And Let's not forget about the other Deplorables

[TX-Beau]

So you’re telling me that people who are willing to violate someone else’s religious liberty are the ones I should be listening to on the subject of religious liberty? I don’t think that works logically either.

I concede they believe what they believe it’s just not logical.

I have yet to find a logical religion, however benign.

But that Sharia law crap is not about God or religion. It's about control of people they find objectionable for whatever reason. Religion is just an excuse. This is why it's pointless to bring up Christ's example; they abandoned him first.

 

[TX-Beau]

Anyone can file a lawsuit but you must have standing for it to proceed so how specifically is the Catholic Church harmed if Fred uses a condom whilst banging Ethel?

Not if the judge lets you do it. See Florida and the many ridiculous things that hack Toad put in the chair lets him get away with. We live in a time where large parts of the judiciary give a fuck about the law. Toad also put most of them into office. Since that is the case, there are no rules in those courts but what the far right wants, going right up to the Supremes who have demonstrated they don't give a fuck about law or precedent.

 

[TX-Beau]

I should point out that the very fact that Toad is in a criminal court before a judge he appointed, which will ultimately be appealed to a court whose majority he created, shows just what the problem is.

It used to be that the mere appearance of impropriety was enough to solicit a recusal, but now, not a chance, his toadies will blatantly abuse the legal system, all the while whining that Biden is corrupt. The rich on the right are buying Supreme Court Justices millions of dollars of shit while the Justices piously claim they're just good friends - even as their wives commit sedition and accost people on the street.

It's just pathetic.

 

[TX-Beau]

ASupreme Court justice has come to criticize a historical ruling. The landmark decision, which just celebrated its 70th anniversary, has had aspects criticized. Justice Clarence Thomas voiced his opinion on the case on Thursday, May 23, 2024...

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Looky there, Uncle Thomas wants apartheid back. The only thing he hasn't condemned is Loving v. Virginia.

I suppose he is an argument against the Affirmative Action Justices

 

[KaraBulut]

Thoughts and prayers for Alex Jones and InfoWars.

Alex Jones Seeks to Liquidate His Assets to Pay Damages to Sandy Hook Families

But money to the families would fall far short of the more than $1.4 billion they were awarded by juries for Mr. Jones’s lies about the 2012 school massacre.

www.nytimes.com

The Infowars conspiracy theorist Alex Jones is seeking permission from a bankruptcy court to liquidate his personal assets and deliver the proceeds to the Sandy Hook families who are owed more than $1.4 billion in damages for his lies about the 2012 school shooting.

Mr. Jones also filed a separate bankruptcy for his company, Free Speech Systems, and in a hearing next Friday a judge is to rule whether the company will also be liquidated, an outcome favored by a majority of the families. That would shutter Infowars, effective the day of the ruling. It would also place assets from Infowars’ studios and potentially Mr. Jones’s popular social media accounts in control of the families.

Silencing Mr. Jones, who for years has broadcast lies ranging from denying the Sandy Hook shooting to denying the results of the 2020 election, would be a definitive win for the families.

 

[Norri]

Not if the judge lets you do it.

That is a judge who doesn’t mind being reversed on appeal.
If you want to convince me just provide an example of someone suing but not claiming they were harmed in any way.
Maybe you are correct but I will need an example.

 

[rareboy]

Alex Jones' tears make me so happy...although I still believe he has sheltered millions.

And he will just resurrect.

His followers are so fucking stupid, they will follow him whether it is called Infowars or something else.

And keep buying the shit he sells.

 

[Norri]

I should point out that the very fact that Toad is in a criminal court before a judge he appointed, which will ultimately be appealed to a court whose majority he created, shows just what the problem is.

I disagree the problem isn’t in the appointment of judges or judges presiding over cases involving those who appointed them it’s in the judges who put politics over their oath.

Like Trump Nixon had 3 justices sitting on the Court when it judged him but it did him little good.

It’s not the system that’s the problem but judges with their own agendas.

 

[rareboy]

I disagree the problem isn’t in the appointment of judges or judges presiding over cases involving those who appointed them it’s in the judges who put politics over their oath.

Like Trump Nixon had 3 justices sitting on the Court when it judged him but it did him little good.

It’s not the system that’s the problem but judges with their own agendas.

That used to be the idea...maybe.

The way that judges are now posited for appointment is waaaayyyyyyyyyyyyy different. And much more political than even in Nixon's time.

The Federalist Society is purely and simply a cabal of Dominionists with a very specific agenda.

And again...remember that they see Trump as their useful idiot because he is for sale.

 

[KaraBulut]

Alex Jones' tears make me so happy...although I still believe he has sheltered millions.

And he will just resurrect.

His followers are so fucking stupid, they will follow him whether it is called Infowars or something else.

And keep buying the shit he sells.

I think he did get caught transferring assets into his parents' name.

Now that he's asked for a Chapter 7 liquidation of his assets, that gives the Court full access to look at his books to see where the money went.

Steve Bannon in jail... Alex Jones & InfoWars likely going out of business...

 

[Norri]

That used to be the idea...maybe.

The way that judges are now posited for appointment is waaaayyyyyyyyyyyyy different. And much more political than even in Nixon's time.

The Federalist Society is purely and simply a cabal of Dominionists with a very specific agenda.

And again...remember that they see Trump as their useful idiot because he is for sale.

I concede it’s far more political today than in the past but the judicial oath remains the same.

Conservatives will tell you the reason it’s changed is because of how democrats handled the Robert Bork nomination and they are not crazy.

 

[rareboy]

They can say whatever they want.

The actual strategy is much grander, darker and cleverer than that.

This isn't about petty revenge.

This is about seizing total control of the system....

Once again...in 2016, all I kept writing...'This isn't about the Oval Office' (stupid). This has only ever been about the federal judiciary.

That is the way you seize absolute power.

 

[TX-Beau]

I disagree the problem isn’t in the appointment of judges or judges presiding over cases involving those who appointed them it’s in the judges who put politics over their oath.

Like Trump Nixon had 3 justices sitting on the Court when it judged him but it did him little good.

It’s not the system that’s the problem but judges with their own agendas.

Judges appointed for the specific purpose of political partisan politics are part of the "system," which also does not remove them when they act blatantly unconstitutionally. The "system" was, is, and will be abused as long as we put up with it. That has happened in the past; it's happening now; the "system" is not an independent arbiter; it's made up of the people who are appointed to it. It has no mind and no volition of its own, and it will only be as just as the people who sit on its courts.

We see every day what that means, from right-wing judges from Florida to the Supreme Court. Who throw out the law in favor of Toad and his minions - WITH impunity and zero sanction from the "system."

Even back with Nixon, it was not the "system" that removed him, nor was he ever in front of justices he appointed; NO President EVER HAS - it was Congress that forced a RESIGNATION. That will not happen now because, thanks in part to Nixon, the 'Pubs are no longer even giving lip service to democracy and are attempting to use all branches of government as political tools to destroy the rule of law.

If we pretend that some "Old Order" still exists and will be forever unviolable, we'll lose this fight. We must look at what is actually happening and defend the institutions under attack.

Because, in the end, WE are the "system." until we fail to defend it.

 

[TX-Beau]

I concede it’s far more political today than in the past but the judicial oath remains the same.

Conservatives will tell you the reason it’s changed is because of how democrats handled the Robert Bork nomination and they are not crazy.

That's a joke of an argument; Bork was never on trial for anything civil or criminal. As far as I know, Congressional Hearings are not part of the Justice Department.

How EXACTLY did his hearings corrupt the courts?

 

[TX-Beau]

This is the system the right is after and notice that they aren't even bothered to lie anymore.

A battle-tested D.C. bureaucrat and self-described Christian nationalist is drawing up detailed plans for a sweeping expansion of presidential power in a second Trump administration. Russ Vought, who served as the former president’s budget chief, calls his political strategy for razing long-standing guardrails “radical constitutionalism.” He has helped craft proposals for Donald Trump to deploy the military to quash civil unrest, seize more control over the Justice Department and assert the power to withhold congressional appropriations — and that’s just on Trump’s first day back in office...

MSN

That isn't a Republic, that is a tyranny.

 

[rareboy]

IF Americans aren't horrified at this point...nothing will bring them around.

And the rest of the world is horrified that America is sliding into a fascist autocracy that will burn the rest of the world down.

 

[Norri]

Judges appointed for the specific purpose of political partisan politics are part of the "system," which also does not remove them when they act blatantly unconstitutionally. The "system" was, is, and will be abused as long as we put up with it. That has happened in the past; it's happening now; the "system" is not an independent arbiter; it's made up of the people who are appointed to it. It has no mind and no volition of its own, and it will only be as just as the people who sit on its courts.

We see every day what that means, from right-wing judges from Florida to the Supreme Court. Who throw out the law in favor of Toad and his minions - WITH impunity and zero sanction from the "system."

Even back with Nixon, it was not the "system" that removed him, nor was he ever in front of justices he appointed; NO President EVER HAS - it was Congress that forced a RESIGNATION. That will not happen now because, thanks in part to Nixon, the 'Pubs are no longer even giving lip service to democracy and are attempting to use all branches of government as political tools to destroy the rule of law.

I have thought of a recent case where the lack of standing wasn’t an issue and it’s the abortion drugs mifepristone and misoprostol. The doctors suing had no standing in that they were not harmed by the existence of those drugs but it didn’t matter to any of the courts who heard the case. I’m guessing the hopelessly religious will be pleased with that decision.

You may not think Nixon was ever in front of the judges but when they ruled 9-0 that he had to turn over the tapes which effectively ended his presidency he would disagree with you.

 

[Norri]

That's a joke of an argument; Bork was never on trial for anything civil or criminal. As far as I know, Congressional Hearings are not part of the Justice Department.

How EXACTLY did his hearings corrupt the courts?

The Bork nomination was before the senate the democrats went after him personally and he was rejected though qualified. They went after Thomas too in the same way (Thomas was barely qualified given his age and experience he could have been rejected for those reasons) It’s the addition of the personal and not just his legal mind that has corrupted the system.

I do think they have a point but conversely I believe Bork was replaced by Kennedy and that Justice did more for the gay community that any other so I’m glad Bork was rejected but we have paid a price.

 

[Norri]

IF Americans aren't horrified at this point...nothing will bring them around.

And the rest of the world is horrified that America is sliding into a fascist autocracy that will burn the rest of the world down.

I am comforted by the fact that this time Biden has the power not Trump…..he had his chance but didn’t have the balls to follow through. He won’t get a second bite at that apple.

 

[TX-Beau]

I am comforted by the fact that this time Biden has the power not Trump…..he had his chance but didn’t have the balls to follow through. He won’t get a second bite at that apple.

Every time the opportunity arises, I like to ask the Trogs I know - who all called Pence a coward and a traitor - if Kamala now has the power to choose which electors can vote. They generally come back with some variation of "she's not really elected," but watching the train wreck happen before that is fun.

You'd think that would get old.

Toad didn't lack the balls; he lacked the intellect to hire competent staff.

Seriously, I think that Toad's mental illnesses preclude any kind of competence that might reflect well on the minion or badly on him. In effect, he can't hire "winners" because that would make him look like a loser,