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America Could Learn From Singapore

bankside said:
How does Singapore deal with people who can't work due to disability?
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incidentally, see how easy it is to stay on topic???
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Disability insurance is handled similarly to the USA, with employers picking up the tab for that benefit. Regarding health insurance the national view is that 1/3 should be paid for by the state, 1/3 by individuals, and 1/3 by employers. Everyone in Singapore has basic healthcare insurance. From there you "buy up" various levels of care. The standard care which is included for all Singaporeans means you'll have 4 or 5 other patients in your hospital room. From there you can buy all the way to a private room, no wait time, no deductibles, etc... For a "full boat" coverage including everything costs about $85 per month for a single, and $ 175 for a family.
 
This isn't the first time lessons on how to run things have been taught in American universities, only to be ignored here and applied somewhere else.

Classic case: Japan's booming economy in the past flowed from Japanese businessmen and industrialists learning in America how to run things, from material that preceded WWII -- and they beat America at our own game, because they applied it and we dithered for two generations.
 
MoltenRock III said:
Unfortunately, so many Americans are blinded by their nationalism that they refuse to think they could learn a lesson from another country or region of the world. It's always excuse making. "But....but......but..... that country is only 1/2 the size/twice the size/too large/too new/too old/et al.... to compare".

My critique of the USA is not "bashing" but rather to wake people up to what's going on in the world.
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As a Canadian, I agree with this assessment. However I think it would establish your bona fides if you were to cite an example where Singapore can learn from the States. It is a gracious way to demonstrate reciprocity. As a Canadian, we're exceptionally good at that kind of dialogue, and you all have something to learn from our example...Wait; I'm fucking up the gracious thing again, aren't I? Dammit. Bad Canadian! I'm going to be punished by the Great Beaver for this, I know it.
 
Kulindahr said:
This isn't the first time lessons on how to run things have been taught in American universities, only to be ignored here and applied somewhere else.

Classic case: Japan's booming economy in the past flowed from Japanese businessmen and industrialists learning in America how to run things, from material that preceded WWII -- and they beat America at our own game, because they applied it and we dithered for two generations.
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I personally think that comes from the American mantra of "gridlock is good" that we hear quite often on this forum. Where this developed from, I have no idea, but where else do we think paralysis or indecision is good? Most certainly not in business. So why so when it comes to governing?
 
Frank-SoCal said:
:gogirl:


thread has backfired... I see :lol:
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Welcome to the world of “CE&P newbie,” Frank-SoCal. (*8*)

Until your account satisfies the current algorithm, all of your posts will require mod review before becoming public and that process necessarily depends upon the availability of a mod to approve each post.
 
MoltenRock III said:
You do not go to jail in Singapore for "being gay". Can you go to jail for having sex in public bathrooms? Yup. And that applies to both gay and straight. Yet even that is barely enforced. The same goes for men having sex with men in American bathrooms. You can go to prison/jail for such.

The silly penal code the former [strike]troll[/strike] poster used was 377, which was has been on the books since British rule. So you can thank Victorian mores for such nonsense. Additionally, the Prime Minister of Singapore in 2007 said "As recognition that homosexuals “are often responsible, invaluable, and highly respected contributing members of society”, the government would not "proactively enforce section 377A on them"
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So basically, the situation is similar to what it was in the US before the Lawrence case, you had laws where gay behavior was clearly outlawed but they were rarely enforced. That doesn't change the fact that should a law enforcement officer wish to do so, he or she could enforce it, i.e. by the letter of the law being gay is still not legal. It is within the realm of possibility that you could go to jail for that. Perhaps it will take such an example actually occurring before Singapore finally jettisons such a backward law, as was the case in the US.

I would submit to you then that yes perhaps there are situations where the US could learn from Singapore, but there are also situations where the reverse could be true. Neither country is perfect, nor is any country.
 
opinterph said:
Welcome to the world of “CE&P newbie,” Frank-SoCal. (*8*)

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"Newbie" being the operative word. LMAO!

Welcome back BearDaddy. :rolleyes:
 
MoltenRock III said:
Disability insurance is handled similarly to the USA, with employers picking up the tab for that benefit. Regarding health insurance the national view is that 1/3 should be paid for by the state, 1/3 by individuals, and 1/3 by employers. Everyone in Singapore has basic healthcare insurance. From there you "buy up" various levels of care. The standard care which is included for all Singaporeans means you'll have 4 or 5 other patients in your hospital room. From there you can buy all the way to a private room, no wait time, no deductibles, etc... For a "full boat" coverage including everything costs about $85 per month for a single, and $ 175 for a family.
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Would a person ever be in a position of having to rely on their family for support? What would happen to a young person who has never been able to work due to an injury in late adolescence for example? Are benefits available to cover daily living expenses in the absence of private insurance?
 
hotatlboi said:
So basically, the situation is similar to what it was in the US before the Lawrence case, you had laws where gay behavior was clearly outlawed but they were rarely enforced. That doesn't change the fact that should a law enforcement officer wish to do so, he or she could enforce it, i.e. by the letter of the law being gay is still not legal. It is within the realm of possibility that you could go to jail for that. Perhaps it will take such an example actually occurring before Singapore finally jettisons such a backward law, as was the case in the US.

I would submit to you then that yes perhaps there are situations where the US could learn from Singapore, but there are also situations where the reverse could be true. Neither country is perfect, nor is any country.
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Looked up the basic human rights situation in Singapore...improvement for gays over the past decade,though hardly ideal.Keep to yourselves,basically and you aren't a problem...regarding overall human rights typical semi-authoritarian nation...security forces don't have a bad record at all in recent years but the longstanding ruling party allows only limited free expression...and their judicial system is still rather severe,one of the highest levels of executions in the world.There is a great deal of pressure for self-censorship.Considered partly free by international human rights organizations like Freedom House.Not hell on earth but not paradise either....I don't think many liberal,secularized Westerners without business responsibilities there would pick Singapore as a model for America to follow.
 
Sausy said:
Looked up the basic human rights situation in Singapore...improvement for gays over the past decade,though hardly ideal.Keep to yourselves,basically and you aren't a problem...regarding overall human rights typical semi-authoritarian nation...security forces don't have a bad record at all in recent years but the longstanding ruling party allows only limited free expression...and their judicial system is still rather severe,one of the highest levels of executions in the world.There is a great deal of pressure for self-censorship.Considered partly free by international human rights organizations like Freedom House.Not hell on earth but not paradise either....I don't think many liberal,secularized Westerners without business responsibilities there would pick Singapore as a model for America to follow.
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So you've never been there?
 
MoltenRock III said:
LMAO! Classic! Thank you! ..|
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So, to be aware that the situation in Iran is not good for gays, I would have to go there and be imprisoned?

To be aware that the situation for gays is good in Canada, I would have to go there?

:rolleyes:

You're not making much sense. I have not been to Canada or Iran, yet I can certainly get a basic understanding of the freedoms gays have there. The same is certainly true for Singapore.
 
MoltenRock III said:
So you've never been there?
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No.I tried to be balanced...I read several articles that had no ingrained bias but stated facts...I said it was not a hell on Earth,things have improved for gays....what,we all have to visit elsewhere for an extended period elsewhere before we can form a definitive opinion?
 
Yes, the US doesn't have one of the highest.....it is the highest.

Ok Pixel, you can start chanting now:

USA! USA! We're Number One!!!!!We're Number One!!!!!

And SoCal Frank/Beardaddy.

Welcome back. Love the flag thing happening there.

But really?Why not Amceltscotdad?

Whatever. We'll be looking forward to a new flurry of Obama focussed threads as soon as you've got your feet back on the ground.
 
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