respectfully disagree with them and try to make the case for my own point of view. I have a number of people who I hold in some regard whose opinions I disagree with; we just see the world differently. If it is clear that their opinions represent an existential threat to me or others...and/or that they are based in contempt for others because of greed, race, religion or some other prejudice, then they lose my respect and earn my contempt.

So I don't hold that respect for people and respect for ideas are necessarily separable.

Everything always comes back to the Golden Rule....Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
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Great post :) :=D:

Since gsdx has googled so hard to find the quote, i'll find it for him.
The quote is somewhere in the middle of this video.
And rareboy the muslim in this video said Ben Affect was in the wrong (fight with Bill Maher) !!!

 
Telstra said:
Great post :) :=D:

Since gsdx has googled so hard to find the quote, i'll find it for him.
The quote is somewhere in the middle of this video.
And rareboy the muslim in this video said Ben Affect was in the wrong (fight with Bill Maher) !!!

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And I respect his opinion...but I don't necessarily agree with it.

On that program...and in a number of others, Bill Maher has often shown an arrogant disrespect for his guests who do not share his hardline and often sweeping opinions on a subject. Maher is one of those people I respect but do not always agree with because sometimes I think his own opinions are coloured by a bias that can engender damage and disrespect to others.

In the case of Ben Affleck...I watched the show and Ben was making very good points about not tarring 2 billion Muslims with one brush....as Bill was doing. He was arguing for the point that I have made...that you respect every person until you sort out their positions and opinions....you don't write off an entire religion or culture or race because a certain percentage think one way or believe certain things. It isn't simply a binary system.

Maher is one of those people that I respect more when they are FOR a cause than when they are against other people for having different opinions or beliefs.
 
I have watched the Affleck/Maher video many times,
still cann't see Maher and Harris did anything wrong.
Ben Affleck basically didn't say anything useful but accused people of bigots and races.

Anyway, i have to disagree with you rareboy about Ben Affleck

 
Telstra said:
That priest was rude beyond rude, very rude and i would sacked him immediately !!!
For Stephen Hawkins ... abit of fun about him kissing is harmless, he would have laugh too so no need for you to defend him.
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Despite their actions or "abit (sic) of fun", you humiliated them and disrespected them in your threads and posts. They were not deserving of respect from you. But now you're telling us that we must respect them, no matter what.

That's the point I am making here. It's a 'Do as I say, not as I do' attitude with you.
 
rareboy said:
Well I'm also going to go out on a limb here and say that in the first instance, every creature, including humans is worthy of respect by default. Human opinions and beliefs, on the other hand, are not.

So if I don't know the person, I automatically grant them respect for their right to exist, to security and happiness. I respect that they may have different opinions than I have. They don't have to earn my respect.

But it doesn't take long to determine if they are worthy of respect. And this is where their ideas and opinions come in. If those ideas and opinions are not respectful to others, then my respect for that individual or group of individuals starts to erode. If the opinions are relatively harmless or based in ignorance...or still demonstrate respect for others in some way...then I will respectfully disagree with them and try to make the case for my own point of view. I have a number of people who I hold in some regard whose opinions I disagree with; we just see the world differently. If it is clear that their opinions represent an existential threat to me or others...and/or that they are based in contempt for others because of greed, race, religion or some other prejudice, then they lose my respect and earn my contempt.

So I don't hold that respect for people and respect for ideas are necessarily separable.

Everything always comes back to the Golden Rule....Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
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Man, I laughed so hard I think I peed a little.
 
Why? He makes very valid points about respect and haven't seen him disrespect or insult someone for the sake of it.

We can actively disagree with people on here and in real life where we still have respect for them as people and can still get along otherwise. People too often equate disagreeing with someone means that they don't like them, can't get along or don't respect them. In reality plenty of us do this every day with people we are in relationships with.

Personally I get to the boiling point with some of the things my older brother says or thinks about certain issues and it is because I know he is an actual smart person but he is a bit gullible at times. I sill respect him because I know he is a smart guy and he works hard for some of the shit he has been through. And of course I love him.

Unfortunately he sees me disagreeing with him a bit personally when he thinks I am criticizing him instead of actually criticizing his ideas, but at the end of the day he still looks beyond that and we get along just fine.
 
All over this board he has left examples of how little he respects others for their opinions just because they differ from his. Just do a little research d find them.
 
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