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And Let's not forget about the other Deplorables

^ Just more performance theatrics to try to appeal to the suckers who will send him money and pay for his lawyers.

Meanwhile....

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^This gives me Jerry Falwell Jr vibes.
 
I'm surprised that the Trump vanity would allow Junior not to do something about the grey.
 
TX-Beau said:
I've been watching Fox morph as the defamation case moves forward. It's like suddenly it's dawned on them that they might all be needing new jobs, except of course for Fucker who'll be paid by Putin after the fall.
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Tucker has family money, and Fox has almost certainly been overpaying him. Unless he's been really foolish, he won't need a job.

Well, not for the money. He would probably hate being out of the public eye.
 
LoveMyPeppermill said:
Tucker has family money, and Fox has almost certainly been overpaying him. Unless he's been really foolish, he won't need a job.

Well, not for the money. He would probably hate being out of the public eye.
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If Dominion wins or even partially wins, the lawsuits will scatter like shot. Especially if there's a big payout.

All those anchors are deep pockets. I'd dearly love to see all of fucker's frozen chicken money taken away. I know it's fairly horrible to be counting on the greed of trial lawyers, but in this case, I'll make an exception.
 
None of the bobbleheads on FOX will be personally liable for anything they say on air. They are all protected by shareholder and insurance money.

And it won't touch the personal fortunes of Murdoch family either.

But it could do a huge amount of damage to the revenue stream... Not that FOX really is in the top tier of advertisers any more.

The chill will hopefully will also be felt throughout the FOX Co's New York Post and WSJ.
 
Insurance companies don't have to pay punitive damages, stockholders are also not liable, they'll pay in the market. If Dominion gets the network, there will be lawsuits that target the mouthpieces, especially since they've got several of them dead to rights. How that turns out will depend on which court they're in.

It really wouldn't surprise me to see Rupert and the boys start tossing asswipes under the bus as Armageddon nears anyway. I would also love to see fucker scapegoated first.

Of course, Rupert is where the actual blame lies, but I do agree that he's not going to stick around to go down with the ship.
 
rareboy said:
None of the bobbleheads on FOX will be personally liable for anything they say on air. They are all protected by shareholder and insurance money.
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The key is having the Court rule that what Fox does is no longer "Free Press" and is instead propaganda and promotion of the Republican Party.

That's a big hurdle but it's what it will take to stop the Press being used as an arm (or the whipmaster) of either Party.
 
More from the Joys of Originalism and the fall-out of the Bruen decision:

Since the Constitution doesn't prohibit beating or killing your spouse, the government can't take away your guns even if you've abused your spouse and children or threatened their life.

www.vox.com

It’s now legal for domestic abusers to own a gun in Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi

We’re starting to see the fallout from the Supreme Court’s most recent Second Amendment decision.
www.vox.com www.vox.com
A panel of judges on an exceedingly reactionary federal appeals court ruled on Thursday that the federal law prohibiting individuals from “possessing a firearm while under a domestic violence restraining order” is unconstitutional.

Under Judge Cory Wilson’s opinion in United States v. Rahimi, people with a history of violent abuse of their romantic partners or the partners’ children now have a Second Amendment right to own a gun, even if a court has determined that they are “a credible threat to the physical safety of such intimate partner or child.”
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KaraBulut said:
The key is having the Court rule that what Fox does is no longer "Free Press" and is instead propaganda and promotion of the Republican Party.

That's a big hurdle but it's what it will take to stop the Press being used as an arm (or the whipmaster) of either Party.
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Even if Fox were declared no longer "Free Press", there's still OAN, Newsmax, Real America's Voice, Burrow, plus a bunch of other fascist social media apps and websites and publications, lots of far-reich talk radio, and many underground conspiracy hate groups. Fox is the largest, sure. But how much of an overall, long-term impact would it have if Fox were off the air? To really make a difference, you would have to hit them all...or at least most of them.
 
The impact is that if Fox goes down for lies, the others will have to seriously reconsider telling those same lies. Plus, Dominion's and Smartmatic's lawyers aren't done. Kara is right, if the court finds that the scope of the deception was beyond the scope of a free press, i.e. defamation, there is no shield for anyone involved, and that jeopardizes anyone who made the same claims. That includes public personalities and, in some cases, even private individuals.

A great part of why these outlets have grown is that there has been no cost whatsoever for outright lying.
 
cityboy-stl said:
Even if Fox were declared no longer "Free Press", there's still OAN, Newsmax, Real America's Voice, Burrow, plus a bunch of other fascist social media apps and websites and publications, lots of far-reich talk radio, and many underground conspiracy hate groups. Fox is the largest, sure. But how much of an overall, long-term impact would it have if Fox were off the air? To really make a difference, you would have to hit them all...or at least most of them.
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That's true.

One difference: the depth of their pockets.

Smartmatic and Dominion have all of the above in their sights. It's interesting that the Fox suit is getting is being served so early in the evening meal. Fox should be the main course, not the appetizer.


www.politico.com

Smartmatic sues One America News over 2020 election claims

The voting machine accused the far-right cable channel of libeling and slandering the firm in its coverage.
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Fox is a huge, publicly traded company. They've been operating in the US via FCC waivers that allowed them to grow in size. A judgment of a few million is not going to phase them. A billion dollar judgment would be much more damaging to Fox, even with their wealth. I'm not sure if their business liability insurance would cover than large of a judgment.

OAN is owned by the Herring family. A $1.6 billion judgment would put them into bankruptcy and be the end of them. Good riddance.


Media companies have been taking advantage of a legal standard created by a SCOTUS decision - New York Times vs Sullivan (1964) that says that, in order to get a libel or defamation settlement against a media organization, the plaintiff must prove that the media company was acting with malice. That leak of the Dominion filing last week looks a lot like malice on the part of Fox.

What everyone is on pins and needles about is that SCOTUS has decided that their made-up legal philosophies like "Originalism" are superior to things like stare decisis. If the Court uses this opportunity to weaken or throw out Sullivan, we're going to be in a whole new world where media organizations can be sued much easier for libel and defamation. Would that be a good thing? Perhaps. But it's a knife that cuts both ways.
 
Part of the reason outlets like Fox have an outsize voice, is that the media environment has been shrinking since Clinton, and there are fewer and fewer voices being heard. It's already happened to radio, a few conglomerates own a vast amount of the stations, and accountability is the first victim.
 
TX-Beau said:
Part of the reason outlets like Fox have an outsize voice, is that the media environment has been shrinking since Clinton, and there are fewer and fewer voices being heard. It's already happened to radio, a few conglomerates own a vast amount of the stations, and accountability is the first victim.
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True. And a lot of that shrinking is actually consumption- big companies buying up smaller media companies.

One thing that is interesting in the Dominion filing is how worried Fox was about "losing viewers" and their stock price. Truth? Accuracy? They might get you fired if the highly-rating opinion hosts in the evening line-up worry that you're affecting Fox company revenues.

"Infotainment"

CNN - part of Warner Bros. Discovery - same folks that brought us Bugs Bunny and Elmer Fudd
MSNBC - owned by NBCUniversal/Comcast - an amalgam that brought us Jurassic Park, Minions and delivers cable to millions of households
 
TX-Beau said:
...Fox viewers are not going to hear anything at all about this, and the lies they were told.
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This week's corporate direction at Fox is to try to put the blame on Biden and Buttigieg for the Ohio trail derailment disaster. It takes a major twisting of the truth to accomplish it- Hannity, Carlson and the rest are putting great effort into it.

Mayor Pete is keeping Fox executives up at night. I haven't seen anything like it since the slur campaigns against Bill and Hillary Clinton.
 
cityboy-stl said:
Which means Fox is scared to death of Pete.
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Exactly.

Fox (and by implication the RNC) is worried that Pete may be another Obama- smart, well-spoken, strategic and with a ground-swell of liberals voting for him for President. And unlike Bill Clinton, so far Pete doesn't seem to have what Betsey Wright and George Stephanopoulos referred to as "bimbo eruptions" to deal with... so Fox is going to have to create something to sully his reputation.
 
^ From everything we've seen...it just isn't there.

He seems to be a classic, somewhat bottled up, good Christian boy who did all the right things...but loved cock.

Unless he ever fucked under-age boys (not likely)....he is just more normal than normal.
 
If Pete wasn't married to a man, he'd be President NOW.

What's stopping him isn't the Right. It's the reluctance to vote gay in some core Democratic constituencies, that for once isn't us White guys. Frankly, he's the perfect fucking candidate to steal voters from the right. He looks just like them, he sounds like them, he's sane and safe, and he's not a crusader. He is a crusader actually, but it's a very WASPy Mid-Western kind of Crusade.
 
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