American government to blame for Syrian Refugee crisis

[otters]

I think the Europeans have asked for help but due to politics Obama seems unwilling to do much. Accepting 10,000 refugees is not doing enough when Germany has accepted close to 1 million.

Well, I usually do not agree with Mr MorrisseyX, but of course the USA have a certain plan: they take just the hand picked Alphas that are presumed to be of high economic worth, but all the Betas, Gammas, Deltas and Epsilons shall remain in Europe…

 

[NotHardUp1]

Let me try to explain this particular case: the Hungarians have never been a homogeneous ethnicity; but the main reason is the some 66 % [!] shrinkage of Hungary 1919/20. After the unfortunate Trianon Treaty, there are Millions of ethnic Hungarians living outside the nation, but the percentage of the members of other ethnicities increased due to the territory's shrinkage.

Yes, that is true, and not just of Hungary. Much of what we consider nations in Europe were not so for that long and were badly formed in the aftermath of WWI and WWII.

On the other hand, Germany's numbers are not disputed, and she has almost 10 times the population.

Why can you not accept the USA is to blame? No the refugee crisis is a man made American problem! The usa acts like international police man! The EU has other problems such as African immigrants crossing the Mediterranean to reach southern Europe. They got their own economic problems. American government wanted Assad overthrown they got involved in Syria yet do not want to deal with the consequences. Why should Hungary a country that has no history of colonialism allow undocumented people through their borders? Why should Germany take in almost 1 million Syrians yet the USA only willing to take 10,000. The USA caused this mess they should shoulder more responsibility.

Well, first there's the fact that you're always wrong.

But if it comes down to logic, yours is more than flawed. It is the equivalent of saying a parole board released a criminal, and he committed a murder three months later. The parole board did not cause the murder -- the murderer did.

That the US has been involved in destabilizing the region is indisputable, but there is also the passivity of much of Europe and East Europe. Until the crazies begin blowing up your press offices and train stations, many are content to let others stick their necks out in the hot spots. And the Crimean crisis has proven, a lot of Europe is more afraid of Russia and her gas pipelines than they are concerned for invading forces in a neighboring state -- a morality of convenience.

Neither the EU nor the UN get a free pass just because some other crises happen simultaneously.

The US absorbs millions of Latino immigrants each year, but I don't see any country in Europe stepping up to say "send some here -- we welcome all."

The de facto assumption that millions must flee Syria to Europe is unsupported anyway. Is Europe the closest place of refuge? Doubtful. It is more likely it is the most lucrative economically, not the nearest place of safety, else where did all the women and children go?

 

[ChickenGuy]

More than 20 posts in, and NOT ONE mention of Islamic State or Bashir al-Assad in the thread.



THEY are the ones to blame. And THEY have perpetrated atrocities 1,000 times worse than anything the U.S. would ever do. Yes there are catastropic mistakes like Iraq, but I do get tired of the constant unequivocal slander and universal condemnation that the U.S. always gets.

I don't agree with the 'blame America' mantra around everything these days. America is is not beheading people on camera (ISIS). America is not chemically gassing men women and children (Assad).

However, I DO agree wholeheartedly with the middle part of MorriseyX's OP post:

The media are trying to paint Hungary as being evil and racist but the Syrian crisis is NOT their problem. It sounds harsh but Eastern Europe had no role in the Syrian refugee crisis. I am not saying the Syrian people are not suffering and should not be helped. But it is unfair that this is now Hungary problem. The Prime minister of Hungary is fearful of Muslims invading Europe. The opinion of the Hungarian prime minister is not PC but people are scared. I watched the video and why should the Hungarian government allow undocumented people to enter their country? Also why are the rich Arab nations not doing more? UAE, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain ect? Jordan and Lebanon and Turkey have taken many Syrians but they can do no more.

Moving on closer to home....

(my own government is being completely unwilling to truly help the matter and is now seeking to bomb Syria to high heaven)

You do realise that if ISIS and Assad were removed by military force, then all these millions of people would be able to go home, the refugee camps would empty, and the crisis would be SOLVED?

I get sick and fed up of naive pacifists like you failing to stand up to evil in the world, blaming this county and the United States for everything, and appeasing the most disgusting tyrants on the planet.

 

[JohnnyAnger]

Mate, it was our government, along with the USA, that left Assad in charge. The Russians offered to have him removed in a peace deal, but we assumed he would fall within six months of the talk and decided not to deal back in 2012. We had the chance and we blew it. Now we need to work with the likes of Assad if shit is going to get anywhere.


Anyway removing the bad guy in charge with force normally doesn't work all that well. Have you fucking looked at Libya since we supplied weapons, and air control to the rebels.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

Mate, it was our government, along with the USA, that left Assad in charge. The Russians offered to have him removed in a peace deal, but we assumed he would fall within six months of the talk and decided not to deal back in 2012. We had the chance and we blew it. Now we need to work with the likes of Assad if shit is going to get anywhere.


Anyway removing the bad guy in charge with force normally doesn't work all that well. Have you fucking looked at Libya since we supplied weapons, and air control to the rebels.

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[NotHardUp1]

More than 20 posts in, and NOT ONE mention of Islamic State or Bashir al-Assad in the thread.

One might surmise you are from the Donald Trump school of fact-quoting.

From Post #5

Your "model" assumes Islamic extremism would die of neglect were there no military actions taken by anyone against it. Likewise, you presume regional neighbors have acted appropriately to stem the outbreaks of ISIS and others instead of shuttering their windows and hoping the radicals will go away, by default leaving the issue to the superpowers to quell.

From Post #16

USA is the problem they are the ones who got involved in Syria trying to over throw Assad. The USA is horrible telling Europe to take in many refugees yet only willing to accept 10,000 that is bullshit!

 

[MorrisseyX]

Yes, that is true, and not just of Hungary. Much of what we consider nations in Europe were not so for that long and were badly formed in the aftermath of WWI and WWII.

On the other hand, Germany's numbers are not disputed, and she has almost 10 times the population.



Well, first there's the fact that you're always wrong.

But if it comes down to logic, yours is more than flawed. It is the equivalent of saying a parole board released a criminal, and he committed a murder three months later. The parole board did not cause the murder -- the murderer did.

That the US has been involved in destabilizing the region is indisputable, but there is also the passivity of much of Europe and East Europe. Until the crazies begin blowing up your press offices and train stations, many are content to let others stick their necks out in the hot spots. And the Crimean crisis has proven, a lot of Europe is more afraid of Russia and her gas pipelines than they are concerned for invading forces in a neighboring state -- a morality of convenience.

Neither the EU nor the UN get a free pass just because some other crises happen simultaneously.

The US absorbs millions of Latino immigrants each year, but I don't see any country in Europe stepping up to say "send some here -- we welcome all."

The de facto assumption that millions must flee Syria to Europe is unsupported anyway. Is Europe the closest place of refuge? Doubtful. It is more likely it is the most lucrative economically, not the nearest place of safety, else where did all the women and children go?

The United States should be taking in more than 10000 refugees. The USA is the main culprit they are not doing enough they caused this mess. Syria is not a European problem it is an American problem.The USA needs to be part of the solution. It is also unfair to blame Eastern Europe I am not talking about Russia. I know Putin and Assad are working together. But Hungary, Czech Republic, Poland, Slovakia these are predominate white nations no history of colonialism. They do not want this Syrian problem in their borders. It is not their problem. Hungary wants no part of this people are ignoring their perspective. Hungary does not want Syrians in their borders.

 

[NotHardUp1]

"Main culprit"? Indeed. And Assad and his continuing brutalities not relevant at all? How convenient a logic is that?

 

[FPNY]

"Main culprit"? Indeed. And Assad and his continuing brutalities not relevant at all? How convenient a logic is that?

I usually stay out of discussions like this. There is so much anti American sentiment and I don't have the energy to deal with it. It's easy to blame America, we put up a lot of the man power, money, equipment to fight these regimes sometimes for years with very little or no help from the actual countries we are trying to help and we get lambasted when we decide that enough is enough. Sometimes I think America should just mind its own business and let the chips fall where they may in the rest of the world. It seems that the people who stick their necks out to help get the most grief...

 

[MorrisseyX]

I usually stay out of discussions like this. There is so much anti American sentiment and I don't have the energy to deal with it. It's easy to blame America, we put up a lot of the man power, money, equipment to fight these regimes sometimes for years with very little or no help from the actual countries we are trying to help and we get lambasted when we decide that enough is enough. Sometimes I think America should just mind its own business and let the chips fall where they may in the rest of the world. It seems that the people who stick their necks out to help get the most grief...

Why didn't the USA just stay out of Syria? Notice you do not see America get involved in the African continent problems they stay out of it for the most part. No one is saying Assad is a good guy because he is a dictator. But the USA has a tendency to get involved in the problems of these countries yet leave. After leaving terrible shit happens like Iraq and now Syria. Let the UN deal with it.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

Why didn't the USA just stay out of Syria? Notice you do not see America get involved in the African continent problems they stay out of it for the most part. No one is saying Assad is a good guy because he is a dictator. But the USA has a tendency to get involved in the problems of these countries yet leave. After leaving terrible shit happens like Iraq and now Syria. Let the UN deal with it.

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[otters]

I usually stay out of discussions like this. There is so much anti American sentiment and I don't have the energy to deal with it. It's easy to blame America, we put up a lot of the man power, money, equipment to fight these regimes sometimes for years with very little or no help from the actual countries we are trying to help and we get lambasted when we decide that enough is enough. Sometimes I think America should just mind its own business and let the chips fall where they may in the rest of the world. It seems that the people who stick their necks out to help get the most grief...

No offence please, but let's use Huxley's terminology once again: Looking at the death roll of the US "man power", are there actually many Alphas? Or, are there predominantly Epsilons, some Deltas, and Gammas, and that's quite a pattern WHO are the dead US-soldiers? In other words, people who're easiliy replacable?

It's US American economy, after all.

 

[FPNY]

No offence please, but let's use Huxley's terminology once again: Looking at the death roll of the US "man power", are there actually many Alphas? Or, are there predominantly Epsilons, some Deltas, and Gammas, and that's quite a pattern WHO are the dead US-soldiers? In other words, people who're easiliy replacable?

It's US American economy, after all.

I am at a loss for words......I'm happy to say that I don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

I long for the day when the OPs country and military head up any sort of operation in any part of the world where there is extreme trouble. Then we can see how they do and sit in the comfort of our homes and criticize them.....

 

[Telstra]

In the mean time,
the evil war industry that supply all the weapons made a lot of money.
Which countries supplied the most weapons to the Syrian war ?

 

[Harke the Boeotarch]

I am at a loss for words......I'm happy to say that I don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

I long for the day when the OPs country and military head up any sort of operation in any part of the world where there is extreme trouble. Then we can see how they do and sit in the comfort of our homes and criticize them.....

How much of said extreme trouble was caused or developed by the US of A to begin with?

 

[peeonme]

No offence please, but let's use Huxley's terminology once again: Looking at the death roll of the US "man power", are there actually many Alphas? Or, are there predominantly Epsilons, some Deltas, and Gammas, and that's quite a pattern WHO are the dead US-soldiers? In other words, people who're easiliy replacable?

It's US American economy, after all.

Brave New World by Aldus Huxley is one of my favorite books. It is somewhat analogous to compare those of a lower socio-economic status to the Epsilons, Deltas and Gammas in his work.
As opposed to genetic engineering that caused the classes of people in his book we have had social engineering in our nation.

A dumbing down of society along with an assault on the middle class that permanently removed the rungs from the ladder giving access to upward mobility has produced a class or classes of people who turn to military service as a way to make a living because od an eroding job market.

Combine this with the advent of an all volunteer military which makes it possible for little rich boys to go and live their privileged lives while the epsilons and deltas do their bidding.

 

[FPNY]

How much of said extreme trouble was caused or developed by the US of A to begin with?

All of it, no doubt....

 

[otters]

Brave New World by Aldus Huxley is one of my favorite books. It is somewhat analogous to compare those of a lower socio-economic status to the Epsilons, Deltas and Gammas in his work.
As opposed to genetic engineering that caused the classes of people in his book we have had social engineering in our nation.

A dumbing down of society along with an assault on the middle class that permanently removed the rungs from the ladder giving access to upward mobility has produced a class or classes of people who turn to military service as a way to make a living because od an eroding job market.

Combine this with the advent of an all volunteer military which makes it possible for little rich boys to go and live their privileged lives while the epsilons and deltas do their bidding.

Thank you for your explanation

Is my post now understandable, FPNY?

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

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[NotHardUp1]

Thank you for your explanation

Is my post now understandable, FPNY?

In fairness, what about PFNY's challenge? Where in ther world is your country taking the lead in dealing with despots like Assad?