Am I the only guy that doesn't see anything wrong with illegal downloading?

[PreTTy PeTe]

I just watched Django.

streaming it was and in Hi-def.

 

[PreTTy PeTe]

another question.

Is it stealing when you already bought the album on vinyl, cassette, 8 track and cd?

how much money do these people need?

 

[PreTTy PeTe]

I'm waiting on it now.

Got The Hobbit a few days ago.

waiting?

streaming is the new downloading son

 

[G-Lexington]

another question.

Is it stealing when you already bought the album on vinyl, cassette, 8 track and cd?

how much money do these people need?

I don't think it is. But then again, I think most people who download it didn't buy it once before, and like you, I don't think they have any problem stealing it.

Lex

 

[PreTTy PeTe]

I don't think it is. But then again, I think most people who download it didn't buy it once before, and like you, I don't think they have any problem stealing it.

Lex

but then would I be charged even though I don't have copies of the originals since I moved so much in the last few years and gave away my collection.

 

[xbuzzerx]

Yup to me that really begs the question:

what is the difference between saving an .mp3 of a song on youtube vs. bookmarking a youtube of a song and pulling it up whenever you want to hear it?

So far in this discussion-- doing the first is stealing and horribly wrong. Yet I see no difference between it and the 2nd.

I don't think it is. But then again, I think most people who download it didn't buy it once before, and like you, I don't think they have any problem stealing it.

Lex

Nobody addressed my quote but I wanted to repost it since your post made it relevant again imho.

 

[G-Lexington]

but then would I be charged even though I don't have copies of the originals since I moved so much in the last few years and gave away my collection.

I gave away my Bugs Bunny sweatshirt a couple years ago. That doesn't mean I get free ones for life.

Lex

 

[PreTTy PeTe]

I gave away my Bugs Bunny sweatshirt a couple years ago. That doesn't mean I get free ones for life.

Lex

but years ago I wasn't able to digitally copy my music.

today I can.

so can I buy a cd copy it and then sell it.

 

[Audio Tech]

another question.

how much money do these people need?

You seriously need to ask this?

 

[PreTTy PeTe]

You seriously need to ask this?

yes I do.

do you have an awswer?

 

[Benjoe]

I remember when music came on cassette tapes and movies came on VHS tapes. All the kids at school shared tapes and you made copies for your friends. Then along came CD's and DVD's and they told us that these were going to save us a fortune, they said people won't be able to pirate them so there will be no piracy costs passed on to the consumer and also as well as being much higher quality the physical cost of the cd's and dvd's will be much less because of the moving parts on cassette tapes and bulky VHS tapes to produce, so again we will be able to massively lower the cost of your music and movies. Brilliant we said and we all rushed out to buy this new technology.

And whilst it was definetely much better quality than what we had been using it didn't end up being cheaper, infact they cost way way way more to buy. The reason was there was no piracy, the industry had complete control over us and could charge what they liked, they took advantage and for a while the consumers were shit on.

Piracy is a good thing, it keeps the MPAA and the RIAA in check. If they could press a magic button and remove piracy completely we'd end up paying a fortune for our movies and music. Hollywood also made record profits this year and the vast majority of 'pirates' actually support the industry as well. I pay to go to the cinema from time to time and will buy the odd thing here and there, I just don't buy everything.

 

[ravenstar]

watching tv is illegally downloading . Do try to forget , have some respect for your legal system .

Sorry but that has to be one of the most ridiculous comments I've ever read on here. Watching TV is not stealing. Television channels pay for a licence to broadcast the content from the production house who made it. Each time an episode of a TV show or movie is re-aired on television there is a fee payable to the production house which goes towards the royalties the performers and those who produced the show earn.

I don't download movies or tv shows unless I buy them from iTunes. In Australia we really don't have much of a choice. We've got nothing like Netflix or hulu, they're all blocked by copyright.

There is absolutely no grey area in this. If you download a song, a film or anything else illegally over the internet from places like Pirate Bay or whatever you are denying the producers of that material the right to earn a living on the products they create.

When production companies lose revenue, they lose the ability to make new things, to hire people who are artists, or writers or performers.

Frankly it takes nothing but a moment of thought to figure this out. You write an eBook, you slave over it, pay for it to be edited professionally, cover art designed professionally. You take a year of your life to create a product. And someone comes along and downloads it for free from some random site and you get nothing for what you've created. That example is something I know personally.

Several years ago I wrote an ebook, worked my arse off on it for nearly a year to make it as professional as possible, only to find it on some random site listed as "free ebook of the month" after doing a google search of the title and there was nothing I could do about it.

Pirating is called pirating for a reason. Look up the meaning of the word pirate.

 

[Adrusek81]

Nobody addressed my quote but I wanted to repost it since your post made it relevant again imho.

Isn't the basic difference accessibility? If you bookmark a song, you cannot listen to it anywhere or whenever you want, and the copyright owners still have a certain amount of control regarding when and how it is broadcasted, not to mention that they receive a publication rights fee from YouTube. When you convert a video to mp3 format, you are engaging in an illegitimate act, because those who produced it/hold the rights to it do not derive any benefit from it.

I think that, when it comes down to piracy, we must take two things into account: first, the culture of entitlement that has taken over our society. We have been taught that, as long as we can pay to access something, we are entitled to it and we should have it almost instantly. Since As a consequence, many people believe that paying for an internet connection gives them the right to take anything they want, because it is symbolically included in the price.

Another serious problem that I find with piracy is that many people cannot find any incentives to abide by the law, when content producers are proving to be both inflexible (as many of you have said before me) and greedy. For instance, the expense of uploading and storing mp3 files for commercial distribution is below minimal, among other things because record companies eliminate variable overheads such as packaging, printing, physical distribution and the salaries of the workers who participate in those processes. Yet and still, the price of a single track is equivalent to its proportional value in CD format, even though the cost of making it available to the public is about a 10th of making it physically available to buyers. Many people are bound to be exploited by situations like these. The same could be applicable to films; while there must be a protocol of some form to guarantee proper distribution and the preservation of publication rights from studios, it is difficult for them to justify taking so long for films to be available for household consumption, when they could be far more accessible, at cheaper prices, through streaming services like Lovefilm and Netflix. Also, why should people pay extortionate prices for DVDs, when a year later they will be available for about 1/4 of the original retail price? Wouldn't it be far more profitable (not to mention, safer), to make content available at flat rates, which would guarantee accessibility to the largest possible population contingent? By lowering prices and maybe, just maybe, not expecting people to pay full price for utter rubbish, content producers could rely on the bona fide behaviour of a grateful public that sees a positive relationship between the quality of the products they get, and their allotted retail price.

In this I do not include, though, independent and small companies, who do not have many outlets through which they can make their content available, and desperately need every single legitimate sale they can make.

So, maybe it is an oversimplified conclusion, but I think that making a tacit contract between companies and the public, in which faster consumption at lower rates will only be made through legal channels, is the best option so far.

 

[xbuzzerx]

Well, I know there are some youtubes that aren't accessible from say, an iphone or mobile device... but it seems like the pretty big majority are available. The only thing different between creating a file yourself or bookmarking a youtube is the added step of opening a browser. It's honestly in my view extremely hard to make the case that one damages an artist and the other doesn't.

 

[borg69unimatrix]

Do artists get paid from Youtube views ?

 

[medic1]

Re: Confess something that might surprise others or damage your reputation on JUB - 2013

I made that comment because you made an insult at me that you're "talking to air" even though I pretty much agreed with you that I was stealing and what I was saying wasn't a legitimate excuse.

And now you're making assumptions that I want you to kiss my ass which is why I stated I pirated in the first place when I responded to refuj. I didn't want it to come off that I am superior to him and completely making him out to be a bad guy. Because I am not any better than him or less guilty of it.

And you're the one "talking to air"?

Grow up man , the lass made a very valid point you are the one who fell out his pram so full of shit oops indignation .

 

[Anders123]

Do artists get paid from Youtube views ?

I'm not sure, but with the accessibility of Youtube, they certainly get exposure. Searching for new music on Youtube is a hobby of mine, and I've seen many artists grow exponentially in terms of popularity after some of their tracks have been uploaded to a promoter's channel. There are always going to be people who will take for free what they can, but I've been able to purchase music and support many artists after stumbling across uploads on Youtube.

Done right, music on Youtube is a good thing. A great thing, even.

 

[medic1]

watching tv is illegally downloading . Do try to forget , have some respect for your legal system .

CRAP---never heard of paying for a tv licence...................

 

[medic1]

Re: Confess something that might surprise others or damage your reputation on JUB - 2013

Pretty sure.

There are people who make money through making various types of youtube videos. Vevo seems to be the one the Artists tend to use.



I didn't do or say anything wrong to her to warrant the way she started to talk to me and other people in this thread. And I agreed with the point she made and pointed out my hypocrisy. So please don't try and stir up something that has clearly been finished.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Throws himself around the room in a baby-tantrum , you would know if i was trying to stir things up .
May i remind you that like you i am entitled to post it as i see it .

Now be a good boy and do your homework....................

 

[medic1]

Drop your superiority complex, it's not flattering.

OOH i smell paranoia , i certainly do not have a superiority complex , just some common-sense .

Have you finished your 3 times table yet ?