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Americans Say "No" To U.S. Involvement in Syria- Despite Chemical Weapons Used by Government

Re: Americans Say "No" To U.S. Involvement in Syria- Despite Chemical Weapons Used by Government

TX-Beau said:
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Love how you invented a conclusion that was nowhere in his post, then proceeded to argue with yourself.

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THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!!!!
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You might want to pay attention. We're talking about the Middle East ... not Spokane.

You appear to have the same problem as Obama .. can't think ahead.
 
rareboy said:
...Why do you think that the Western Empires are bidden to clean up every mess in the world?
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Well, you could argue that we've had our greedy little fingers in all of those pies.
 
Re: Americans Say "No" To U.S. Involvement in Syria- Despite Chemical Weapons Used by Government

Jack Springer said:
You might want to pay attention. We're talking about the Middle East ... not Spokane.

You appear to have the same problem as Obama .. can't think ahead.
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Ohh, touched a nerve there did I.

Don't worry Jack I stopped expecting that you'd listen to anyone but the voices on Fox ages ago. Now it's just kind of comedy.
 
Jack Springer said:
What's solved? Assad has said he's won. He'll put up road blocks from now on and will keep killing his own countryman. The war is still going on, people are getting bombed, killed, and others pushed to other countries. That's a diplomatic victory?

Russia is the new power of influence in the Middle East, the influence of the US has been diminished.

It's time to drill, drill, drill and become energy independent any way we can.
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This is a perfect demonstration that you know nothing of the political history of Syria or the influence of the Soviet Union and Russia in Syria.

Jack. Give it up. Like a lot of people like you, you just haven't been paying any attention to the political landscape in this region and now are completely stumped by this turn of events.
 
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rareboy said:
This is a perfect demonstration that you know nothing of the political history of Syria or the influence of the Soviet Union and Russia in Syria.

Jack. Give it up. Like a lot of people like you, you just haven't been paying any attention to the political landscape in this region and now are completely stumped by this turn of events.
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You'll come to the defense of Obama no matter what. It does get boring.

What happened to your sidekick?
 
Jack Springer said:
What's solved? Assad has said he's won. He'll put up road blocks from now on and will keep killing his own countryman. The war is still going on, people are getting bombed, killed, and others pushed to other countries. That's a diplomatic victory?
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Diplomacy deals in details. So yes, it's a diplomatic victory, because it (assuming it actually works) successfully handled the one small item it was meant to handle, namely the chemical weapons.

And once the shooting starts, diplomacy is generally useless -- so achieving anything at all out of that mess is a victory for diplomacy!
 
Jack Springer said:
What's solved? Assad has said he's won.
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I've noticed that Republicans seem big on this type of reasoning. X policy is bad because it will make it look like/let someone else say they got a win out of it. Even if X policy is actually the one that makes the most sense or has the best chance of achieving the practical objectives desired with the least destructive cost.

If Assad claims he's the son of God returned, are you going to say Obama's policy is responsible for Assad's self-deification? Is that the basis upon which we should frame policy?
 
Sausy said:
If you think the world really respects our Administration, time for you to take off the rose colored glasses in YOUR world. Obama has been a horror show, though fortunately as of yet he isn't GWB. Yet his combination of arrogance and obliviousness to his own limitations may be his biggest undoing.

I was and still remain opposed to the strikes, btw.. so don't go there. We were wrong to try to remake Iraq by military force, and Syria would be even worse as it is a nation falling apart, beset with drought and famine in so many regions. However I don't trust this president's competence here one bit, and that of his pretentiously grand Secretary of State, the sanctimonious John Kerry? Pl-ease!!!!!!!!:rolleyes:
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I'm trying to find a hard point in here other than "those guys stink!"
 
xbuzzerx said:
I've noticed that Republicans seem big on this type of reasoning. X policy is bad because it will make it look like/let someone else say they got a win out of it. Even if X policy is actually the one that makes the most sense or has the best chance of achieving the practical objectives desired with the least destructive cost.

If Assad claims he's the son of God returned, are you going to say Obama's policy is responsible for Assad's self-deification? Is that the basis upon which we should frame policy?
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Why didn't Obama try diplomacy from the being like he promised in 2007?

He was forced into diplomacy by the gaffe of his SOS.

Zig-Zag Diplomacy ... just one of Obama's legacies.
 
Jack Springer said:
Why didn't Obama try diplomacy from the being like he promised in 2007?

He was forced into diplomacy by the gaffe of his SOS.

Zig-Zag Diplomacy ... just one of Obama's legacies.
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He probably didn't try diplomacy from the very beginning because the Assad regime's immediate kneejerk reaction after the use of chemical weapons was "If you do anything about it, we're going to attack Israel."

Since then, likely under pressure from Russia (as well as self-preservation), they have relented on that belligerent stance considerably.

What I find interesting though is that you are condemning not going down a first route of diplomacy when the party you wholeheartedly support took us through 8 years of "you are for us or against us, we don't negotiate with terrorists."
 
xbuzzerx said:
He probably didn't try diplomacy from the very beginning because the Assad regime's immediate kneejerk reaction after the use of chemical weapons was "If you do anything about it, we're going to attack Israel."

Since then, likely under pressure from Russia (as well as self-preservation), they have relented on that belligerent stance considerably.
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That makes a fair degree of sense.
 
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